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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
"According to a new study typical gamers are more likely to be (via Kotaku) virulent "drunk self-haters". This means gamers will drink alcohol or use drugs more often than others. The same study also unveils that gaming weakens relationships and that gamers are suffering from self-esteem problems." http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/21718-Study_Gamers_to_be_drunk_selfhaters | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
"The most striking part is that everything we found clustered around video game use is negative," said Prof Laura Walker, from Brigham Young University, in Utah, who led the study." - lol What is this 'getting a high score' business. Most people are playing vs others online, there is no 'high score'. Obviously a noob "Research into the habits of more than 800 university students found that most of the men asked, 55 per cent, were regular players, using their games console at least every other day. By contrast, only around 7 per cent of women admitted that they played computer games that often. " Wasn't there also other studies that said there were more female gamers than men? (obviously not in Utah) PS- Title of the articles says 'computer games' while the content talks about consoles. Big difference too imo | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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TrainReq
Canada113 Posts
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:20 TrainReq wrote: I'm guessing the Professor who conducted this research is also into female rights activism. I dunno, I think she's just mormon. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:25 MuR)Ernu wrote: for me it seems like those who DONT play games AT ALL, are more likely to be drunk all the time. lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Games are actually my anti drug, if there were no games I would have to fill that time up with something else. Not only that but I would probably commit more crimes without games. And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. | ||
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TrainReq
Canada113 Posts
That could easily be right as well. Regardless, she should probably stop doing what she does. | ||
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aokces
United States309 Posts
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TrainReq
Canada113 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Luckily I don't drink, so I'll never resort to that. Starcraft is a much better stress reliever. | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
What is interesting is that the university is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that demand their students to follow a honor code system, which will later mandate behavior with Mormon teachings. On the other hand the system used by the students refuses them to use drugs, alcohol, tea, coffee or extra-marital sex. I think there's the reason for their being self hating drunks. | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/video-games-linked-to-poor-relationships-513275 | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01245/gamers_beer_1245542c.jpg) Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
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Kerensky
148 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? eewww....look like shallow ponce yachties....what a disgusting photo :3 | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
Oh and I'm a sober self-hater but I also suck at computergames. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? Is it me or are they plaing N64 and gamecube at the same time lol | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? Is it me or are they plaing N64 and gamecube at the same time lol See they must be wasted really bad lol | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote: YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA The study shows a correlation between negative effects and video gaming. It doesn't try to determine causality. People often misinterpret correlational studies, the useful thing about this study is that because of this evidence social programs can be erected to support or keep an eye out for gamers, and determine if these effects are problematic. Like I said, contrary to what a lot of people think in this thread, it doesn't try to determine causality, there's no need to get all defensive about video gaming. Proving that video games impact people who are otherwise more 'normal' will be incredibly hard to prove and I believe that the most likely cause will be found in personality, mainly introverted males. I doubt games exacerbate the effects of antisocial behavior but you never know. | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:45 IzzyCraft wrote: Is it me or are they plaing N64 and gamecube at the same time lol See they must be wasted really bad lol hahahaa | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:48 Frits wrote: The study shows a correlation between negative effects and video gaming. It doesn't try to determine causality. People often misinterpret correlational studies, the useful thing about this study is that because of this evidence social programs can be erected to support or keep an eye out for gamers, and determine if these effects are problematic. Like I said, contrary to what a lot of people think in this thread, it doesn't try to determine causality, there's no need to get all defensive about video gaming. Proving that video games impact people who are otherwise more 'normal' will be incredibly hard to prove and I believe that the most likely cause will be found in personality, mainly introverted males. I doubt games exacerbate the effects of antisocial behavior but you never know. true but everyone that reads the studies interprets them that way and the news portrays it that way | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
WAS SO INTENSe i was a really good counterstrike player, but i never played as good as on acid. It has like a amphetamine like quality which causes you to concentrate REALLY GOOD, like aimbot, reaction time x5. PLUS all the walls and stuff were moving. i really recommend that | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Games are actually my anti drug, if there were no games I would have to fill that time up with something else. Not only that but I would probably commit more crimes without games. And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. Why are you using anecdotal evidence when it's not even relevant, are you an university student? Are your friends university students? The study doesn't have to be representative for all groups of the population. Also I think you're confused with the definition of 'more likely', this study shows that gamers are more likely people who tend to drink a lot or become heavy drinkers than other people, or show other antisocial behavior. This doesn't mean that non gamers can't be heavy drinkers. And what's so funny about Laura Walker, I've been pondering this for 10 minutes now lol. I hope you realize that in science there is no authority and articles are strictly judged by their content. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
