As a student at Indian River High School, Charles P. Pratt says, he was called names, pushed into walls, mocked and often threatened because he is gay.
Other students threw food at him, his locker was vandalized and he was spit on, he said.
When he told teachers and administrators, they "weren't willing to do much," said Mr. Pratt, 20. "There wasn't a whole lot of support behind me. I felt like I didn't really belong there."
When he tried to start a Gay-Straight Alliance at the school in 2004, he said, administrators denied his request.
Ashley and Charles
"It was really important to us because it would bring a more supportive environment to school," Mr. Pratt said. "They told us no because they said it would make parents mad. I was disgusted at that answer. It didn't make any sense to me."
Soon after that, Mr. Pratt, then 15, dropped out of school because the harassment was so intense, he said.
Earlier this year, when Mr. Pratt's sister, Ashley E. Petranchuk, 15, approached her principals about starting the same club, she got the same answer her brother received years before.
It was then that Mr. Pratt and Miss Petranchuk decided to contact Lambda Legal, a national organization that defends the rights of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
A federal antigay bias lawsuit was filed Wednesday against Indian River Central School District and several staff and former staff members on behalf of both of them.
Mr. Pratt is suing for unspecified damages and Lambda Legal has informed the school that it will file an injunction on behalf of Miss Petranchuk on Wednesday if the district does not allow her to form the Gay-Straight Alliance before that deadline.
Named as defendants in the lawsuit are James Kettrick, who was high school principal during Mr. Pratt's time there and is now the district's superintendent; Troy W. Decker, principal at the school, Jay Brown, assistant principal, John Davis, former assistant principal, and three cafeteria monitors.
According to the lawsuit, Mr. Kettrick was aware of the harassment but "displayed utter and willful indifference to it."
"School district employees were aware of the rampant antigay and sexist harassment on campus but deliberately refused to undertake even the most basic corrective or remedial measures, despite these employees' clear authority and ability to do so," the suit reads. "Instead, staff members at the Indian River High School whose very job it was to monitor and supervise student behavior in the cafeteria frequently joined in on the harassment, ridiculing Charlie with stereotypically effeminate gestures in front of other students and telling Charlie he was 'disgusting' and 'shouldn't be gay.'"
According to the suit, Mr. Kettrick's actions were blatantly discriminatory and he showed "callous indifference" when he suggested Mr. Pratt "tone it down" and said his safety could not be guaranteed.
Michael D.B. Kavey, attorney for Lambda Legal, said it's illegal for schools to deny certain groups when they allow other, similar groups.
"The school can't bar anyone from forming a group like this, the law is clear on that," Mr. Kavey said. "When schools already have other extracurricular groups that they allow, they can't discriminate against particular students just because they don't like the idea behind the club. There are federal statutes, the federal constitution and courts all over the country that have ruled for Gay-Straight Alliances. They can't discriminate."
Miss Petranchuk said she wanted to start the group because she saw what her brother went through while he was there.
"I've wanted to do this since between seventh and eighth grade," she said. "I feel this cause is very important because of what I saw my brother face. The school should be a safe environment."
In a 2006 article in The Times, Mr. Pratt spoke similarly about the discrimination and harassment he faced.
Mr. Kettrick was unavailable for comment Wednesday, but in 2006 he responded to Mr. Pratt's allegations by saying, "The atmosphere of harassment that they say exists simply does not. Students of alternative lifestyles can get along with other students in all north country schools."
District Business Manager James R. Koch said Wednesday that the district received the paperwork related to the suit earlier that day and will review it with its attorney, Marc H. Reitz, of Ferrara, Fiorenza, Larrison, Barrett & Reitz P.C., East Syracuse. Mr. Reitz did not return phone calls to the firm Wednesday.
Nothing exciting ever happens up here, so this is pretty big. What do you think? ' -'a
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
/facepalm
Nevermind.
Don't worry, I kinda giggled when I read what you wrote.
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
We have a gay-straight alliance at our school, pretty chill actually. It's terrible to hear someone treated that way, hope the school gets what they deserve.
Edit: misread the OP, and I agree that he should do something about it. My original post is below ...
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Should the school do something about it? Sure. Should you sue everytime against anything that doesn't work out in your favour? Maybe in the US. I mean c'mon let's hear the court cases of obese discrimination, sexism at prep school, eye-sight-correction-devices-bearer discrimination and what-not. The dude has every right to choose and live his sexuality, but he should've done something about it then. And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later. His name is prat though, so errr ...
imo if queers sneak around not advertising the lifestyle i can accept that to some extent. But official gay unions at school? Id never accept this shit
On April 11 2009 13:34 Sirakor wrote: Should the school do something about it? Sure. Should you sue everytime against anything that doesn't work out in your favour? Maybe in the US. I mean c'mon let's hear the court cases of obese discrimination, sexism at prep school, eye-sight-correction-devices-bearer discrimination and what-not. The dude has every right to choose and live his sexuality, but he should've done something about it then. And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later. His name is prat though, so errr ...
Well, the truth is that it was his sister who pretty much revived the issue. After he had already dropped out, when she got to the high school she tried to create a Gay-Straight alliance on her own, and was turned down as well, which caused them both to think about it again. I understand how you think it isn't a big deal, and I kind of agree that it should have been solved before, but fact being that nothing had happened for long enough, it's about time someone stepped up the situation.
But that's just my two cents ' -'a
On April 11 2009 13:35 food wrote: imo if queers sneak around not advertising the lifestyle i can accept that to some extent. But official gay unions at school? Id never accept this shit
I really don't care much for the idea of creating a club for it, but the main argument being that if students are allowed to form something that not everyone would support (christian bible club, which exists in our school) then they should be allowed to as well. The problem is where they draw the line on how far you can go.
On April 11 2009 13:34 Sirakor wrote: And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later.
His sister is 15 and attends the same high school. The high school denied her requests to make a gay-straight alliance club.
On April 11 2009 13:34 Sirakor wrote: Should the school do something about it? Sure. Should you sue everytime against anything that doesn't work out in your favour? Maybe in the US. I mean c'mon let's hear the court cases of obese discrimination, sexism at prep school, eye-sight-correction-devices-bearer discrimination and what-not. The dude has every right to choose and live his sexuality, but he should've done something about it then. And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later. His name is prat though, so errr ...
Well, the truth is that it was his sister who pretty much revived the issue. After he had already dropped out, when she got to the high school she tried to create a Gay-Straight alliance on her own, and was turned down as well, which caused them both to think about it again. I understand how you think it isn't a big deal, and I kind of agree that it should have been solved before, but fact being that nothing had happened for long enough, it's about time someone stepped up the situation.
But that's just my two cents ' -'a
Oh sorry, I must've overlooked that part in the OP. I was under the impression that it was a 2004 incident that they try to bring to court now. I he tried then and failed, and the school still hasnt learned the lesson, then I agree that something should definitely happen. Now whether it's then the wisest and also most efficient choice to sue, I'm not so sure. I can't judge what they have tried and what they haven't, but surely leading people to understand the issue is better than to have them bend (and internally resist the more) to force? Anyways, if they have tried and see no other way out then it's only fair enough. I just have this presumption that taking things to court is sometimes a bit too fashionable these days ...
On April 11 2009 13:34 Sirakor wrote: Should the school do something about it? Sure. Should you sue everytime against anything that doesn't work out in your favour? Maybe in the US. I mean c'mon let's hear the court cases of obese discrimination, sexism at prep school, eye-sight-correction-devices-bearer discrimination and what-not. The dude has every right to choose and live his sexuality, but he should've done something about it then. And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later. His name is prat though, so errr ...
Well, the truth is that it was his sister who pretty much revived the issue. After he had already dropped out, when she got to the high school she tried to create a Gay-Straight alliance on her own, and was turned down as well, which caused them both to think about it again. I understand how you think it isn't a big deal, and I kind of agree that it should have been solved before, but fact being that nothing had happened for long enough, it's about time someone stepped up the situation.
But that's just my two cents ' -'a
Oh sorry, I must've overlooked that part in the OP. I was under the impression that it was a 2004 incident that they try to bring to court now. I he tried then and failed, and the school still hasnt learned the lesson, then I agree that something should definitely happen. Now whether it's then the wisest and also most efficient choice to sue, I'm not so sure. I can't judge what they have tried and what they haven't, but surely leading people to understand the issue is better than to have them bend (and internally resist the more) to force? Anyways, if they have tried and see no other way out then it's only fair enough. I just have this presumption that taking things to court is sometimes a bit too fashionable these days ...
In any case, its odd that the school denied the request to establish the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).
Schools without a GSA-esque club are definitely in the minority in Southern California.
On April 11 2009 13:47 StrikeFLOW wrote: In any case, its odd that the school denied the request to establish the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).
I agree. It would be interesting to know the reason for denying the request ...
Depends on the school how it operates... easy way to deny a club in my hs district is that the club doesn't have a teacher or teacher like staff member willing to supervise it and give us their room. Although that was easly overlooked if you knew the right teachers who would illegaly lend us their room for clubs and just leave but there was an understanding if we get caught we broke in
i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
There's a lot going on in this case. And I don't have the time or the interest to talk about every issue. But as to whether a school should be sued because students harrass a kid I say the answer should almost always be no.
Getting mocked in school is life. And no teacher or administrator can stop it completely. There'll always be bullies.
We don't know what happened yet. We only know what the guy is alleging. But, regarding what the students did (and I'm intentionally not discussing the alleged actions of any person with school authority), honestly, my moral outrage switch just isn't getting flipped. In fact, my initial reaction is"whiny baby; tons of geeks have dealt with worse."
On April 11 2009 14:10 Clasic wrote: I really don't like gays & that just my opinion, I think the school shouldn't be sued.
And what have gays done to you to warrant that? In other news, I really don't like you & that's just my opinion... see hating for pointless reason is utter stupidity.
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
You make a good point, but wouldn't denying the student body a gay straight alliance bring more exposure to the situtation? If they allowed the club to be formed, then only its members and their friends would know about it and attend it. However, the school denied it, and how they are being sued. So anyone who didn't know about this would now certaintly be exposed it now that its big news. I know when I was high school, there was a lot of stuff I should have never been exposed too, but somehow I ended up hearing about them only being the adminstration was trying to "protect" the students.
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways?
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
haha, man you are fucking stupid
take a look at what you just wrote
Yeah, the irony is very thick in food's post. Personally, I don't think a school deserves to be sued because some kids picked on another kid. Sue the people that did it, bud. Perhaps for denying the 'gay' club, but I'm not sure about that either.
