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Liquid`Drone
Norway28909 Posts
also blind people cant read the internet so its impossible to directly offend anyone when making fun of them here. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On May 24 2009 07:53 MoltkeWarding wrote: Why is torture, about the actual circumstances of which we know little or nothing, a serious subject when punching blind ladies http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93884 is funny? one's about a deeply offensive policy that can shape the future and the other is a random act of violence | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On May 24 2009 07:57 Liquid`Drone wrote: because blindness is a hilarious disability, i mean lol they use dogs for guidance when its supposed to be the other way around ha ha also blind people cant read the internet so its impossible to directly offend anyone when making fun of them here. HEY BLIND PEOPLE YOU SUCK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T READ THIS! | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
But it isn't. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On May 24 2009 08:24 DeathSpank wrote: HEY BLIND PEOPLE YOU SUCK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T READ THIS! Boy will your face be red when the newest TL feature turns out to be BrailleLiquid. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
If you take it as given that the USA should be the world policeman, imposing our culture and politics, getting involved in entangling alliances, and nation building... then yeah, in order to do so efficiently whilst protecting ourselves, we need to implement otherwise-unacceptable interrogation techniques. Torture, sure. Our own citizens must also come under strict control, ie, the Patriot Act and all similar legislation, throwing away individualism and becoming a Citizen of the Nation above any other instition, giving ourselves entirely to the government's mercy. From the years I've been on this forum, and from reading I've done, I know this doesn't sound too bad to Europeans. But this amount of central control is unprecedented in America, and our liberty, our defining excellence, is diminished. We're kind of fucked. Both Republicans and Democrats advocate excessive foreign intervention, strict domestic control, and insane spending. What most of the populace fails to realize: we have a two-headed, one-party system. There is no real political competition, and when an inkling of competition arises, the "two parties" unite to disenfranchise them, eliminating public exposure. The media is complicit in this crime. Tuning into major media outlets, the American Citizen is distracted with non-issues, while the Federal Reserve prints money non-stop, un-checked inflating to desperately lower interest rates, encouraging malinvestments, and destroying our economy. There was no real opposition to the ridiculous bailouts, and the entire procedure was disgusting; watching our legislature suck lobbyist cock, capitulating only to pork to appease special interests lobbyists, and ignoring the will of their constituency. The problem is what I first mentioned: we need to drastically scale back our global involvement. Aegraen has already identified himself as a non-interventionist (in another thread). If non-interventionism was embraced, we would not have to deal with this shit in the first place. I disagree with the notion that "they hate our freedom" or that they are attacking us because their religion tells them too. They hate us because we are imposing on them. We need to gtfo. But just as strongly as I believe that, if the nation insists on maintaining intervention and nation building, then the consequence is necessarily to torture our enemies, and oppress the citizenry. That's the reality of the situation. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On May 24 2009 10:57 DeathSpank wrote: protip: if you can bite the cloth on your mouth and suck on it you will last much longer. I think you're not getting the principle of drowning here, sucking on the cloth is not gonna prevent the fact that you will need to breathe eventually, and when you do it will be mostly water, which is called drowning. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On May 24 2009 11:19 Frits wrote: I think you're not getting the principle of drowning here, sucking on the cloth is not gonna prevent the fact that you will need to breathe eventually, and when you do it will be mostly water, which is called drowning. no you see you suck on the cloth when they pour the water on you then you breath right after. I just did it like an hour ago it makes it a little bit more tolerable | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28909 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On May 24 2009 08:49 HeadBangaa wrote: My 2 cents: If you take it as given that the USA should be the world policeman, imposing our culture and politics, getting involved in entangling alliances, and nation building... then yeah, in order to do so efficiently whilst protecting ourselves, we need to implement otherwise-unacceptable interrogation techniques. Torture, sure. Our own citizens must also come under strict control, ie, the Patriot Act and all similar legislation, throwing