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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:17 H wrote: haha, man you are fucking stupid take a look at what you just wrote Yeah, the irony is very thick in food's post. Personally, I don't think a school deserves to be sued because some kids picked on another kid. Sue the people that did it, bud. Perhaps for denying the 'gay' club, but I'm not sure about that either. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Fucking idiotic administrators. ;o | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:14 ktp wrote: You make a good point, but wouldn't denying the student body a gay straight alliance bring more exposure to the situtation? If they allowed the club to be formed, then only its members and their friends would know about it and attend it. However, the school denied it, and how they are being sued. So anyone who didn't know about this would now certaintly be exposed it now that its big news. I know when I was high school, there was a lot of stuff I should have never been exposed too, but somehow I ended up hearing about them only being the adminstration was trying to "protect" the students. well schools dont have to allow everything, right? If i have my own fetish and a group of people with same ideals that supports me, do we get to have an official community? Do we get media attention every time we denied just because it violates our rights? Schools should not be involved into any of this, i dont understand why it has to be OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED like they cant do their thing without dragging officials into it? | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:23 food wrote: you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways? Well, it's pretty common for a group with a common thread that doesn't run through the majority of the students to form a club. If the students were 50/50 gay/straight, you'd have a point. When they're 10/1000 gay/straight, I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things. I don't see any logical flaw there, nor do I think this conversation really needs to be on some seriously logical level of formulated points where if a then b. Does a starcraft club strive for attention? Maybe not everyone should have starcraft shoved in their face like that, starcraft isn't for everyone and you could get easily swayed teens who normally would never touch starcraft to suddenly identify themselves as starcraft players! I'm sure some would love a "White Males Unite!" club, but unless you're growing up in the inner city, chances are you really don't need one. Edit: upon rereading your post... On April 11 2009 14:23 food wrote: They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. You've got problems, friend. Gays should be the least of your worries at this point. Maybe you don't see it right now, but come reread this in a day or two and see how horrifically prejudiced what you're posting is. | ||
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x89titan
Philippines1130 Posts
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:32 Trumpet wrote: Well, it's pretty common for a group with a common thread that doesn't run through the majority of the students to form a club. If the students were 50/50 gay/straight, you'd have a point. When they're 10/1000 gay/straight, I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things. I don't see any logical flaw there, nor do I think this conversation really needs to be on some seriously logical level of formulated points where if a then b. Does a starcraft club strive for attention? Maybe not everyone should have starcraft shoved in their face like that, starcraft isn't for everyone and you could get easily swayed teens who normally would never touch starcraft to suddenly identify themselves as starcraft players! what kind of official recognition do you think a "club" has? You can play starcraft and never get official recognition from the school board as a "club" or "alliance", would anyone really sue school for doing this? Plus having an openly gay community at your school will have some consequences that starcraft community wont. Like it or not, you are living in a traditional society, most parents would not want schools exposing their children to the very idea of sexual diversity. Its just not the right place to do it, like i said 3 times by now, school shouldnt be involved into any of this. No one prohibits gay meetings right? They can do it on their own time | ||
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toopham
United States551 Posts
On April 11 2009 13:26 Valentine wrote: Don't worry, I kinda giggled when I read what you wrote. <3 well if you're not charles then are you gay? cuz thats the gayest thing you said. "giggle" what a fruity bastard. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:32 Trumpet wrote: Edit: upon rereading your post... You've got problems, friend. Gays should be the least of your worries at this point. Maybe you don't see it right now, but come reread this in a day or two and see how horrifically prejudiced what you're posting is. im not your friend thats for sure  we are not talking about me. I also stated that IN MY OPINION gays love the scandal, im not hiding the fact that im not supporting the whole "gay rights" movement. So pointing this out for me is kind of pointless | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
I'm not being a dick, if you're pulling from surveys or studies or something I want to know. | ||
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Kennelie
United States2296 Posts
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eekmice
United States373 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:32 x89titan wrote: maybe they denied it cuz they couldnt get a teacher to become their advisor? or something? ye i dont think the school should be sued. minorities have to go thru the same thing we had to go thru wen we were minorities. its only fair. So black people have to endure racist treatment now because they were treated like shit 50 years ago? Get real. | ||
