EPTAbu Jandal's guards were so intimidated by him, they wore masks to hide their identities and begged visitors not to refer to them by name in his presence. He had no intention of cooperating with the Americans; at their first meetings, he refused even to look at them and ranted about the evils of the West. Far from confirming al-Qaeda's involvement in 9/11, he insisted the attacks had been orchestrated by Israel's Mossad. While Abu Jandal was venting his spleen, Soufan noticed that he didn't touch any of the cookies that had been served with tea: "He was a diabetic and couldn't eat anything with sugar in it." At their next meeting, the Americans brought him some sugar-free cookies, a gesture that took the edge off Abu Jandal's angry demeanor. "We had showed him respect, and we had done this nice thing for him," Soufan recalls. "So he started talking to us instead of giving us lectures."
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Warrior Madness
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On May 30 2009 06:59 Archerofaiur wrote: YAAAAHHH What so wrong with just alil torture? Like if we promise to only torture people if they really deserve it. I like your wording. Too bad it ain't mine. It's not a matter of whether they "deserve" it or not. It's whether or not it's morally justified to use waterboarding if we have good grounds for doing so. I'd say "they" have done a pretty good job so far of judging when to use waterboarding and on who. Especially considering the fact that, only three detainees have been waterboarded so far (It's been six years since any detainee has been waterboarded). And above all, they got the critical information out of Mohammed and his two chiefs needed to foil a terrorist plot in LA. You dont torture. Period. Not if there is a war. Not if there is a nuke in new york city. Not after a nuke has gone off in new york city. You dont torture. I can't tell whether your being sarcastic or not. | ||
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Archerofaiur
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On May 30 2009 10:35 Warrior Madness wrote: It's whether or not it's morally justified to use waterboarding if we have good grounds for doing so. It is never morally justified to torture. There is a reason that the international anti-torture laws don't say "You can't torture...unless you have a really good reason." And see heres the other thing. Its hard to show how this happens cause it takes place over a long period of time. But when you become a nation that tortures you lose something. And that something is more important then your life or mine or all of New York city. | ||
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