My highschool had a diversity panel with GSA and other groups on it, but they wouldn't let the hardcore Christian group speak at the panel BECAUSE they were going to make remarks about homosexuality, and some members successfully (and rightly) sued the school district for not allowing them to speak.
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
You make a good point, but wouldn't denying the student body a gay straight alliance bring more exposure to the situtation? If they allowed the club to be formed, then only its members and their friends would know about it and attend it. However, the school denied it, and how they are being sued. So anyone who didn't know about this would now certaintly be exposed it now that its big news. I know when I was high school, there was a lot of stuff I should have never been exposed too, but somehow I ended up hearing about them only being the adminstration was trying to "protect" the students.
well schools dont have to allow everything, right? If i have my own fetish and a group of people with same ideals that supports me, do we get to have an official community? Do we get media attention every time we denied just because it violates our rights? Schools should not be involved into any of this, i dont understand why it has to be OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED like they cant do their thing without dragging officials into it?
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways?
Well, it's pretty common for a group with a common thread that doesn't run through the majority of the students to form a club. If the students were 50/50 gay/straight, you'd have a point. When they're 10/1000 gay/straight, I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things.
I don't see any logical flaw there, nor do I think this conversation really needs to be on some seriously logical level of formulated points where if a then b.
Does a starcraft club strive for attention? Maybe not everyone should have starcraft shoved in their face like that, starcraft isn't for everyone and you could get easily swayed teens who normally would never touch starcraft to suddenly identify themselves as starcraft players!
I'm sure some would love a "White Males Unite!" club, but unless you're growing up in the inner city, chances are you really don't need one.
Edit: upon rereading your post...
On April 11 2009 14:23 food wrote: They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated.
You've got problems, friend. Gays should be the least of your worries at this point. Maybe you don't see it right now, but come reread this in a day or two and see how horrifically prejudiced what you're posting is.
maybe they denied it cuz they couldnt get a teacher to become their advisor? or something? ye i dont think the school should be sued. minorities have to go thru the same thing we had to go thru wen we were minorities. its only fair.
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways?
Well, it's pretty common for a group with a common thread that doesn't run through the majority of the students to form a club. If the students were 50/50 gay/straight, you'd have a point. When they're 10/1000 gay/straight, I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things.
I don't see any logical flaw there, nor do I think this conversation really needs to be on some seriously logical level of formulated points where if a then b.
Does a starcraft club strive for attention? Maybe not everyone should have starcraft shoved in their face like that, starcraft isn't for everyone and you could get easily swayed teens who normally would never touch starcraft to suddenly identify themselves as starcraft players!
what kind of official recognition do you think a "club" has? You can play starcraft and never get official recognition from the school board as a "club" or "alliance", would anyone really sue school for doing this? Plus having an openly gay community at your school will have some consequences that starcraft community wont. Like it or not, you are living in a traditional society, most parents would not want schools exposing their children to the very idea of sexual diversity. Its just not the right place to do it, like i said 3 times by now, school shouldnt be involved into any of this. No one prohibits gay meetings right? They can do it on their own time
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
not OP.. a student that goes there...
On April 11 2009 13:23 Ancestral wrote:
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
/facepalm
Nevermind.
Don't worry, I kinda giggled when I read what you wrote.
<3
well if you're not charles then are you gay? cuz thats the gayest thing you said. "giggle" what a fruity bastard.
On April 11 2009 14:23 food wrote: They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated.
You've got problems, friend. Gays should be the least of your worries at this point. Maybe you don't see it right now, but come reread this in a day or two and see how horrifically prejudiced what you're posting is.
im not your friend thats for sure we are not talking about me. I also stated that IN MY OPINION gays love the scandal, im not hiding the fact that im not supporting the whole "gay rights" movement. So pointing this out for me is kind of pointless
really, because at my school it wasn't a problem at all and we didn't receive any complaints but I don't know, are you a school board representative or do you have more information on this subject than me?
I'm not being a dick, if you're pulling from surveys or studies or something I want to know.
On April 11 2009 14:32 x89titan wrote: maybe they denied it cuz they couldnt get a teacher to become their advisor? or something? ye i dont think the school should be sued. minorities have to go thru the same thing we had to go thru wen we were minorities. its only fair.
So black people have to endure racist treatment now because they were treated like shit 50 years ago? Get real.
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways?
Well, it's pretty common for a group with a common thread that doesn't run through the majority of the students to form a club. If the students were 50/50 gay/straight, you'd have a point. When they're 10/1000 gay/straight, I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things.
I don't see any logical flaw there, nor do I think this conversation really needs to be on some seriously logical level of formulated points where if a then b.
Does a starcraft club strive for attention? Maybe not everyone should have starcraft shoved in their face like that, starcraft isn't for everyone and you could get easily swayed teens who normally would never touch starcraft to suddenly identify themselves as starcraft players!
what kind of official recognition do you think a "club" has? You can play starcraft and never get official recognition from the school board as a "club" or "alliance", would anyone really sue school for doing this? Plus having an openly gay community at your school will have some consequences that starcraft community wont. Like it or not, you are living in a traditional society, most parents would not want schools exposing their children to the very idea of sexual diversity. Its just not the right place to do it, like i said 3 times by now, school shouldnt be involved into any of this. No one prohibits gay meetings right? They can do it on their own time
I haven't encountered someone who gets dumber by each post they make... Reread all your posts and try to find a coherent thought in it please.
Actually I think the school had a pretty legitimate case to start with because they are a public school and because the students are minors (meaning they have authority). The actions of the staff ebbed away a lot of this legitimacy though. It probably also depends on the state as well as different states have different laws for supporting minors.
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
not OP.. a student that goes there...
On April 11 2009 13:23 Ancestral wrote:
On April 11 2009 13:19 CubEdIn wrote: Did they really spit on you? :/
On you? As in the op? He is not the person suing -_-. However, the school does deserve to be sued, unless they grant the request immediately, and take proper action for harassment.
/facepalm
Nevermind.
Don't worry, I kinda giggled when I read what you wrote.
<3
well if you're not charles then are you gay? cuz thats the gayest thing you said. "giggle" what a fruity bastard.
Fuck, I didnt mean to say giggle.
I meant to say "muscle cars and shit".
On April 11 2009 14:32 x89titan wrote: maybe they denied it cuz they couldnt get a teacher to become their advisor? or something? ye i dont think the school should be sued. minorities have to go thru the same thing we had to go thru wen we were minorities. its only fair.
Well, since I go to this school, I can say that there is definately alot of teachers who would be supporting this club if it were created o__o;;
Also, this is in Northern New York, if anyone was wondering.
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
It's basically a fancy way of saying that it's a group of people (club) involved in supporting the homosexual community, such as from the bullying etc that goes on in school. You don't have to be gay to join, but that's what the clubs activities would be centered around.
I guess "gay club" just doesn't have the same pleasing ring to it, haha.
Certainly if they set the precedent that a christian bible studies group was allowed, what could their argument possibly be against a GSA club? Unless it is indeed that they could not get a teacher to supervise. Do you know if that is the case Valentine?
edit: he answered my question in the response above, the answer was no so I don't understand
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I am a teenager. And I take psychology on the college level.
And thus, I know of Piaget's theory on cognitive development.
Piaget argues that adolescents aged 12 years (puberty) and beyond are of the "Formal Operational Stage"
To quote wikipedia:
The formal operational period is the fourth and final of the periods of cognitive development in Piaget's theory. This stage, which follows the Concrete Operational stage, commences at around 12 years of age (puberty) and continues into adulthood. It is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly, reason logically and draw conclusions from the information available, as well as apply all these processes to hypothetical situations. During this stage the young adult is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", logical proofs, and values.
On April 11 2009 15:18 Beside_kr wrote: Certainly if they set the precedent that a christian bible studies group was allowed, what could their argument possibly be against a GSA club? Unless it is indeed that they could not get a teacher to supervise. Do you know if that is the case Valentine?
edit: he answered my question in the response above, the answer was no so I don't understand
Here's a quote from an article from WWNYTV I originally printed out when I read.
She was turned down by the principal and assistant principal, who said such a club would bother parents and students
I find this pretty suprizing actually, because although Decker (principal) is an asshole, Brown (assistant principal) would definately be the kind of person to support this. I don't have any quotes exactly from them, but there will be more as the lawsuit continues =/
I haven't encountered someone who gets dumber by each post they make... Reread all your posts and try to find a coherent thought in it please.
Here's the definition of a gay alliance given by trumpet, which is probably pretty accurate "I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things."
If you willing to debate this, go ahead, maybe there's a different purpose
So what is "gay" and "people interested in gay related things"? Its clearly a sexual preference and people interested in establishing some kind of relationship with individuals of the same sexual preference. The whole thing revolves around sexual choice of a certain group of people, which is striving to get an official recognition from the school board( i would assume). Now explain, why should school consistently recognize someones sexual preference and specifically allow them to have their own "alliance" on official level? Do you really compare "gay people" to ethnic minorities like some retard did earlier? To be recognized officially, a "club" should have something like an outlined purpose or concept behind it. If you want school to officially recognize some ethnic minority, its one thing. Their purpose would be outlined along the lines of "maintaining tradition, studying culture" etc. If you want school to officially recognize a sexual preference, what would be the idea behind it? Place where gay people could do their gay related things? Why does ANY school has to recognize it?
hmmm, seems like they have a fairly legitimate case then, we'll see though I suppose. Can you keep us updated as the suit continues Valentine? I'm interested to know the outcome.
Could someone clarify what a gay-straight alliance is? I'm not savvy to the technical gay sayings, generally if you're gay in Texas you keep your mouth shut -.-
I haven't encountered someone who gets dumber by each post they make... Reread all your posts and try to find a coherent thought in it please.
Here's the definition of a gay alliance given by trumpet, which is probably pretty accurate "I think the club serves a clear purpose: a meeting place for gays and others interested in gay related things."
If you willing to debate this, go ahead, maybe there's a different purpose
So what is "gay" and "people interested in gay related things"? Its clearly a sexual preference and people interested in establishing some kind of relationship with individuals of the same sexual preference. The whole thing revolves around sexual choice of a certain group of people, which is striving to get an official recognition from the school board( i would assume). Now explain, why should school consistently recognize someones sexual preference and specifically allow them to have their own "alliance" on official level? Do you really compare "gay people" to ethnic minorities like some retard did earlier? To be recognized officially, a "club" should have something like an outlined purpose or concept behind it. If you want school to officially recognize some ethnic minority, its one thing. Their purpose would be outlined along the lines of "maintaining tradition, studying culture" etc. If you want school to officially recognize a sexual preference, what would be the idea behind it? Place where gay people could do their gay related things? Why does ANY school has to recognize it?
