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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Sorry Alpine, you're too fucking irresponsible and lazy to be treated for kidney stones. Gl brutha. Stories about 8 hour waits in emergency rooms because people have colds is fucking stupid. We have common sense and it goes by the necessity seriousness. If you're a moron that goes to the emergency room with a cold then yes, that moron will wait 8 hours because they dont need to be there. Other than that it's just American ignorance =\ Oh and walk-in clinics have doctors. dont know what the fuck your talking about. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On May 02 2009 04:47 MiniRoman wrote: I love the American mentality of blaming the poor for being poor. Sorry Alpine, you're too fucking irresponsible and lazy to be treated for kidney stones. Gl brutha. Stories about 8 hour waits in emergency rooms because people have colds is fucking stupid. We have common sense and it goes by the necessity seriousness. If you're a moron that goes to the emergency room with a cold then yes, that moron will wait 8 hours because they dont need to be there. Other than that it's just American ignorance =\ Erm, a large collection of people(in this case you're referring to an entire nation), regardless of race, nationality, or however else you want to divvy it up by NEVER have "common sense" as a whole. I'd like to caution you against lumping what you read into as "American ignorance" - it makes you just as bad as the individuals you're trying to generalize. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On May 02 2009 04:56 rushz0rz wrote: i am fucking terrified of kidney stones now. thanks. Haha... my Dad had them once, too small to warrant an operation, but large enough to make him scream when they had to pass. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On May 02 2009 04:47 MiniRoman wrote: I love the American mentality of blaming the poor for being poor. Sorry Alpine, you're too fucking irresponsible and lazy to be treated for kidney stones. Gl brutha. Stories about 8 hour waits in emergency rooms because people have colds is fucking stupid. We have common sense and it goes by the necessity seriousness. If you're a moron that goes to the emergency room with a cold then yes, that moron will wait 8 hours because they dont need to be there. Other than that it's just American ignorance =\ Oh and walk-in clinics have doctors. dont know what the fuck your talking about. Interestingly, Canadians above the poverty line (20k/yr) pay an avergae of about $1000/year in income taxes to cover nationalized health care. Much more than the average PPO insured American. :p | ||
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SuBlue
United States59 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
 Hopefully that's the last of them...? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32098 Posts
This thread is painnnnnnnnn Op update yet?? WELL I'M QUITE THE OBLIVIOUS ONE TODAY EH | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:03 Hawk wrote: My dick hurts from the picture of the hell stone, and my brain hurts from some absurd comments. This thread is painnnnnnnnn Op update yet?? /facepalm Look two posts above yours. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
On May 02 2009 06:31 HeadBangaa wrote: Interestingly, Canadians above the poverty line (20k/yr) pay an avergae of about $1000/year in income taxes to cover nationalized health care. Much more than the average PPO insured American. :p taxes overall or is that the part which goes directly to the healthcare? But man, this thread reminded me of something really horible. In amazon or somewhere there, there are these fish, which can swim trough the stream of your piss right into your dick. Then they lodge theirselves there with spikes or something ; Man i hope i won't ever get kidnet stones | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:35 MuR)Ernu wrote: taxes overall or is that the part which goes directly to the healthcare? But man, this thread reminded me of something really horible. In amazon or somewhere there, there are these fish, which can swim trough the stream of your piss right into your dick. Then they lodge theirselves there with spikes or something ; Man i hope i won't ever get kidnet stones now those fish are really nasty indeed, but from what i read on wikipedia they have never swum through the stream of piss. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
In the US it could take you 5 hours EASILY waiting in the ER to be checked out, it will be another 2-3 hours till they let you out. If you want to see a doctor, you need an appointment. If it's urgent then your fucking doctor is of no use, because you will end up in the ER no matter what. There are multiple cases of patients DYING waiting for hours to be checked out. The concept that medicare is just like another utility bill is a complete failure. No doctor( or medical personnel) should be ever allowed to turn off the patient if he needs help. It is against the very nature of medicine. If you think otherwise - you are not worthy of calling yourself human. People should be able to afford 80$ a month? Wake the fuck up, look around yourself. If you didn't go to college and working shitty jobs, got laid off or just happen to be in a fucked up situation most likely you are not going to be able to afford it. In addition to this some people have kids, get in accidents, get sick with something that is not included in their insurance plan. You are neglecting all the circumstances and telling me that they not supposed to get decent help even if they need it. That's beyond shallow. Also, things that you are suggesting will never work. If people are tight on their budget and relatively healthy they WILL NOT get insurance, just because it is a part of a HUMAN NATURE. Most people don't think of what's going to happen tomorrow if a brick falls on their head of if they catch a swine flu. Saying that they should is like saying that everyone should be nice to each other, it's just another utopia. That's why "foreign" countries regulate health care including its cost into taxes. It is done to give everyone an equal opportunity to be healthy, not reject someone on the basis of his income or financial situation or just being a fool for not getting insurance. US health system offers better care then countries that regulate it? This is a load of shit, just NOT TRUE. | ||
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piskooooo
United States351 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
You apparently don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On May 02 2009 11:11 HeadBangaa wrote: Doctors can't legally turn people away who require medical help. They will loan you the money, or do it pro bono. The OP must have turned down the cost; that's not the same as being turned away. You apparently don't know what you're talking about. This is it? Everything else is legit? You could've tried to argue your point some. They will do a check up and help you in critical condition sure. You will owe 1k for a simple test at a hospital which you will never pay off and ruin your credit history. You are the one that has no idea about it. Look around yourself, all the people complaining must be imagining things. They won't operate on your kidney stone if it's not passing. See the difference? It's a fluke. | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
The quality of care provided in the US is very high if you can afford it. I believe that most people can afford health care insurance if they believe this is important (even if its not the most comprehensive package, it should still cover the most emergent medical care). In New Zealand public health care is free, but there are long waiting lists, and just an overall lack of funding to this sector. Incidentally people take health care for granted and this really irritates me. I'm sure they believe they pay enough taxes to feel that they can treat the hospital like a hotel. Which system is best? I don't know. "No doctor( or medical personnel) should be ever allowed to turn off the patient if he needs help. It is against the very nature of medicine. If you think otherwise - you are not worthy of calling yourself human." They shouldn't be able to refuse anyone requiring urgent medical help, but to suggest that they should attend to anyone who seeks medical attention is ludicrous. I can't imagine my mechanic offering to fix my car for free and I'm sure you can't imagine working for free either. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm A Report by the Institute of Medicine to Congress March 11, 2009 only 10 pages worth the read. http://iom.edu/Object.File/Master/64/230/Ayanian IOM Ways and Means Testimony 3-11-09.pdf excerpt "The principal cause of declining rates of private health insurance coverage is the ever-rising cost of health care. Between 1999 and 2008, family health insurance premiums rose 119 percent, more than triple the 34 percent increase in workers’ earnings in the same time period" | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On May 02 2009 12:08 FirstProbe wrote: They shouldn't be able to refuse anyone requiring urgent medical help, but to suggest that they should attend to anyone who seeks medical attention is ludicrous. I can't imagine my mechanic offering to fix my car for free and I'm sure you can't imagine working for free either. If we talking free medicare then it is free no matter what, what's the use of it if you only kept alive but cannot get help otherwise without spending a lot of money. Also it doesn't quite compare to mechanic fixing your car, if medicare is funded through taxation then government is the one paying you money with the patients taxes. Government doesn't have an auto repair tax to pay the mechanic. | ||
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