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On April 11 2009 13:44 Sirakor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 13:38 Valentine wrote:On April 11 2009 13:34 Sirakor wrote:
Should the school do something about it? Sure. Should you sue everytime against anything that doesn't work out in your favour? Maybe in the US. I mean c'mon let's hear the court cases of obese discrimination, sexism at prep school, eye-sight-correction-devices-bearer discrimination and what-not. The dude has every right to choose and live his sexuality, but he should've done something about it then. And if not him, then his sister or parents. The point is to do it though when you can still change something, and not bitch about it years later. His name is prat though, so errr ... Well, the truth is that it was his sister who pretty much revived the issue. After he had already dropped out, when she got to the high school she tried to create a Gay-Straight alliance on her own, and was turned down as well, which caused them both to think about it again. I understand how you think it isn't a big deal, and I kind of agree that it should have been solved before, but fact being that nothing had happened for long enough, it's about time someone stepped up the situation. But that's just my two cents ' -'a Oh sorry, I must've overlooked that part in the OP. I was under the impression that it was a 2004 incident that they try to bring to court now. I he tried then and failed, and the school still hasnt learned the lesson, then I agree that something should definitely happen. Now whether it's then the wisest and also most efficient choice to sue, I'm not so sure. I can't judge what they have tried and what they haven't, but surely leading people to understand the issue is better than to have them bend (and internally resist the more) to force? Anyways, if they have tried and see no other way out then it's only fair enough. I just have this presumption that taking things to court is sometimes a bit too fashionable these days ...
In any case, its odd that the school denied the request to establish the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).
Schools without a GSA-esque club are definitely in the minority in Southern California.
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not gay myself, i definitely believe that the school deserved to be sued
r u fucking kidding me this guy got hardcore abused because he was gay? give me a fucking break. that school definitely deserves to be sued
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On April 11 2009 13:47 StrikeFLOW wrote:
In any case, its odd that the school denied the request to establish the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).
I agree. It would be interesting to know the reason for denying the request ...
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On April 11 2009 13:53 Sirakor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 13:47 StrikeFLOW wrote:
In any case, its odd that the school denied the request to establish the GSA (Gay Straight Alliance).
I agree. It would be interesting to know the reason for denying the request ...
Depends on the school how it operates... easy way to deny a club in my hs district is that the club doesn't have a teacher or teacher like staff member willing to supervise it and give us their room. Although that was easly overlooked if you knew the right teachers who would illegaly lend us their room for clubs and just leave but there was an understanding if we get caught we broke in 
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the school's actions were inexcusable.
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i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
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Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way
What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it.
Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware.
That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance."
On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote:
i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err...
For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
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On April 11 2009 13:58 Kennelie wrote:
this thread is too gay.
Kennelie wanted everyone to know that he made epic 1000th post.
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I really don't like gays & that just my opinion, I think the school shouldn't be sued.
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There's a lot going on in this case. And I don't have the time or the interest to talk about every issue. But as to whether a school should be sued because students harrass a kid I say the answer should almost always be no.
Getting mocked in school is life. And no teacher or administrator can stop it completely. There'll always be bullies.
We don't know what happened yet. We only know what the guy is alleging. But, regarding what the students did (and I'm intentionally not discussing the alleged actions of any person with school authority), honestly, my moral outrage switch just isn't getting flipped. In fact, my initial reaction is"whiny baby; tons of geeks have dealt with worse."
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The question is why is a 20 year old school in high school
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On April 11 2009 14:10 Clasic wrote:
I really don't like gays & that just my opinion, I think the school shouldn't be sued.
And what have gays done to you to warrant that? In other news, I really don't like you & that's just my opinion... see hating for pointless reason is utter stupidity.
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On April 11 2009 14:13 il0seonpurpose wrote:
The question is why is a 20 year old school in high school
The question is answered very clearly in the article itself >.>
+ Show Spoiler +He's not. 
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On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote:
i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
You make a good point, but wouldn't denying the student body a gay straight alliance bring more exposure to the situtation? If they allowed the club to be formed, then only its members and their friends would know about it and attend it. However, the school denied it, and how they are being sued. So anyone who didn't know about this would now certaintly be exposed it now that its big news. I know when I was high school, there was a lot of stuff I should have never been exposed too, but somehow I ended up hearing about them only being the adminstration was trying to "protect" the students.
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On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote:
i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves.
haha, man you are fucking stupid
take a look at what you just wrote
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On April 11 2009 14:09 Trumpet wrote:Forewarning: I'm from the south. Something tells me I saw things in a different light growing up, so I might be asking incredibly stupid question. With that out of the way What is a gay straight alliance? Not a single school in my state (Louisiana) has one that I know of, my catholic one certainly didn't. The name sounds like making the "male + female club." Gay straight alliance encompasses everyone, so if someone brought that up to me that's why I'd deny it. Now if it's just a gay club, that's 100% fine; but why can't it be called that? Long as it's not a gays only club I don't see any problem arising there. My school definitely had things like Asian club, which is virtually the same thing as far as I'm aware. That aside, suing for being bullied in high school? Seriously? I guess if he really was spit on / other arbitrarily harsh things and teachers really turned a blind eye to it, they've got a point; but everything else seemed like he was in a public high school and wasn't an athlete. There's got to be more to this than the school not allowing a "Gay Straight Alliance." Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 14:07 food wrote:
i dont think underage population should be exposed to the idea of being gay at their own school. If you know teenage psychology at all you wouldnt ever allow this to happen. Its not the time when they can make any reasonable choice, maybe some people are "born gay", but a ton will go with the popular trend. The very existence of gay communities at any school is fucking ridiculous to me. And with the mainstream pouring gay bullshit on everyone its definitely considered "cool" being gay or "bi". For fucks sake, let them kids grow up then decide for themselves. I suppose I don't know teenage psychology so well then, but err... For correctness sake wouldn't it be massively worse to force everyone as heterosexual when some are clearly not? Seems like you've got a clear prejudice, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
you dont force everyone to be heterosexual, maybe you shouldnt even bring this up at your school since it will get a lot of unnecessary attention. Why even break people down into gay or heterosexual? You dont ever have to bring this up on a school level officially and it wouldnt be as much of an issue. Whats the purpose of havign a gay community at school, if you treating everyone equally? Is there a "straight" community anywhere? Your logic is really flawed here, in my opinion gay communities strive for attention, thats why there are many "gay clubs" or "alliances" out there only to throw the word out. They also love to be a part of every scandal that involves their rights being violated. I dont think this type of shit should ever be brought up at schools, what does it have to do with the school system anyways?
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