I stopped reading at the bolded section. Holy shit lol.
On April 11 2009 15:27 Beside_kr wrote: hmmm, seems like they have a fairly legitimate case then, we'll see though I suppose. Can you keep us updated as the suit continues Valentine? I'm interested to know the outcome.
Yeah, I'll keep posting on this. I won't hear as much gossip about it, since my Spring Break just started, however.
On April 11 2009 15:28 selboN wrote: Could someone clarify what a gay-straight alliance is? I'm not savvy to the technical gay sayings, generally if you're gay in Texas you keep your mouth shut -.-
I put my best definition of it in an earlier post of mine:
It's basically a fancy way of saying that it's a group of people (club) involved in supporting the homosexual community, such as from the bullying etc that goes on in school. You don't have to be gay to join, but that's what the clubs activities would be centered around.
food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
On April 11 2009 15:28 selboN wrote: Could someone clarify what a gay-straight alliance is? I'm not savvy to the technical gay sayings, generally if you're gay in Texas you keep your mouth shut -.-
WTF what part of TX you from? Or how are you raised? I know plenty of openly gay people in texas. Young and old.
From: food Subject: sup~ Date: 4/10/09 13:14 step 1. click 'blog' next to his name step 2. scroll down
? go advice someone else, imbecile troll. If i wanted to scroll through a load of garbage i would do so on my own by the way, have you sucked a dick before? i live in MA
Looks like someone is harboring suppressed sexual inclinations. I feel sorry for you buddy.
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I am a teenager. And I take psychology on the college level.
And thus, I know of Piaget's theory on cognitive development.
Piaget argues that adolescents aged 12 years (puberty) and beyond are of the "Formal Operational Stage"
The formal operational period is the fourth and final of the periods of cognitive development in Piaget's theory. This stage, which follows the Concrete Operational stage, commences at around 12 years of age (puberty) and continues into adulthood. It is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly, reason logically and draw conclusions from the information available, as well as apply all these processes to hypothetical situations. During this stage the young adult is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", logical proofs, and values.
Very good. So you can understand "such things as love" when you are 12. Says nothing about cocks penetrating anus You are pretty bad at what you study if you think that a 12 year old can make a reasonable choice without being seriously affected by things around him. This is some basic shit and its really not worth the time arguing with It was done way before you, thats why we have content restricted by age. If you are 12-15 and some of your friends suddenly turn gay and even have their own "gay alliance" which is pretty fucking rad chances are you might be at least looking into it
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote: i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I am a teenager. And I take psychology on the college level.
And thus, I know of Piaget's theory on cognitive development.
Piaget argues that adolescents aged 12 years (puberty) and beyond are of the "Formal Operational Stage"
To quote wikipedia:
The formal operational period is the fourth and final of the periods of cognitive development in Piaget's theory. This stage, which follows the Concrete Operational stage, commences at around 12 years of age (puberty) and continues into adulthood. It is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly, reason logically and draw conclusions from the information available, as well as apply all these processes to hypothetical situations. During this stage the young adult is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", logical proofs, and values.
Very good. So you can understand "such things as love" when you are 12. Says nothing about cocks penetrating anus You are pretty bad at what you study if you think that a 12 year old can make a reasonable choice without being seriously affected by things around him. This is some basic shit and its really not worth the time arguing with It was done way before you, thats why we have content restricted by age. If you are 12-15 and some of your friends suddenly turn gay and even have their own "gay alliance" which is pretty fucking rad chances are you might be at least looking into it
From: food Subject: sup~ Date: 4/10/09 13:14 step 1. click 'blog' next to his name step 2. scroll down
? go advice someone else, imbecile troll. If i wanted to scroll through a load of garbage i would do so on my own by the way, have you sucked a dick before? i live in MA
Looks like someone is harboring suppressed sexual inclinations. I feel sorry for you buddy.
i hope you had a release posting this. Should also note this had nothing to do with this thread and you basically got put in your place in response to your shitty PMs
From: food Subject: sup~ Date: 4/10/09 13:14 step 1. click 'blog' next to his name step 2. scroll down
? go advice someone else, imbecile troll. If i wanted to scroll through a load of garbage i would do so on my own by the way, have you sucked a dick before? i live in MA
Looks like someone is harboring suppressed sexual inclinations. I feel sorry for you buddy.
i hope you had a release posting this. Should also note this had nothing to do with this thread and you basically got put in your place in response to your shitty PMs
A release? Rofl.
You send me a PM like that and then come in here with homophobic bullshit? It is entirely related.
I don't think you people understand what a gay-straight alliance is.
Students create gay-straight alliances for two reasons:
1. If one plans to apply to a liberal college and wants to sweeten their application, they ask to start a gay-straight alliance club that most likely will do nothing because there is no problem of gay abuse or denial of gay rights at their respective schools.
2. Gay students gather to talk about gay rights in life or in school and talk about what can be done to bridge the gap between the straight culture and the gay culture to make for a more pleasurable assimilated relationship. It has NOTHING to do with selling or celebrating gay culture, be it - from gay marriage to we're here we're queer parades.
There is no reason for a school to deny such a club as its intention is to make life better for BOTH parties considered. Stop bickering about something you don't even understand.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
Slavery was socially accepted 150 years ago too.
thats why it was perfectly fine 150 years ago, just helping your thinking process
Well, if you say so, it must be true. I do not live in the United States. I would like to reiterate that your point against it is that society frowns upon that kind of thing but not the separation of church and state. Fair enough.
On April 11 2009 15:48 keV. wrote: First of all...
I don't think you people understand what a gay-straight alliance is.
Students create gay-straight alliances for two reasons:
1. If one plans to apply to a liberal college and wants to sweeten their application, they ask to start a gay-straight alliance club that most likely will do nothing because there is no problem of gay abuse or denial of gay rights at their respective schools.
2. Gay students gather to talk about gay rights in life or in school and talk about what can be done to bridge the gap between the straight culture and the gay culture to make for a more pleasurable assimilated relationship. It has NOTHING to do with selling or celebrating gay culture, be it - from gay marriage to we're here we're queer parades.
There is no reason for a school to deny such a club as its intention is to make life better for BOTH parties considered. Stop bickering about something you don't even understand.
Quoting because apparently legibility and information is ignored at times.
On April 11 2009 15:50 food wrote: you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
Maybe thats the society you live in, but there are multiple states with laws that make gay marriage legal -_-....you talking for everyone else is really rad too. On top of my school had a GSA that formed my sophomore year, nothing happened, they go together were in the prom parade and crap, and no one cared. So your idea that everyone isn't their own person and has a herd mentality is wrong.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
yes and evolution should be scrapped and replaced with creationism.
On April 11 2009 15:48 keV. wrote: First of all...
I don't think you people understand what a gay-straight alliance is.
Students create gay-straight alliances for two reasons:
1. If one plans to apply to a liberal college and wants to sweeten their application, they ask to start a gay-straight alliance club that most likely will do nothing because there is no problem of gay abuse or denial of gay rights at their respective schools.
2. Gay students gather to talk about gay rights in life or in school and talk about what can be done to bridge the gap between the straight culture and the gay culture to make for a more pleasurable assimilated relationship. It has NOTHING to do with selling or celebrating gay culture, be it - from gay marriage to we're here we're queer parades.
There is no reason for a school to deny such a club as its intention is to make life better for BOTH parties considered. Stop bickering about something you don't even understand.
Quoting because apparently legibility and information is ignored at times.
this barely relates to reality majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up. One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
On April 11 2009 16:07 food wrote: this barely relates to reality majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up. One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
how can anyone side with the school on this? School is supposed to be a safe place where anyone, regardless of race, religion, or sexuality should be able to learn. If you drop out because you are getting bullied so bad for whatever reason and their staff is doing nothing to protect you, something has to change at the school..
I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
this barely relates to reality
Yes it relates perfectly. I've attended two high schools one in the RI and one in Florida one was successful the other was just a bunch of us who wanted to go to school in the north east or west coast. We sat around with one gay dude (cool guy) and watched gay bashing documentaries once a month.
majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there
No, more often then not high schools have a very small if any gay population. You should know that. People who join clubs that interest them typically have interests in being there, you make a good point. I'm sure said gays are looking to conquer the heterosexuals of the school.
also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up.
The OP specifically mentioned a gay-straight alliance. Read.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail? You are a grand idiot. The gay culture is a minority, this is not a battle between rival factions genius.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
yes and evolution should be scrapped and replaced with creationism.
some said earlier that slavery was socially accepted 150 years ago and i responded that it WAS. This has nothing to do with current state of society, same with your example. Evolution is one of the main concepts of biology nowadays thus socially accepted. Gay unions at schools arent. In 50 years maybe, this does not disprove anything i said.
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
yes and evolution should be scrapped and replaced with creationism.
some said earlier that slavery was socially accepted 150 years ago and i responded that it WAS. This has nothing to do with current state of society, same with your example. Evolution is one of the main concepts of biology nowadays thus socially accepted. Gay unions at schools arent. In 50 years maybe, this does not disprove anything i said.
okay explain how it is going to become acceptable in 50 years.
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
i didnt say we have to separate the lifestyles, what are you talking about? I said that bringing this issue up for discussion in court blows it out of proportion thus giving them way more attention then needed. The idea of a gay union will draw a thicker line between gay and straight at schools and not having it would leave people care less. How could you not read this?
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
Thanks for playing. Now stop posting.
guy few posts above you posted that mentioned GSA went to the prom or w/e doing their own thing and no one cared. So they were gay people apparently, he doesnt know if anyone cared or not, it was his subjective idea, but he seen the 'ceremony" or w/e. You can pretend you know all about it, i just dont see many straight individuals attending meetings of a gay alliance working things out with gay people. Some would, but not majority of the alliance, yes? i wasnt arguing with the OP specifically, if you havent noticed. This discussion expanded past the OP few pages ago. also whats with the immediate fail? any effort to amend differences will immediately fail thus im an idiot. We are talkign about the school you dumb shit. I said AT SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY BRINGING UP GAY ISSUE IS NOT THE BEST THING TO DO, YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THAT? Isnt that what OP said as well, dean denied due to parents/social approval? Where did i go about it beyond schools? You clearly should start reading yourself and i will surely take advice from a shitty poster who cant even follow the argument
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
i didnt say we have to separate the lifestyles, what are you talking about? I said that bringing this issue up for discussion in court blows it out of proportion thus giving them way more attention then needed. The idea of a gay union will draw a thicker line between gay and straight at schools and not having it would leave people care less. How could you not read this?