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:41 food wrote: what kind of official recognition do you think a "club" has? You can play starcraft and never get official recognition from the school board as a "club" or "alliance", would anyone really sue school for doing this? Plus having an openly gay community at your school will have some consequences that starcraft community wont. Like it or not, you are living in a traditional society, most parents would not want schools exposing their children to the very idea of sexual diversity. Its just not the right place to do it, like i said 3 times by now, school shouldnt be involved into any of this. No one prohibits gay meetings right? They can do it on their own time I haven't encountered someone who gets dumber by each post they make... Reread all your posts and try to find a coherent thought in it please. | ||
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gchan
United States654 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:43 toopham wrote: well if you're not charles then are you gay? cuz thats the gayest thing you said. "giggle" what a fruity bastard. Fuck, I didnt mean to say giggle. I meant to say "muscle cars and shit". On April 11 2009 14:32 x89titan wrote: maybe they denied it cuz they couldnt get a teacher to become their advisor? or something? ye i dont think the school should be sued. minorities have to go thru the same thing we had to go thru wen we were minorities. its only fair. Well, since I go to this school, I can say that there is definately alot of teachers who would be supporting this club if it were created o__o;; Also, this is in Northern New York, if anyone was wondering. On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it. It's basically a fancy way of saying that it's a group of people (club) involved in supporting the homosexual community, such as from the bullying etc that goes on in school. You don't have to be gay to join, but that's what the clubs activities would be centered around. I guess "gay club" just doesn't have the same pleasing ring to it, haha. | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
edit: he answered my question in the response above, the answer was no so I don't understand | ||
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StrikeFLOW
United States369 Posts
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves. I am a teenager. And I take psychology on the college level. And thus, I know of Piaget's theory on cognitive development. Piaget argues that adolescents aged 12 years (puberty) and beyond are of the "Formal Operational Stage" To quote wikipedia: The formal operational period is the fourth and final of the periods of cognitive development in Piaget's theory. This stage, which follows the Concrete Operational stage, commences at around 12 years of age (puberty) and continues into adulthood. It is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly, reason logically and draw conclusions from the information available, as well as apply all these processes to hypothetical situations. During this stage the young adult is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", logical proofs, and values. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On April 11 2009 15:18 Beside_kr wrote: Certainly if they set the precedent that a christian bible studies group was allowed, what could their argument possibly be against a GSA club? Unless it is indeed that they could not get a teacher to supervise. Do you know if that is the case Valentine? edit: he answered my question in the response above, the answer was no so I don't understand Here's a quote from an article from WWNYTV I originally printed out when I read. She was turned down by the principal and assistant principal, who said such a club would bother parents and students I find this pretty suprizing actually, because although Decker (principal) is an asshole, Brown (assistant principal) would definately be the kind of person to support this. I don't have any quotes exactly from them, but there will be more as the lawsuit continues =/ | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 11 2009 15:00 Lycaeus wrote: I haven't encountered someone who gets dumber by each post they make... Reread all your posts and try to find a coherent thought in it please. Here's the definition of a gay alliance given by trumpet, which is probably pretty accurate "I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things." If you willing to debate this, go ahead, maybe there's a different purpose So what is "gay" and "people interested in gay related things"? Its clearly a sexual preference and people interested in establishing some kind of relationship with individuals of the same sexual preference. The whole thing revolves around sexual choice of a certain group of people, which is striving to get an official recognition from the school board( i would assume). Now explain, why should school consistently recognize someones sexual preference and specifically allow them to have their own "alliance" on official level? Do you really compare "gay people" to ethnic minorities like some retard did earlier? To be recognized officially, a "club" should have something like an outlined purpose or concept behind it. If you want school to officially recognize some ethnic minority, its one thing. Their purpose would be outlined along the lines of "maintaining tradition, studying culture" etc. If you want school to officially recognize a sexual preference, what would be the idea behind it? Place where gay people could do their gay related things? Why does ANY school has to recognize it? | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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