away individualism and becoming a Citizen of the Nation above any other instition, giving ourselves entirely to the government's mercy. From the years I've been on this forum, and from reading I've done, I know this doesn't sound too bad to Europeans. But this amount of central control is unprecedented in America, and our liberty, our defining excellence, is diminished. We're kind of fucked. Both Republicans and Democrats advocate excessive foreign intervention, strict domestic control, and insane spending. What most of the populace fails to realize: we have a two-headed, one-party system. There is no real political competition, and when an inkling of competition arises, the "two parties" unite to disenfranchise them, eliminating public exposure. The media is complicit in this crime. Tuning into major media outlets, the American Citizen is distracted with non-issues, while the Federal Reserve prints money non-stop, un-checked inflating to desperately lower interest rates, encouraging malinvestments, and destroying our economy. There was no real opposition to the ridiculous bailouts, and the entire procedure was disgusting; watching our legislature suck lobbyist cock, capitulating only to pork to appease special interests lobbyists, and ignoring the will of their constituency. The problem is what I first mentioned: we need to drastically scale back our global involvement. Aegraen has already identified himself as a non-interventionist (in another thread). If non-interventionism was embraced, we would not have to deal with this shit in the first place. I disagree with the notion that "they hate our freedom" or that they are attacking us because their religion tells them too. They hate us because we are imposing on them. We need to gtfo. But just as strongly as I believe that, if the nation insists on maintaining intervention and nation building, then the consequence is necessarily to torture our enemies, and oppress the citizenry. That's the reality of the situation. Necessary? Well, I don't mind what format torture is argued on whether it is morals or practicality, it ends up losing either way. First, from what has been revealed so far this "necessary" torture has not been useful. Legal interrogation has. Then there is the problem of explaining the necessity of waterboarding a few of these guys a couple hundred times after they've already spilled everything already. Then there is the problem that this is a huge blow to our political objectives in the places we are fighting wars, as well as other areas. Looking like nazi's isn't going to help us when we try to get the cooperation of Iraqis or Afghans. And we absolutely need their cooperation to succeed, since it isn't really a matter of military. We either have enough of them cooperate, which will require a lot, or... we kill every single one of them with bombs? On every level it is not pragmatic. I accuse you of watching 24. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On May 24 2009 11:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: you waterboarded yourself like an hour ago? yea it sorta sucked | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
christ, maybe it really isnt torture after all | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 24 2009 11:30 Servolisk wrote: Necessary? Well, I don't mind what format torture is argued on whether it is morals or practicality, it ends up losing either way. First, from what has been revealed so far this "necessary" torture has not been useful. Legal interrogation has. Then there is the problem of explaining the necessity of waterboarding a few of these guys a couple hundred times after they've already spilled everything already. Then there is the problem that this is a huge blow to our political objectives in the places we are fighting wars, as well as other areas. Looking like nazi's isn't going to help us when we try to get the cooperation of Iraqis or Afghans. And we absolutely need their cooperation to succeed, since it isn't really a matter of military. We either have enough of them cooperate, which will require a lot, or... we kill every single one of them with bombs? On every level it is not pragmatic. Well said, sir. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 24 2009 11:33 Frits wrote: looks like waterboarding is the new 'in' thing right now, someone did it on dutch tv as well pretty recently christ, maybe it really isnt torture after all Hey Frits, I sent you a PM about the locked thread on the old man who pushed the suicide jumper: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93920 Took me a while to write it, so you better read it :p | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28909 Posts
On May 24 2009 11:33 Frits wrote: looks like waterboarding is the new 'in' thing right now, someone did it on dutch tv as well pretty recently christ, maybe it really isnt torture after all there was a norwegian who pulled out his own toenail on tv | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
Don't you think it would be different if someone else was pouring the water on though? And they seem to hold the cloth pretty tight over the person's mouth so I don't think you could bite it, I might be wrong though. | ||
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