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
this barely relates to reality
Yes it relates perfectly. I've attended two high schools one in the RI and one in Florida
majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there
No, more often then not teens at a highschool have a very small if any gay population. You should know that.
also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up.
The OP specifically mentioned a gay-straight alliance. Read.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
Thanks for playing. Now stop posting.
guy few posts above you posted that mentioned GSA went to the prom or w/e doing their own thing and no one cares. So they were gay people apparently, he doesnt know if anyone cared or not, it was his subjective idea, but he seen the 'ceremony" or w/e. You can pretend you know all about it, i just dont see a normal person attending meetings of a gay alliance working things out with gay people. Some would, but not majority of the alliance, yes? i wasnt arguing with the OP specifically, if you havent noticed. This discussion expanded past the OP few pages ago. also whats with the immediate fail? any effort to amend differences will immediately fail thus im an idiot. We are talkign about the school you dumb shit. I said AT SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY BRINGING UP GAY ISSUE IS NOT THE BEST THING TO DO, YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THAT? Isnt that what OP said as well, dean denied due to parents/social approval? Where did i go about it beyond schools? You clearly should start reading yourself and i will surely take advice from a shitty poster who cant even follow the argument
You are the dumbest person on the internet. I'd rather you just be an ignorant bigot posing as an ignorant bigot than an ignorant bigot posing as an intellectual. You clearly cannot comprehend more than one sentence at a time. A comment debate on youtube is more your speed. I'm not going to argue with a retard anymore.
On April 11 2009 15:32 Beside_kr wrote: food, your argument isn't taking into account that the school already has a Christian Bible studies group, which you could claim is a religious choice and has nothing to do with school at all. You could say it has a defined purpose: to study the bible. To counter that, a GSA club's purpose could be: discussing homosexual rights or a number of other things.
you also not taking into account what kind of society we live in. It is very traditional, especially in the US. An accepted set of morals and values has to influence the situation anyhow. It might be different in Cali, but i am pretty sure majority is not open to the idea of gay unions at school, while studying religion is completely socially accepted. Also we do know that "GSA" will never restrict itself to discussing the rights of homosexuals without promoting gay lifestyle to some extent.
yes and evolution should be scrapped and replaced with creationism.
some said earlier that slavery was socially accepted 150 years ago and i responded that it WAS. This has nothing to do with current state of society, same with your example. Evolution is one of the main concepts of biology nowadays thus socially accepted. Gay unions at schools arent. In 50 years maybe, this does not disprove anything i said.
okay explain how it is going to become acceptable in 50 years.
right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess?
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
i didnt say we have to separate the lifestyles, what are you talking about? I said that bringing this issue up for discussion in court blows it out of proportion thus giving them way more attention then needed. The idea of a gay union will draw a thicker line between gay and straight at schools and not having it would leave people care less. How could you not read this?
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
this barely relates to reality
Yes it relates perfectly. I've attended two high schools one in the RI and one in Florida
majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there
No, more often then not teens at a highschool have a very small if any gay population. You should know that.
also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up.
The OP specifically mentioned a gay-straight alliance. Read.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
Thanks for playing. Now stop posting.
guy few posts above you posted that mentioned GSA went to the prom or w/e doing their own thing and no one cares. So they were gay people apparently, he doesnt know if anyone cared or not, it was his subjective idea, but he seen the 'ceremony" or w/e. You can pretend you know all about it, i just dont see a normal person attending meetings of a gay alliance working things out with gay people. Some would, but not majority of the alliance, yes? i wasnt arguing with the OP specifically, if you havent noticed. This discussion expanded past the OP few pages ago. also whats with the immediate fail? any effort to amend differences will immediately fail thus im an idiot. We are talkign about the school you dumb shit. I said AT SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY BRINGING UP GAY ISSUE IS NOT THE BEST THING TO DO, YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THAT? Isnt that what OP said as well, dean denied due to parents/social approval? Where did i go about it beyond schools? You clearly should start reading yourself and i will surely take advice from a shitty poster who cant even follow the argument
You are the dumbest person on the internet. I'd rather you just be a ignorant bigot posing as an ignorant bigot than a ignorant bigot posing as an intellectual. You clearly cannot comprehend more than one sentence at a time. A comment debate on youtube is more your speed. I'm not going to argue with a retard anymore.
im glad you finally admitted to shitting yourself. Heres a tissue, wipe it off.
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
i didnt say we have to separate the lifestyles, what are you talking about? I said that bringing this issue up for discussion in court blows it out of proportion thus giving them way more attention then needed. The idea of a gay union will draw a thicker line between gay and straight at schools and not having it would leave people care less. How could you not read this?
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
this barely relates to reality
Yes it relates perfectly. I've attended two high schools one in the RI and one in Florida
majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there
No, more often then not teens at a highschool have a very small if any gay population. You should know that.
also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up.
The OP specifically mentioned a gay-straight alliance. Read.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
Thanks for playing. Now stop posting.
guy few posts above you posted that mentioned GSA went to the prom or w/e doing their own thing and no one cares. So they were gay people apparently, he doesnt know if anyone cared or not, it was his subjective idea, but he seen the 'ceremony" or w/e. You can pretend you know all about it, i just dont see a normal person attending meetings of a gay alliance working things out with gay people. Some would, but not majority of the alliance, yes? i wasnt arguing with the OP specifically, if you havent noticed. This discussion expanded past the OP few pages ago. also whats with the immediate fail? any effort to amend differences will immediately fail thus im an idiot. We are talkign about the school you dumb shit. I said AT SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY BRINGING UP GAY ISSUE IS NOT THE BEST THING TO DO, YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THAT? Isnt that what OP said as well, dean denied due to parents/social approval? Where did i go about it beyond schools? You clearly should start reading yourself and i will surely take advice from a shitty poster who cant even follow the argument
You are the dumbest person on the internet. I'd rather you just be a ignorant bigot posing as an ignorant bigot than a ignorant bigot posing as an intellectual. You clearly cannot comprehend more than one sentence at a time. A comment debate on youtube is more your speed. I'm not going to argue with a retard anymore.
im glad you finally admitted to shitting yourself. Heres a tissue, wipe it off.
Also...w-t-f. You are contradicting yourself all over, you say we shouldn't be accepting because it separates the life styles, then say we have to separate the life styles so people will care less. Make up your mind.
i didnt say we have to separate the lifestyles, what are you talking about? I said that bringing this issue up for discussion in court blows it out of proportion thus giving them way more attention then needed. The idea of a gay union will draw a thicker line between gay and straight at schools and not having it would leave people care less. How could you not read this?
On April 11 2009 16:13 keV. wrote: I can't even begin to tell you how dumb what you just said is. I'm going to do it anyway because I'm a bit of a masochist.
this barely relates to reality
Yes it relates perfectly. I've attended two high schools one in the RI and one in Florida
majority of people attending these alliances are gay people and they have their own interest in going there
No, more often then not teens at a highschool have a very small if any gay population. You should know that.
also we didnt talk about gay-straight alliance in particular, something called "gay club" or "gay alliance" came up.
The OP specifically mentioned a gay-straight alliance. Read.
One form of this would be GSA, but in any case i dont see a point in officially separating gay and straight "communities" by creating specific gay organizations at schools. My point was, if this isnt brought up, peopel would care less. By talking more about the importance of accepting gay people into "heterosexual community" at particular school you drawing a line between them
So any effort to amend the differences between these two cultures will immediately fail. You are a grand idiot.
Thanks for playing. Now stop posting.
guy few posts above you posted that mentioned GSA went to the prom or w/e doing their own thing and no one cares. So they were gay people apparently, he doesnt know if anyone cared or not, it was his subjective idea, but he seen the 'ceremony" or w/e. You can pretend you know all about it, i just dont see a normal person attending meetings of a gay alliance working things out with gay people. Some would, but not majority of the alliance, yes? i wasnt arguing with the OP specifically, if you havent noticed. This discussion expanded past the OP few pages ago. also whats with the immediate fail? any effort to amend differences will immediately fail thus im an idiot. We are talkign about the school you dumb shit. I said AT SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY BRINGING UP GAY ISSUE IS NOT THE BEST THING TO DO, YOU FAIL TO NOTICE THAT? Isnt that what OP said as well, dean denied due to parents/social approval? Where did i go about it beyond schools? You clearly should start reading yourself and i will surely take advice from a shitty poster who cant even follow the argument
You are the dumbest person on the internet. I'd rather you just be a ignorant bigot posing as an ignorant bigot than a ignorant bigot posing as an intellectual. You clearly cannot comprehend more than one sentence at a time. A comment debate on youtube is more your speed. I'm not going to argue with a retard anymore.
im glad you finally admitted to shitting yourself. Heres a tissue, wipe it off.
Trying to get back on topic here. I can't imagine that a court case would go in favor of the school. With some luck, this could be one of the turning points of the gay rights movement.
shush guys, he's finally onto something, not quite there yet, but maybe he will.
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess?
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess?
hah if you thought i hate gay people you were seriously wrong usually they dont bother me unless they act gay in front of me, im not ok with that argument was strictly about schools, but bunch of activists felt the urge to express how much they care for gay rights i dont care for gays as long as they not interfering with my life. Thus i dont want them advocating their lifestyle at school if my kid goes there since his choice could be influenced like any other kid at school following trendy things. i can see a scenario where it becomes absolutely casual in the future or completely gets out of fashion. Either way it has nothing to do with nowadays reality
On April 11 2009 13:35 food wrote: imo if queers sneak around not advertising the lifestyle i can accept that to some extent. But official gay unions at school? Id never accept this shit
Sounds like you're accepting as a motherfucker to me!
(How the fuck is a GSA an official gay union at school btw rofl)
I DON'T SUPPORT OFFICIAL CHESS NERD UNIONS AT SCHOOL!
On April 11 2009 16:53 Sirakor wrote: shush guys, he's finally onto something, not quite there yet, but maybe he will.
