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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
May 23 2009 20:25 GMT
#161
The mods are letting a discussion happen. If you're quitting because some moran didn't get banned for contributing his view on the matter then...

bye lol
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 20:45:30
May 23 2009 20:27 GMT
#162
Haha Biff your post is kind of ironic because your attitude there is exactly the mindset that leads to close mindedness. Don't be such a drama queen, you'll be back tomorrow.
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
May 23 2009 20:32 GMT
#163
can you just hold your breath before the water hits you?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28781 Posts
May 23 2009 20:38 GMT
#164
goodbye biff. there are some retarded posts in this thread but I can't take part of a topic and then ban people who disagree with me, that should not be very hard to understand.
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 23 2009 20:41 GMT
#165
On May 24 2009 05:32 bdams19 wrote:
can you just hold your breath before the water hits you?


That's what they do, but you gotta breathe sometime, which is when you start breathing water and people start shaking violently. They can just keep pouring forrever, they probably use a hose in real torture scenarios and are holding the dude down with chains and shit.
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
May 23 2009 20:45 GMT
#166
Wow, that really sux.
The Prince of DroneS
axle135
Profile Joined December 2008
33 Posts
May 23 2009 20:49 GMT
#167
What these guys did is something that takes a form of idiocy and stubbornness, but also is something that they should be highly commended for doing.

It's not something most people would be willing to do. Not because it's a waste of tiem, as some might claim, but because of pure, possibly subconscious fear.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 23 2009 20:53 GMT
#168
On May 24 2009 05:32 bdams19 wrote:
can you just hold your breath before the water hits you?

No. Your feet are on a higher level than your head, and water is being poured down your nose. Holding your breath won't prevent water from entering your nostrils, and by then you're starting to drown. You reflexively gasp for air, your heart starts beating quickly, the oxygen supply in your lungs is exhausted, and when you try to breath all that comes in is water. And by then you feel like you're drowning and you start to freak out and panic, only your hands and your legs are tied. It's not nice.

On May 24 2009 05:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
So basically, theses people have not been educated in a "free" country (I am quite sure I don't share your conception of freedom, because I don't see US as a free country at all but that's not the point...), so, as they are less civilized than you, they have to be tortured because "civilized" methods of interogations don't work with them.

You don't think the US is a free country? Then I'm guessing you must consider that at most 100 million people in the world live in a free country, and the other 5900 million live in some form of slavery. Sorry, I think your definition of a free country sucks.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
May 23 2009 20:54 GMT
#169
I have to hand it to this guy though. It takes guts to try it yourself and then admit you are wrong..
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 23 2009 20:56 GMT
#170
On May 24 2009 05:49 axle135 wrote:
What these guys did is something that takes a form of idiocy and stubbornness, but also is something that they should be highly commended for doing.

It's not something most people would be willing to do. Not because it's a waste of tiem, as some might claim, but because of pure, possibly subconscious fear.

After watching those videos, there's no way in hell I'd accept to go through that. Mostly because it causes permanent psychological damage. I don't want to feel nauseous or dizzy when drinking a glass of water.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 23 2009 21:03 GMT
#171
i dont think they have any choice to NOT acknowledge that waterboarding = drowning. If the feeling is exactly the same, and your heart starts pumping and you fear for your life, no way could you be convinced otherwise.

nothing like IRL experience + hardwired fear + pain to end an argument.
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
May 23 2009 21:05 GMT
#172
On May 24 2009 05:54 EpiK wrote:
I have to hand it to this guy though. It takes guts to try it yourself and then admit you are wrong..


he is also a huge prick who accuses obama of being a secret muslim and howard dean of being a traitor amongst other things - so while this was handled well, he is overall quite an asshole.
:O
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
May 23 2009 21:44 GMT
#173
IF I was stupid enough to believe water boarding was not torture i would at least have done what they did to prove( or in this case disprove) my claims, they are no heroes, it is however kind of funny that they are discussing a technique So effective that it takes 5-10 seconds to get you talking.

TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
May 23 2009 21:49 GMT
#174
On May 24 2009 05:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2009 02:10 RoadTrippin wrote:
I can't believe people are still arguing on subjects like waterboarding. Waterboarding has been used on rare occasions on high-profile people ie, the mastermind of 9/11. With that said, the people we are fighting today in Iraq or Afghanistan are not patriotic normal citizen trying to protect their country. These people since birth saw their families die, saw their friends being blow apart, been told the American forces beheades their people. Their mentality towards life is completely different than those who has lived in a country that take their freedom for granted, ie US, and pretty much all the EUs. So the "conventional, socially accepted interrogating tactic" does not work obviously. Hell, these same people are the ones video taping American soldiers/hostages getting beheaded and putting their heads on its chest (and I'm sure no one has seen this thanks to the media) and their penis cut off and put inside their mouths. The amount of disrespect they have towards US is overwhelming, and yet the only thing the media puts on their show is about how an American soldier teaching a young Iraqi kid some bad words or not handing out candies from their god damn MREs. For fuck's sake, the people we are waterboarding are perfectly fine with beheading your mom, dad, brother, sister, or kid with a small steak knife and video taping it in the morning, and going to the church at 5:00pm that same day and praying to their God for hours on. And yet, the fact that we pour water over their head to making them "THINK" their drowning is so so horrible and demoralize all of what America stands for.. yeah..sure.

BTW here is a little example of the terrorists' own tactics.
WARNING: Viewer Discretion Advised DO NOT OPEN IF YOUR WEAK IN THE STOMACH
+ Show Spoiler +
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/047009.php

That's a beautiful post.

So basically, theses people have not been educated in a "free" country (I am quite sure I don't share your conception of freedom, because I don't see US as a free country at all but that's not the point...), so, as they are less civilized than you, they have to be tortured because "civilized" methods of interogations don't work with them.

You are a fucking moron.

Theses people are perfectly right to fight you. You fuck up the whole world, you invade countries, you exploit whole continents, you fuck up the ecosystem, you torture and assassinate people with your superior ballistic technology, you invade the world with your messianic bullshit about democracy and freedom, your impose free-market to countries who don't want it in order to exploit them through your multinationales, you flood the planet with your disgusting mercantil sub-culture, but you are right, you are the most civilized.

I'm fed up with all this neo-fascist imperialist bullshit. What the fuck are doing the mods on this website? Is it trendy to promote torture here?

That's my fucking last post here, I'm leaving teamliquid.



You guys are not even talking abuot waterboarding. You guys are having a debate about cultural stereotypes. The debate about waterboarding should be the same if we were talking about waterboarding a bunch of Scottish people. These kind sidebars is why what is a seemingly simple issue is even a debate in the first place.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
May 23 2009 22:03 GMT
#175
i vote we ignore biff's post. it is laughably one-sided and will only help to derail the topic into a whole lot of flaming.
:O
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
May 23 2009 22:14 GMT
#176
Voting to ignore something is incidentally a vote against its own purpose.
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
May 23 2009 22:18 GMT
#177
On May 24 2009 05:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's my fucking last post here, I'm leaving teamliquid.

People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
May 23 2009 22:26 GMT
#178
On May 24 2009 07:14 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Voting to ignore something is incidentally a vote against its own purpose.


thanks moltke

I VOTE TO NOT MENTION IT FROM HERE ON OUT

what would we do without you moltke?

ok moving on
:O
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
May 23 2009 22:33 GMT
#179
i vote to ignore all local laws. I shall also ignore the laws of physics as well. From now on I am naked and flying into banks across the country to take all of the money which is rightfully mine.
yes.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
May 23 2009 22:53 GMT
#180
Why is torture, about the actual circumstances of which we know little or nothing, a serious subject when punching blind ladies http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93884 is funny?
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