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Affirmative Action in 2009 - Page 2
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Archaic
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yoshtodd
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
On January 31 2009 10:58 Savio wrote: Now, this thread should not be a debate over whether or not there are racists in America still. There are plenty of people who hate Catholics, Mormons, Jews, LGBTs, and any other subgroup you could name. Not to be a dick, bot none of those are races. I wouldn't equate racism with hatred of religions in most cases.That's just kind of a pet peeve of mine. As far as affirmative action goes, there are still a lot of places in America where African Americans are still born into poverty directly as a consequence of slavery. That said, I think the best way to eliminate that problem is to invest more into schools in inner cities, ghettos and etc. Just my two cents. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On January 31 2009 13:18 Meta wrote: As far as affirmative action goes, there are still a lot of places in America where African Americans are still born into poverty directly as a consequence of slavery. That said, I think the best way to eliminate that problem is to invest more into schools in inner cities, ghettos and etc. Just my two cents. Agreed. Basically, we give middle/upper class students (who are more often white) a disproportionate amount of educational opportunity through high school, then "offset" this by making it easier for non-Asian minorities to get into college/get jobs. Both illogical and an inefficient use of resources. It'd be better to give everyone an equal opportunity from the beginning and then treat everyone equally. | ||
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lilpwnyIII
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On January 31 2009 10:58 Savio wrote: Now, this thread should not be a debate over whether or not there are racists in America still. There are plenty of people who hate Catholics, Mormons, Jews, LGBTs, and any other subgroup you could name. The question is whether racism is still such a strong force in our country that the government must require institutions to accept or hire a certain number of minorities even if the institution feels there are not enough qualified applicants of that race. Hating a Catholic or Mormon is not racism. It is prejudice. As for Affirmative-Action, it should be eliminated. In Canada we still have this ridiculous law. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 31 2009 12:02 MoltkeWarding wrote: Affirmative Action should be kept, but recalibrated to favour white students. As minority students largely gain a competitive equality through being raised in abusive patriarchal households, limiting their entry into higher education will lower the parents' incentive to abuse their children. Furthermore such a system will once again favour natural talent, over the inflated admission of en rote learners. hahahaha | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:15 rushz0rz wrote: There wasn't even any slavery in Canada for god sakes. The only bad thing Canada ever did was the railroads. Generally though, we didn't put our minorities drastically behind.Hating a Catholic or Mormon is not racism. It is prejudice. As for Affirmative-Action, it should be eliminated. In Canada we still have this ridiculous law. God damn its stupid. Well to be honest, its stupid to do affirmative action even if your country was involved in slavery or anything that put minority families behind economically. No one should be discriminated against for their ancestors mistakes. Yeah economic inequality is unfortunate, but it will take centuries to undue through hard work...and time. Not discrimination. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
On January 31 2009 12:02 MoltkeWarding wrote: Affirmative Action should be kept, but recalibrated to favour white students. As minority students largely gain a competitive equality through being raised in abusive patriarchal households, limiting their entry into higher education will lower the parents' incentive to abuse their children. Furthermore such a system will once again favour natural talent, over the inflated admission of en rote learners. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IT'S FUNNY COZ HE MEANS IT Anyway, I keep hearing this about how "helping socioeconomically" is a better alternative. But enacting such a policy doesn't mean we shouldn't do AA, because we can do BOTH at the same time. There is no reason we can't have a program that helps impoverished students and black students at the same time. Saying that we can help economically disadvantaged students instead is not a reason to not do affirmative action. The benefit of AA is that it not only helps the disadvantaged, but by promoting minorities into higher social strata, it fights against racial prejudices. For that reason, I'm all for AA, whether or not it may seem fair, because racism does a lot more harm in general than rejecting a few asian kids from CAL. Also, to my fellow asians: Seriously? What the hell are you bitching about. I mean, seriously? Really? LR goes to CAL for fuck's sake, which BTW is legally barred from discriminating by race. The rest of you I'm sure drive cars worth more than all the real estate in Mogadishu combined. The money you pay every year in speeding tickets alone could feed a small sub-saharan nation. Sometimes I hate my own race. You guys are like the Kanye West of races. You have everything you could ever want, you're viewed as a model minority, employers see us as a BOON, and yet you bitch about how the government doesn't like you. Oh boo hoo, cry me a fucking river and go drown in it, the world could care less. And christ think for a second. Our success has nothing to do with our "working hard" which some jackass said earlier. It has to do with the fact that the huge ocean that separates us from America guarantees that only the wealthiest and most successful of us could get here. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:46 ahrara_ wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IT'S FUNNY COZ HE MEANS IT Anyway, I keep hearing this about how "helping socioeconomically" is a better alternative. But enacting such a policy doesn't mean we shouldn't do AA, because we can do BOTH at the same time. There is no reason we can't have a program that helps impoverished students and black students at the same time. Saying that we can help economically disadvantaged students instead is not a reason to not do affirmative action. The benefit of AA is that it not only helps the disadvantaged, but by promoting minorities into higher social strata, it fights against racial prejudices. For that reason, I'm all for AA, whether or not it may seem fair, because racism does a lot more harm in general than rejecting a few asian kids from CAL. Also, to my fellow asians: Seriously? What the hell are you bitching about. I mean, seriously? Really? LR goes to CAL for fuck's sake, which BTW is legally barred from discriminating by race. The rest of you I'm sure drive cars worth more than all the real estate in Mogadishu combined. Sometimes I hate my own race. You guys are like the Kanye West of races. You have everything you could ever want, you're viewed as a model minority, employers see us as a BOON, and yet you bitch about how the government doesn't like you. Oh boo hoo, cry me a fucking river and go drown in it, the world could care less. And christ think for a second. Our success has nothing to do with our "working hard" which some jackass said earlier. It has to do with the fact that the huge ocean that separates us from America guarantees that only the wealthiest and most successful of us could get here. I go to Cal and am incredibly proud of the fact that the University of California is the closest thing to a meritocratic college we have in this bloody country. -___________-; | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 31 2009 12:52 Savio wrote: It is.I think this is essentially what Obama's stance is as well BTW, Savio, I suggest you read this for a great bit of post-modern history. http://www.amazon.com/When-Affirmative-Action-White-Twentieth-Century/dp/0393052133 | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
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Alizee-
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:51 Last Romantic wrote: I go to Cal and am incredibly proud of the fact that the University of California is the closest thing to a meritocratic college we have in this bloody country. -___________-; Even if it's true, you're using your own standard of merit which is subtle discrimination in itself. The early CCNY/CUNY open admissions program would be an interesting way to go. Open admissions with extremely rigorous academics, and if you aren't excelling after your sophomore year, you're out. It's a shame Giulliani made them axe it. There's a reason more Nobel laureates graduated from there than your beloved Cal.  | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:53 ahrara_ wrote: So because AA requires a sacrifice on behalf of asians we shouldn't do it? why the hell should we be forced to sacrifice for something i will gladly deal with this affirmative action crap if there is affirmative action for asians in the NFL/NHL/NBA. And don't give me that Yao ming crap. | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
Fair right? And to top it off, after high school these same black kids will get an even better chance at getting into college because of being black. My sister on the other hand will have to get straight A's and a near perfect act/sat to even be looked at. | ||
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