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess?
hah if you thought i hate gay people you were seriously wrong usually they dont bother me unless they act gay in front of me, im not ok with that argument was strictly about schools, but bunch of activists felt the urge to express how much they care for gay rights i dont care for gays as long as they not interfering with my life. Thus i dont want them advocating their lifestyle at school if my kid goes there since his choice could be influenced like any other kid at school following trendy things. i can see a scenario where it becomes absolutely casual in the future or completely gets out of fashion. Either way it has nothing to do with nowadays reality
I don't like it that they act gay in front of me either (I just think they're really weird), but my high school had a GSA and seriously, I really don't give a fuck... I don't think the majority of the people give a shit either. The people in that club aren't actively trying to influence other people or convert them or something. It's like being in the math club; no one gives a shit. Just let them do whatever they want.
And about the school thing... if it's a private school, okay fine. They want to disallow a gay club? Sure whatever. The kids' homophobic parents ought to send them to some religious private school anyway. But in a public school, that's a different story, especially when some kids are getting abused for no other reason than being gay.
food, i do not wish for you to repeat yourself, but i have some questions that you may have already answered, but i'm hoping for some insight.
1. The point of a GSA is to affirm for young people that it is ok to be who they are. The majority of homosexuals, until they are out of highschool, feel like they are bad people, freaks of nature, sinners, dirty, etc. The GSA is to say "hey, you're not the only one. You're ok, and everyone in this club are here to support you". It isn't about converting people or promoting sex. It's about promoting tolerance, and a general message that it's ok to be who you are. I don't understand why you think this shouldn't be in schools; it seems that this is the most pertinent place for such a club, as your teenage years are the hardest and scariest time of your life. how could such a positive thing bring harm?
2. You mentioned that such a club could be 'trendy', and folks who are not homosexual may try it out. I don't entirely agree with your point, but my agreement is somewhat irrelevant as i still fail to see your point. If a guy wants to experiment with kissing another guy, who the fuck cares? He'll either find out he likes it and will do it again, or he will find out that he does not. As long as the students are practicing safe sex (regardless of which gender you're practicing with), who cares? More to the point: The club is not about having sex. Sex is not permitted in schools, and this club isn't trying to change that.
3. Sexuality is one of the greatest explorations that most people do in their teenage years. It's seen in movies, video games, posters, newspapers. There's sexual education in school. There are biology classes. The idea of sex is hardly regarded as unnatural or wrong for heterosexuals; if anything it's encouraged (at least among peers). Why should this not be true for homosexuals? I don't understand the double standard. Why do you care where i put my penis? Why do you care if i want to make a club to promote tolerance regarding the way nature made me?
4. You made a distinction earlier between 'being born gay' and 'choosing to fuck men'. Could you clarify this a little for me? I've devoted a large part of my life to studying sexuality; my experience has lead me to believe that being attracted to and aroused by the same sex is what makes a person gay, not who they fuck. I wanted to suck cock long before i had an opportunity to - this is what makes me gay. I've fucked a chick while thinking of Brad Pitt, i would say that still makes me gay. Being gay is not about who you have sex with, it's about who you want to have sex with. If your perspective differs from this one, could you explore it out loud for me so that i can better understand your perspective?
On April 11 2009 16:37 food wrote: right thing to say would be not gay unions at schools, but gay people in society overall. Ultimately there wont be any need for gay unions since its going to be casual. How is it going to happen? Bunch of "traditional" folks will die off i guess?
Read Mora's point 1. This is the proper way it is going to happen. Traditional folks do not just die off... Clubs are about tolerance.
food you think that slavery was abolished because "the traditional people died off"? social problems get fixed when people wake up and say "wtf this shit is messed up, unfair...blah blah blah". and this case is an example of that. stop embarrassing yourself and stop posting.
Just to let you all know. you are not going to enlighten a gay hater. Its impossible for straight guy to be happy in gay relationship, or just as much as a gay guy in straight one. And equally impossible for a bigot to switch teams.
This thread has turned in a discussion over homosexuals. Not so fan of them but im not going to argue here.
For the OP. The school should do somthing about it. If in de US they can only do it by going to court. Then the brother and sister should sue. I guess where i live all this is not such an problem anymore.
On April 11 2009 17:24 Mora wrote: food, i do not wish for you to repeat yourself, but i have some questions that you may have already answered, but i'm hoping for some insight.
1. The point of a GSA is to affirm for young people that it is ok to be who they are. The majority of homosexuals, until they are out of highschool, feel like they are bad people, freaks of nature, sinners, dirty, etc. The GSA is to say "hey, you're not the only one. You're ok, and everyone in this club are here to support you". It isn't about converting people or promoting sex. It's about promoting tolerance, and a general message that it's ok to be who you are. I don't understand why you think this shouldn't be in schools; it seems that this is the most pertinent place for such a club, as your teenage years are the hardest and scariest time of your life. how could such a positive thing bring harm?
I understand your point and I am sure that GSA has the purpose of promoting tolerance. Does Asian club( lets name it that) have a purpose of promoting tolerance towards Asians? No, it doesn't. Why? Because it goes without saying, not being tolerant towards ethnic minority would be a criminal act. This already makes GSA a "unique" organization. Should the organization with such functions be a part of a school system? Probably not, it is not entirely a chess club. What's wrong with having them exist on the outside, promoting that "it's ok to be who you are" while defending gay rights? I think USA is the only country that allows GSA implemented into the school system. This thread started with the news about some guy suing the school for not allowing him to create a local GSA, which is absolutely absurd. He could have taken legal action against people who discriminated him since it's a criminal offense. School made a choice of not allowing the GSA, you should agree it doesn't exist everywhere in the US just yet. From what officials stated, most parents would not tolerate such organization and they probably didn't make that up. My point is, have these kinds of organizations exist separately, not being a part of a school system. From what i read that's how they have it in UK.
2. You mentioned that such a club could be 'trendy', and folks who are not homosexual may try it out. I don't entirely agree with your point, but my agreement is somewhat irrelevant as i still fail to see your point. If a guy wants to experiment with kissing another guy, who the fuck cares? He'll either find out he likes it and will do it again, or he will find out that he does not. As long as the students are practicing safe sex (regardless of which gender you're practicing with), who cares? More to the point: The club is not about having sex. Sex is not permitted in schools, and this club isn't trying to change that.
Seems that you do agree with the part about such "club" possibly becoming popular and inviting to "experiment", which is bad enough for most parents to start being concerned about it. Here we approaching the concept of sexuality, which is almost impossible to figure out. From my stand, if someone is young enough to not be confident about his sexual preferences/desires or just uneducated on the subject, he/she might be getting attracted to things he wouldn't think about otherwise. If he tries out a gay relationship first it will most likely affect his sexual life afterwards. I don't think it goes the way you mentioned, if he tries it with a guy more likely he will consider himself gay after. First sexual experience is not something you can just play around with, even the idea of trying things with a person of same sex, just to see if you like it, seems insane to me, maybe i'm just way out-of-date.
3. Sexuality is one of the greatest explorations that most people do in their teenage years. It's seen in movies, video games, posters, newspapers. There's sexual education in school. There are biology classes. The idea of sex is hardly regarded as unnatural or wrong for heterosexuals; if anything it's encouraged (at least among peers). Why should this not be true for homosexuals? I don't understand the double standard. Why do you care where i put my penis? Why do you care if i want to make a club to promote tolerance regarding the way nature made me?
It's not about promoting sex, it's about influencing the choice that sometimes people are not ready to make( will regret after making).
4. You made a distinction earlier between 'being born gay' and 'choosing to fuck men'. Could you clarify this a little for me? I've devoted a large part of my life to studying sexuality; my experience has lead me to believe that being attracted to and aroused by the same sex is what makes a person gay, not who they fuck. I wanted to suck cock long before i had an opportunity to - this is what makes me gay. I've fucked a chick while thinking of Brad Pitt, i would say that still makes me gay. Being gay is not about who you have sex with, it's about who you want to have sex with. If your perspective differs from this one, could you explore it out loud for me so that i can better understand your perspective?
Here's the main disagreement - i don't think all gay people are born gay. I can imagine some people are born with certain hormone imbalances or disfunctions, on the other hand they could be affected psychologically while growing up. It is hard to single out what specifically led someone to becoming gay; in my opinion most people chose to be gay rather then were born gay. This debate is ongoing and no way in hell will it be decided here on this forum in this thread. This here is the base of your argument, same as mine
Hey like I don't know about you but by "gay" it not only refers to guys but also girls. And personally, I am in complete support of two very hot females getting together. That's why I support gays and you should too.
Wow, food seriously lacks some functional brain cells... and this is really interesting. I hope the school gets into trouble. I'm completely indifferent about gay people and such but bullying for any reason sucks and the school just seems braindead. And this food person definitely deserves a ban =P
On April 11 2009 17:42 ShaperofDreams wrote: food you think that slavery was abolished because "the traditional people died off"? social problems get fixed when people wake up and say "wtf this shit is messed up, unfair...blah blah blah". and this case is an example of that. stop embarrassing yourself and stop posting.
i dumbed it down, but primitively - yes. people dont wake up saying that shit is messed up, people evolve. You can read about evolution online just like i read about gay unions in UK T_T
However, if anything, the school should be sued for allowing bullying, if it truly did occur. I think they should be able to block a gay-strait alliance. Kids at school need to be focused on homework, not sexual orientation.
Besides, there is always the double standard of someone trying to form an alliance that is not a "minority" group.
The kid may or may not have a legitimate case, in my mind, depending on the extent of the bullying. The fact that he seems to be "disgusted" because he can't have his own special club makes me think that he expects some sort of special entitlement because he is gay. He also said that he didn't "feel welcome". So it really depends if he was being bullied in a relatively severe way vs if he is blowing things out of proportion.
I don't think the fact that he is gay should have any relevance here. No one should be bullied period. The reason for bullying is irrelevant.
edit: what I posted above is what the official legal argument should be imo. However, on a practical level, if the judge finds that the teachers and administration were indeed discriminating against him because he was gay (by allowing bullying), then that ups the legal implications. Because instead of being negligent, they were actually part of the bullying. Again, its not because he is gay that the punishment is worse, it is because his gayness helped identify a concerted discriminatory pattern among teachers and staff as opposed to just negligence.
On April 11 2009 18:55 fight_or_flight wrote: thread was tl;dr
However, if anything, the school should be sued for allowing bullying, if it truly did occur. I think they should be able to block a gay-strait alliance. Kids at school need to be focused on homework, not sexual orientation.
Besides, there is always the double standard of someone trying to form an alliance that is not a "minority" group.
The kid may or may not have a legitimate case, in my mind, depending on the extent of the bullying. The fact that he seems to be "disgusted" because he can't have his own special club makes me think that he expects some sort of special entitlement because he is gay. He also said that he didn't "feel welcome". So it really depends if he was being bullied in a relatively severe way vs if he is blowing things out of proportion.
I don't think the fact that he is gay should have any relevance here. No one should be bullied period. The reason for bullying is irrelevant.
According to the lawsuit, Mr. Kettrick was aware of the harassment but "displayed utter and willful indifference to it."
"School district employees were aware of the rampant antigay and sexist harassment on campus but deliberately refused to undertake even the most basic corrective or remedial measures, despite these employees' clear authority and ability to do so," the suit reads. "Instead, staff members at the Indian River High School whose very job it was to monitor and supervise student behavior in the cafeteria frequently joined in on the harassment, ridiculing Charlie with stereotypically effeminate gestures in front of other students and telling Charlie he was 'disgusting' and 'shouldn't be gay.'"
According to the suit, Mr. Kettrick's actions were blatantly discriminatory and he showed "callous indifference" when he suggested Mr. Pratt "tone it down" and said his safety could not be guaranteed.
It's not just about the denial of forming a GSA, it's how the school handled his situation. Him being gay is relevant because they discriminated him for it, and no one at the school did anything about it. Granted, this may not be how it actually happend, at least not until the legitimacy of the case is proven, or disproven.
At my school my senior six peice of shit redneck football players were expelled 2 months before graduation for harassing two our gay classmates in the manner discribed in the op.
Fuck anybody in the educational system that isn't 100% commited to protecting youth from this type of shit. It is school. How the fuck can you grow into an adult and prepare yourself for a life of any kind while being openly treated like dogshit.
If what is described in the op is even 50% true I hope jobs are lost and lives are ruined. argg california is just so much better.
On April 11 2009 18:41 food wrote: Here's the main disagreement - i don't think all gay people are born gay. I can imagine some people are born with certain hormone imbalances or disfunctions, on the other hand they could be affected psychologically while growing up. It is hard to single out what specifically led someone to becoming gay; in my opinion most people chose to be gay rather then were born gay. This debate is ongoing and no way in hell will it be decided here on this forum in this thread. This here is the base of your argument, same as mine
you have no idea the pain and effort most gay guys go through to try to be attracted to women.
i don't honestly know how you can think this way.
Are you trying to tell me that, with enough effort, you can be turned on by the thought of a man slamming his fat hairy cock down your throat repeatedly until he cums inside you?
With enough effort can this picture can give you a boner?
i had to wack off before finishing this post as this picture had me going so freakin' bad.
honestly. The only way your way of thinking could make sense to me is if you were bi. To people who are bi, sexuality can be reduced to choice. In that scenario, anyone trying to say "it's not a choice" is wrong by default, cause your experience proves their theory untrue.
"ok so... 99.99% students here are straight, their parents are 99.99% straight and probably against gays cuz this is the US where most people are christian or some shit and intolerant to anything they don't know IE anything outside hamburgers, rock music and muscle cars. I think it's pretty safe to just shove this homosexual's problems back straight in his face."
I think the correct type of gay is the one nobody knows is gay, except for friends and stuff. The same way that most people don't say "I love making love with fat women in stockings" to people you don't even know, you don't go saying "I am gay" to everyone and act like a faggot. Nobody needs to know that shit, so nothing pisses me off more then gay people making it very clear they are gay because this is a free world with rights and so on. Judging from the picture and the thread that guy seems to be just like that, "I am gay, so what?" so frankly, he had it coming, this isn't exactly a very tolerant world. I could be mistaken regarding him, I don't know that guy, so this is just an assumption. Bullying and threats against gays will never stop. The most we can do is at least stop this in places like schools, so retarded shit like this doesn't happen in the peaceful place a school should be
On April 12 2009 01:35 Z-BosoN wrote: I think the correct type of gay is the one nobody knows is gay, except for friends and stuff. The same way that most people don't say "I love making love with fat women in stockings" to people you don't even know, you don't go saying "I am gay" to everyone and act like a faggot. Nobody needs to know that shit, so nothing pisses me off more then gay people making it very clear they are gay because this is a free world with rights and so on. Judging from the picture and the thread that guy seems to be just like that, "I am gay, so what?" so frankly, he had it coming, this isn't exactly a very tolerant world. I could be mistaken regarding him, I don't know that guy, so this is just an assumption. Bullying and threats against gays will never stop. The most we can do is at least stop this in places like schools, so retarded shit like this doesn't happen in the peaceful place a school should be
On April 12 2009 01:35 Z-BosoN wrote: I think the correct type of gay is the one nobody knows is gay, except for friends and stuff. The same way that most people don't say "I love making love with fat women in stockings" to people you don't even know, you don't go saying "I am gay" to everyone and act like a faggot. Nobody needs to know that shit, so nothing pisses me off more then gay people making it very clear they are gay because this is a free world with rights and so on. Judging from the picture and the thread that guy seems to be just like that, "I am gay, so what?" so frankly, he had it coming, this isn't exactly a very tolerant world. I could be mistaken regarding him, I don't know that guy, so this is just an assumption. Bullying and threats against gays will never stop. The most we can do is at least stop this in places like schools, so retarded shit like this doesn't happen in the peaceful place a school should be
I think there should be one of these threads at least once a month, to weed out the bad seeds.
New law: heterosexuals arent allowed to act straight, participate in any stereotypically heterosexual activities, or show any attraction for the other sex in public. They shouldn't be able to do this just because this is a free world with rights and so on.
"He had it coming"? Are you fucking serious? I can understand you not liking someone who is openly gay, but you believe that he should be spit on and pushed into walls because of it?
(just as an fyi for anyone thinking of arguing with him, food was temp banned for two weeks and won't be able to respond)
while the immature homophobic remarks are predictable and sad, it is nice to see that there are tl posters pointing out how misguided and ridiculous the "he deserved it" line of thinking is. sort of rejuvenates your faith in the community :D
On April 12 2009 06:13 Fontong wrote: Wow food's posts are just disgusting, I'm glad he at least got temp'd.
what's especially interesting about folks who take the "they can be gay as long as it does not interfere with my life" angle is that they have no qualms about interfering in other people's lives
anyway, "What gay activists say when they hope no one's listening: Winning same-sex marriage rights is just a matter of waiting for old people to die. Here's a map of which states will go gay next."
This thread is already too deep for me to care enough to read every page. So someone probably already said this but, This will happen to any student regardless if they are gay,ugly,stupid,dress funny, talk funny,poor,rich,popular,emo,goth,nerd,dif race,dif religion etc. Kids will be kids (especially boys) and will ridicule anyone for anything. Its only these faggy kids who take such offense to it and feel the need to sue. Look at the ugly kids who were harassed and then do the ugly ducking thing and go on maury povich. For most of them they say it made them stronger and wouldn't go back and change it.
So what did this openly gay kid expect was going to happen if he went around acting homosexual? What does he think will happen to him in the real world? After all high school is preparing you for the real world right? If you can't handle highschool then you just suck at life regardless if you're gay. Kid needs therapy or something.
About the school, I don't know the specifics (as no one probably does or ever will, both sides lie/exaggerate). But I'm sure if a student was being harass for any reason they will issue detentions and what not to students causing the problems. However, this is just punishment. They can do absolutely nothing to change the opinions/views of students or prevent as they cannot watch every student 100% all day at school (and even after school).
The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
This might be a troll, in which case: you got me. Otherwise...
How can you possibly have an opinion about something you've obviously never encountered?
First of all, a Gay Straight Alliance is to promote tolerance and to help kids cope and succeed when they otherwise be bullied and outcast. Homosexuality is incredibly hard to deal with as a youth in many ways and the acceptance of your peers is one of the biggest parts of maturing and coping and growing.
Do you seriously not see the difference between a GSA and a "heterosexual club"? They do not just go there to hook up and fuck, my god. They go there for support because many teachers and institutions simply will not help these kids (as made evident by this school).
If it helps you get the picture: I am straight and I've attended meetings of my college's version of the GSA. Yes, yes, we all hooked up and fucked but aside from that, we talked about how to help high schoolers start GSA's of their own. Why? The overwhelming reason was that my peers did not want young high school kids to have it as hard and lonely a road as they did. Being a gay teenager in America is not easy. Do you agree? Are you one of the people who think it shouldn't be easy?
Is it really such a terrible motivation - helping children cope with what may make that ostracized? Making children realize that it is not something to be so ashamed of?
It's not terrible. In fact, GSA's are a great thing.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
re:chobopeon Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right? Or maybe I am a nudist/exhibitionist, Shouldn't I have the right to start a nudist club? I also like S&M porn, shouldn't we have a club for that?
you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words too.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
Honestly, if this were a few decades ago and interracial relationships carried the same stigma, fuck yes you should. What would be wrong with an "interracial alliance" club in the 1950's or 60's, etc? If everyone like you was being harassed and potentially physically abused, why the fuck not try to find others and help mentally cope and advance yourself and the cause of your civil rights?
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
No. What you said is:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: This thread is already too deep for me to care enough to read every page. So someone probably already said this but, This will happen to any student regardless if they are gay,ugly,stupid,dress funny, talk funny,poor,rich,popular,emo,goth,nerd,dif race,dif religion etc. Kids will be kids (especially boys) and will ridicule anyone for anything. Its only these faggy kids who take such offense to it and feel the need to sue. Look at the ugly kids who were harassed and then do the ugly ducking thing and go on maury povich. For most of them they say it made them stronger and wouldn't go back and change it.
So what did this openly gay kid expect was going to happen if he went around acting homosexual? What does he think will happen to him in the real world? After all high school is preparing you for the real world right? If you can't handle highschool then you just suck at life regardless if you're gay. Kid needs therapy or something.
About the school, I don't know the specifics (as no one probably does or ever will, both sides lie/exaggerate). But I'm sure if a student was being harass for any reason they will issue detentions and what not to students causing the problems. However, this is just punishment. They can do absolutely nothing to change the opinions/views of students or prevent as they cannot watch every student 100% all day at school (and even after school).
The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
Did you really just relate a group promoting TOLERANCE to a GANG?
The GSA at my high-school was predominantly heterosexual. It's called gay straight alliance, not gay orgy alliance.
Are you against all mixed-sex clubs in highschool? Because they ultimately hookup/have sex. Hell, I know I joined clubs and sports to meet girls.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
lol.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
Does it seem to anyone else like homophobes (using this term broadly, I don't know enough about CM's opinions to label him a homophobe) have a hard time making up their minds?
Edit: FINAL BATTLE POLL rofl
Poll: Gays? (Vote): Yes. (Vote): I'm an idiot. (Vote): CharlieMurphy is trolling.
On January 31 2009 11:02 CharlieMurphy wrote: I heard some shit on Michael Steele this afternoon on NPR. They made a lot of reference to the barak the magic negro parody song on youtube.
I heard some affirmitive action stuff the other day, basically what they said was that although in the lower ranks there are much more diverse employees, still at the top it is 90% dominated as white male. So affirmitive action imo is just some bullshit corps use in order to look good. like the whole 'green' environment friendly shit they try to play off when in reality the dollar still rules (so maybe they are GREEN after all, lol).
Can someone even tell me the suggested benefit of affirmative action in the first place? It's just capitalist bullshit.
It's not capitalist at all, you dipshit. A capitalist would say give it to the best qualified, a non-capitalist (i.e. Socialist or Communist) would say that we need things to be "fair," so give it to a person based on something other than qualifications.
The whole idea of it--which is good in principle, but not in practice--is to attempt to eliminate the racial element of hiring people by forcing companies to have minorities on staff. The suggested benefit is that black people aren't automatically disqualified because of race, until the quota is met. The problem is that more qualified people can't be hired into particular positions because someone less qualified is being forced onto a company, which is obviously a bad thing.
At the very top of organizations, while there may be some racism, I just find it very hard to believe that a company would put a less qualified guy in charge of an entire company just because he's white. I just don't see it happening. Businesses exist to make a profit, so you need to put the best people in every position to maximize potential. Hiring strictly based on race doesn't do that, so I really don't think that's the issue there. What I think it is is that white people have had more opportunity to get into better schools, etc, because it's generally white people that have the most money, thus they look like the better option.
it is a communistic/socialistic idea/motion but the capitalist idiots use it as a tool to gain more capital.
On January 31 2009 11:02 CharlieMurphy wrote: I heard some shit on Michael Steele this afternoon on NPR. They made a lot of reference to the barak the magic negro parody song on youtube.
I heard some affirmitive action stuff the other day, basically what they said was that although in the lower ranks there are much more diverse employees, still at the top it is 90% dominated as white male. So affirmitive action imo is just some bullshit corps use in order to look good. like the whole 'green' environment friendly shit they try to play off when in reality the dollar still rules (so maybe they are GREEN after all, lol).
Can someone even tell me the suggested benefit of affirmative action in the first place? It's just capitalist bullshit.
It's not capitalist at all, you dipshit. A capitalist would say give it to the best qualified, a non-capitalist (i.e. Socialist or Communist) would say that we need things to be "fair," so give it to a person based on something other than qualifications.
The whole idea of it--which is good in principle, but not in practice--is to attempt to eliminate the racial element of hiring people by forcing companies to have minorities on staff. The suggested benefit is that black people aren't automatically disqualified because of race, until the quota is met. The problem is that more qualified people can't be hired into particular positions because someone less qualified is being forced onto a company, which is obviously a bad thing.
At the very top of organizations, while there may be some racism, I just find it very hard to believe that a company would put a less qualified guy in charge of an entire company just because he's white. I just don't see it happening. Businesses exist to make a profit, so you need to put the best people in every position to maximize potential. Hiring strictly based on race doesn't do that, so I really don't think that's the issue there. What I think it is is that white people have had more opportunity to get into better schools, etc, because it's generally white people that have the most money, thus they look like the better option.
it is a communistic/socialistic idea/motion but the capitalist idiots use it as a tool to gain more capital.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
I didn't mean that the way you guys are reading it. Worded it badly I guess. What I meant is that their purpose is not just to have a social club, there are ulterior motives.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
On April 12 2009 06:45 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.
And? That makes perfect sense. Most clubs are retarded and lame, nothing like a gang. I mean look at the key-club. This SPECIFIC scenario it's more like a gang than some do-gooders.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
lol.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
Does it seem to anyone else like homophobes (using this term broadly, I don't know enough about CM's opinions to label him a homophobe) have a hard time making up their minds?
Edit: FINAL BATTLE POLL rofl
Poll: Gays? (Vote): Yes. (Vote): I'm an idiot. (Vote): CharlieMurphy is trolling.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
lol.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
I didn't mean that the way you guys are reading it. Worded it badly I guess. What I meant is that their purpose is not just to have a social club, there are ulterior motives.
Let me complete your sentence for you. You think those ulterior motives consist basically of homosexual sex. You're so narrowminded you think that's the only reason homosexuals would want to form a club. You can't imagine that homosexuals might want to get to know each other for reasons of emotional support, community, or friendship. Quit trying to water down what you said. If you're going to be a pig, at least have the balls to acknowledge your own bigotry.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
On April 12 2009 06:45 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
No. What you said is:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.
And? That makes perfect sense. Most clubs are retarded and lame, nothing like a gang. I mean look at the key-club. This SPECIFIC scenario it's more like a gang than some do-gooders.
When has a branch of the gay straight alliance ever shot anyone, or sold drugs for profit, or endorsed any form of violence?
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to public schools. There's no need to be so loud about your opinion when you obviously have so little knowledge on the subject. This is sad, Charlie :[ You're normally a good poster.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
Let me complete your sentence for you. You think those ulterior motives consist basically of homosexual sex. You're so narrowminded you think that's the only reason homosexuals would want to form a club. You can't imagine that homosexuals might want to get to know each other for reasons of emotional support, community, or friendship. Quit trying to water down what you said. If you're going to be a pig, at least have the balls to acknowledge your own bigotry.
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No I'm not narrow minded on the subject, I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club, or any club for that matter. They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways. All I'm saying is this is a retarded situation. I'm sure OTHER and most gay clubs serve their stupid purpose but in THIS situation it seems like the kid had ulterior motives. And then he is trying to sue the school and get something out of it a few years later. [QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 12 2009 06:49 ahrara_ wrote: [QUOTE]On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right? . [QUOTE] When has a branch of the gay straight alliance ever shot anyone, or sold drugs for profit, or endorsed any form of violence?[/QUOTE]
Who said a gang has to sell drugs and shoot people? [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gang?jss=0]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gang?jss=0[/url] Like what the fuck, you are taking the most extreme literal meanings of everything I write.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
lol.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
I didn't mean that the way you guys are reading it. Worded it badly I guess. What I meant is that their purpose is not just to have a social club, there are ulterior motives.
Let me complete your sentence for you. You think those ulterior motives consist basically of homosexual sex. You're so narrowminded you think that's the only reason homosexuals would want to form a club. You can't imagine that homosexuals might want to get to know each other for reasons of emotional support, community, or friendship. Quit trying to water down what you said. If you're going to be a pig, at least have the balls to acknowledge your own bigotry.
No I'm not narrow minded on the subject, I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club, or any club for that matter. They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways. All I'm saying is this is a retarded situation. I'm sure OTHER and most gay clubs serve their stupid purpose but in THIS situation it seems like the kid had ulterior motives. And then he is trying to sue the school and get something out of it a few years later.
On April 12 2009 06:49 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
On April 12 2009 06:45 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
No. What you said is:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.
And? That makes perfect sense. Most clubs are retarded and lame, nothing like a gang. I mean look at the key-club. This SPECIFIC scenario it's more like a gang than some do-gooders.
When has a branch of the gay straight alliance ever shot anyone, or sold drugs for profit, or endorsed any form of violence?
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: you twisted my words a bit. I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
lol.
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sexwhich is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
I didn't mean that the way you guys are reading it. Worded it badly I guess. What I meant is that their purpose is not just to have a social club, there are ulterior motives.
Let me complete your sentence for you. You think those ulterior motives consist basically of homosexual sex. You're so narrowminded you think that's the only reason homosexuals would want to form a club. You can't imagine that homosexuals might want to get to know each other for reasons of emotional support, community, or friendship. Quit trying to water down what you said. If you're going to be a pig, at least have the balls to acknowledge your own bigotry.
No I'm not narrow minded on the subject, I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club, or any club for that matter. They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways. All I'm saying is this is a retarded situation. I'm sure OTHER and most gay clubs serve their stupid purpose but in THIS situation it seems like the kid had ulterior motives. And then he is trying to sue the school and get something out of it a few years later.
On April 12 2009 06:49 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: Man, I feel so insecure and isolated cause I like black women. I should start a white guy/black girl club right?
On April 12 2009 06:45 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay. You don't see people making heterosexual clubs in school. The idea is just stupid.
True gangsters watch Naruto.
you're twisting my words.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
No. What you said is:
On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo.
And? That makes perfect sense. Most clubs are retarded and lame, nothing like a gang. I mean look at the key-club. This SPECIFIC scenario it's more like a gang than some do-gooders.
When has a branch of the gay straight alliance ever shot anyone, or sold drugs for profit, or endorsed any form of violence?
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
There is such a word, however. Did you just skip all the middle stuff of that def?
So you are saying you don't wanna except the use of it? hmm sounds a bit like this discussion about accepting gays. What are you a fucking hypocrite?
On April 12 2009 08:24 CharlieMurphy wrote: No I'm not narrow minded on the subject, I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club, or any club for that matter. They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways. All I'm saying is this is a retarded situation. I'm sure OTHER and most gay clubs serve their stupid purpose but in THIS situation it seems like the kid had ulterior motives. And then he is trying to sue the school and get something out of it a few years later.
First you say:
I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club,
Then you say:
They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways.
/ˈbaɪəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bahy-uhs] Show IPA noun, adjective, adverb, verb, bi⋅ased, bi⋅as⋅ing or (especially British) bi⋅assed, bi⋅as⋅sing. –noun 1. an oblique or diagonal line of direction, esp. across a woven fabric. 2. a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.
If to you a gang = a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons, then I guess all of TL is a gang. So that's obviously not what you meant. The only definition that makes sense in context and that wouldn't have made everybody on earth into gangsters is
5. a group of persons associated for some criminal or other antisocial purpose: a gang of thieves.
or
2. a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, esp. such a group engaging in delinquent behavior.
On April 12 2009 08:24 CharlieMurphy wrote: No I'm not narrow minded on the subject, I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club, or any club for that matter. They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways. All I'm saying is this is a retarded situation. I'm sure OTHER and most gay clubs serve their stupid purpose but in THIS situation it seems like the kid had ulterior motives. And then he is trying to sue the school and get something out of it a few years later.
/ˈbaɪəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bahy-uhs] Show IPA noun, adjective, adverb, verb, bi⋅ased, bi⋅as⋅ing or (especially British) bi⋅assed, bi⋅as⋅sing. –noun 1. an oblique or diagonal line of direction, esp. across a woven fabric. 2. a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.
If to you a gang = a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons, then I guess all of TL is a gang. So that's obviously not what you meant. The only definition that makes sense in context and that wouldn't have made everybody on earth into gangsters is
2. a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, esp. such a group engaging in delinquent behavior.
Ahara stfu. You are degenerating this discussion to technical bullshit and not only is it totally irrelevant it's totally subjective based on your opinion of what the word means specifically to you. The word gang ranges from little rascals to 18th street. YOU TOOK IT TO THE MOST EXTREME MEANING, I meant somewhere in the middle. Like I said.
you say: I have no bias towards some kids who wanna start a gay club,
Then you say: They are all stupid and don't effect my life whatsoever anyways.
That makes perfect sense. I have no bias for or against any clubs. Anime, gay,music,chess whatever they're all dumb imo. What I meant, once again, is that I don't fucking care if kids start clubs.
On April 12 2009 08:36 CharlieMurphy wrote: Ahara stfu. You are degenerating this discussion to technical bullshit and not only is it totally irrelevant it's totally subjective based on your opinion of what the word means specifically to you. The word gang ranges from little rascals to 18th street. YOU TOOK IT TO THE MOST EXTREME MEANING, I meant somewhere in the middle. Like I said.
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On April 12 2009 06:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: The fact that they guy tried to start a gay club is basically equal to starting a gang imo. The whole purpose is to unite them all to be a mob mentality and so that other gay kids could meet and ultimately hookup/have sex which is not welcome in school straight or gay.
On April 12 2009 06:45 CharlieMurphy wrote: I didn't say the club was primarily for gays to fuck.
I didn't say all clubs are like gangs. What I said is they want a club so they can form a sort of defense.
On April 12 2009 07:55 CharlieMurphy wrote: What I meant is that their purpose is not just to have a social club, there are ulterior motives.
Most clubs are retarded and lame, nothing like a gang. I mean look at the key-club. This SPECIFIC scenario it's more like a gang than some do-gooders.
On April 12 2009 08:36 CharlieMurphy wrote: Ahara stfu. You are degenerating this discussion to technical bullshit and not only is it totally irrelevant it's totally subjective based on your opinion of what the word means specifically to you. The word gang ranges from little rascals to 18th street. YOU TOOK IT TO THE MOST EXTREME MEANING, I meant somewhere in the middle. Like I said.
You contradicting yourself is not technical bullshit. It is just bullshit.
On April 12 2009 08:01 CharlieMurphy wrote: irregardless of what I think, suing the school for this is beyond retarded. The school can thumbs up or down whatever the fuck they want.
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
There is such a word, however. Did you just skip all the middle stuff of that def?
So you are saying you don't wanna except the use of it? hmm sounds a bit like this discussion about accepting gays. What are you a fucking hypocrite?
I think he does want to except the use of it, he just doesn't want to accept the use of it.
On April 12 2009 08:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: dirty bandwagoners ganging up on me, I need to start a club and get a bunch of other charliemurphys together and form an alliance.
I'll join, but only if the group has ulterior motives.
On April 12 2009 08:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: dirty bandwagoners ganging up on me, I need to start a club and get a bunch of other charliemurphys together and form an alliance.
I'll join, but only if the group has ulterior motives.
I don't know about you, but I only came to this thread lookin' to fuck.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because being marginalized for arbitrary differences is standard elementary school fare.
HAHAHAHA
Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Get fucked.
hes right, everyone whos different gets picked on the only thing that makes this a legit case is if the teachers joined in on it as they claim and that they were barred from making a club. presumably a faggylittleginger club would be allowed.
On April 12 2009 08:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: dirty bandwagoners ganging up on me, I need to start a club and get a bunch of other charliemurphys together and form an alliance.
I'll join, but only if the group has ulterior motives.
I don't know about you, but I only came to this thread lookin' to fuck.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
If some guy spat on you for being a ginger and you went to a teacher to complain and they did nothing because of your hair colour then they'd be failing you. If you then tried to set up a rival body to defend gingers from harassment and they disallowed it because they thought it might make others think it's okay they'd be failing you again.
Yeah, kids get picked on. It sucks. The duty of the teachers and the principal is to protect the students and act in a fair and impartial manner. They failed the gays here, not out of incompetence but deliberately.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
Any self-respecting american detests these superfluous lawsuits. They validate an ugly stereotype about our comfort-obsessed culture.
I know you've gone right wing and crazy (Stimey much?) lately, but are you fucking serious? "Everyone gets picked on" isn't a valid reason for school officials to not stop abuse. Surely you can admit that the job of school administration is to create a decent learning environment and protect the students who go to their school. It's a public institution, and parents don't send children to school to learn to be "thick skinned in the real world," especially since in the real world people who physically abuse others are sent to prison.
What you probably mean to say is that you're tired of frivolous lawsuits in general, and that might often be the case but here it's not, and I think you're being a contrarian just for the sake of being one.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
Any self-respecting american detests these superfluous lawsuits. They validate an ugly stereotype about our comfort-obsessed culture.
hahaha, someone told headbangaa to get fucked for being an intolerant dick and he responds by calling them a nazi/fascist three times. this thread never ceases to deliver.
kid has the right to sue but not for millions...maybe if someone beat the crap out of him then he could sue for millions.... but then again I would try to sue for millions if I could.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
On April 13 2009 12:45 DeathSpank wrote: kid has the right to sue but not for millions...maybe if someone beat the crap out of him then he could sue for millions.... but then again I would try to sue for millions if I could.
Courts let people sue for large sums of money in these cases so that other schools practicing discriminatory policies will get the message. The courts would much rather let a few schools be sued for a lot then have to file the paper work for all of them. It might not be truely moral but its an effective way to deal with it.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
Any self-respecting american detests these superfluous lawsuits. They validate an ugly stereotype about our comfort-obsessed culture.
I know you've gone right wing and crazy (Stimey much?) lately, but are you fucking serious? "Everyone gets picked on" isn't a valid reason for school officials to not stop abuse. Surely you can admit that the job of school administration is to create a decent learning environment and protect the students who go to their school. It's a public institution, and parents don't send children to school to learn to be "thick skinned in the real world," especially since in the real world people who physically abuse others are sent to prison.
What you probably mean to say is that you're tired of frivolous lawsuits in general, and that might often be the case but here it's not, and I think you're being a contrarian just for the sake of being one.
So your position is that, when someone teases a child at school, if the administration doesn't interject, they should be sued.
And yes, the neotolerance ideologues are social fascists.
And it's funny, Jibba, your comment on my politics. Aren't you a frothing Obamaniac? He's sold us out to the banks, put wallstreet in the white house, and broken most his campaign promises already. Good eye on that one, hoss.
On April 14 2009 02:35 bubblegumbo wrote: Lets have a union for straight guys and girls.
Oh and lets have an all-white union too, haven't seen those around now days in high schools.
Oh wait.
Wow man. That is just sad. Do you high five some imaginary friends when coming up with these words?
It's one thing to discuss if it's ok to sue the school or not. But c'mon man. You can't be that ignorant. You obviously didn't read the thread nor do you have the slightest idea what a gay-straight alliance is.
On April 12 2009 05:12 HeadBangaa wrote: Because surely, the slight bemusement some kids may have at the sake of your red head is as serious a problem as homophobia.
Hahaha
My my my, you are quite the politically correct nazi, aren't you?
Answer me this, social fascist: Would you characterize "slight bemusement" at someone's sexuality as "homophobia"? Of course you would. Becuase you're a moron.
Teasing someone for their sexuality is the same as teasing someone for their skin color, hair color, height, and any other inherent trait. It's a process we all went through, and we are better for it. You need to be thick-skinned in the real world; stop playing the race card/gay card you goddamn neo-tolerance nazi.
Any self-respecting american detests these superfluous lawsuits. They validate an ugly stereotype about our comfort-obsessed culture.
I know you've gone right wing and crazy (Stimey much?) lately, but are you fucking serious? "Everyone gets picked on" isn't a valid reason for school officials to not stop abuse. Surely you can admit that the job of school administration is to create a decent learning environment and protect the students who go to their school. It's a public institution, and parents don't send children to school to learn to be "thick skinned in the real world," especially since in the real world people who physically abuse others are sent to prison.
What you probably mean to say is that you're tired of frivolous lawsuits in general, and that might often be the case but here it's not, and I think you're being a contrarian just for the sake of being one.
So your position is that, when someone teases a child at school, if the administration doesn't interject, they should be sued.
When the administration is appealed to and doesn't interject, yes. How can you possibly think the administration has no place protecting its students? And not just protection from teasing, but protecting their first amendment rights as well.
Hell, you could take the position that the students are misrepresenting the facts and are just one side of the story, but if what they say is true, there's no reason they shouldn't have been allowed to form an organization.
And yes, the neotolerance ideologues are social fascists.
And it's funny, Jibba, your comment on my politics. Aren't you a frothing Obamaniac? He's sold us out to the banks, put wallstreet in the white house, and broken most his campaign promises already. Good eye on that one, hoss.
Wrong, and wrong. Good luck trying to pinpoint my ideology though.
a similar thing happened at a high school im wyoming, where a bunch of students ganged up on this kid who was gay and beat him up and left him to die (he did). people really need to just accept people for who they are, like who the fuck cares if someone's gay. its irrelevant to your life
On April 17 2009 07:42 funnybananaman94 wrote: a similar thing happened at a high school im wyoming, where a bunch of students ganged up on this kid who was gay and beat him up and left him to die (he did). people really need to just accept people for who they are, like who the fuck cares if someone's gay. its irrelevant to your life
Yuk, the Dems are committed to passing "hate crime" legislation over Matthew Shepard. The murder was horrible. Prosecute based on the horror of the act rather than the "thought crime" behind the crime.
That said I think the girl should invite some gay rights advocates to picket the school in addition to filing the suit. Ship in enough gay activists and the school will beg her to stop it.
On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote: Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
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