They are so tedious and most of the time you are bored when you play it. So you might want to get wasted, so its more fun. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote: YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA Hm, as disgusting as it sounds he actually is right. And the study sucks from that point of view: the logical sequences are completely fucked up. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Games are actually my anti drug, if there were no games I would have to fill that time up with something else. Not only that but I would probably commit more crimes without games. And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. Yeah, but most people here are speaking from the point of view as competitive gamers. I know I have met, and know, loser gamers who fit pretty much exactly what this study says. Guys who sit at home and drink by themselves while masturbating to anime porn, and playing RPG's (and this is not a joke, I really know people who do that). I think we can all agree that there are different "sects" of gamers, and there is definitely a group of them that would fit exactly what they're talking about here. I also know people that have had relationships ruined because they'd rather play a game over spending time with their gf, or whatever. The thing is, and I agree with Rekrul here, most people that play games like that turn to games because they suck at everything else in life. The games are an outlet, not a cause. EDIT: Before Frits gets on me about it being a correlational study, I know that, and I know that it's not determining causality. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? HAHHAHHA oh my goodness this one's awesome too, it's the accompanying photograph from the sk-gaming article in the op: ![[image loading]](http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/cd9ca3d182fe0cfcm.jpg) this is the fate of all gamers, look at how wretched this one looks | ||
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SmoKing2012
United States385 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote: And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. But it's fun to try | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 05:31 intrigue wrote: HAHHAHHA oh my goodness this one's awesome too, it's the accompanying photograph from the sk-gaming article in the op: this is the fate of all gamers, look at how wretched this one looks The lady on the right, drinking the beer, looks like a crackhead. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Ideas
United States8100 Posts
Basically all studies are bullshit (even non-game related ones) though | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 05:26 Cheerio wrote: Hm, as disgusting as it sounds he actually is right. And the study sucks from that point of view: the logical sequences are completely fucked up. Yeah but the study doesn't contradict what rekrul says at all, his observation that the media is largely responsible for the anti gamer stance of society is much more interesting. You can't really blame a scientist when it's manipulative idiots who abuse or misinterpret this kind of information and use it to further their own agenda. Also I think studies like these are incredibly important in modern liberal societies because they keep us convinced of the fact that we can change and better people. Im saying this because I'd hate to see people take a stance against the innocent party (social scientists) here which only makes the position of manipulative idiots in the media stronger. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:48 Frits wrote: The study shows a correlation between negative effects and video gaming. It doesn't try to determine causality. People often misinterpret correlational studies, the useful thing about this study is that because of this evidence social programs can be erected to support or keep an eye out for gamers, and determine if these effects are problematic. Like I said, contrary to what a lot of people think in this thread, it doesn't try to determine causality, there's no need to get all defensive about video gaming. Proving that video games impact people who are otherwise more 'normal' will be incredibly hard to prove and I believe that the most likely cause will be found in personality, mainly introverted males. I doubt games exacerbate the effects of antisocial behavior but you never know. I was gonna say something like that too when rek posted but most of these 'studies' are all like this, and the underlying message is that games are bad regardless if its a loose correlation or not, which is bullshit. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 25 2009 05:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Yeah, but most people here are speaking from the point of view as competitive gamers. I know I have met, and know, loser gamers who fit pretty much exactly what this study says. Guys who sit at home and drink by themselves while masturbating to anime porn, and playing RPG's (and this is not a joke, I really know people who do that). I think we can all agree that there are different "sects" of gamers, and there is definitely a group of them that would fit exactly what they're talking about here. I also know people that have had relationships ruined because they'd rather play a game over spending time with their gf, or whatever. The thing is, and I agree with Rekrul here, most people that play games like that turn to games because they suck at everything else in life. The games are an outlet, not a cause. EDIT: Before Frits gets on me about it being a correlational study, I know that, and I know that it's not determining causality. You said it yourself, there are different 'sects' of games. Therefor this study is just like saying women are more likely to wear sandals because of their low self esteem. There are all different types of women and you can't just stereotype them in a lump like that. | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
and also they studied one state. Utah is like... in the middle of theUS. and they could be having more teenager problems than usual right now. not a fair study if u ask me. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
Too many extraneous factors to make such a concrete conclusion | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 05:49 CharlieMurphy wrote: I was gonna say something like that too when rek posted but most of these 'studies' are all like this, and the underlying message is that games are bad regardless if its a loose correlation or not, which is bullshit. "Most of these studies are like this." That's like saying most apples taste like apples. Im not sure what you mean with "this", if you mean they all point towards the same evidence I don't see how it does anything but strengthen it. If with "this" you mean they are conducting their research in such a way that they are looking for an answer instead of finding out what's really going on, I'd say a pretty harsh conviction, which you can't be sure of without looking at the way they tested their nullhypotheses (both ways, or one way) accompanied by the theory they used. This is all statistical stuff which most people probably don't know a lot about but trust me when I say that published articles are peer reviewed by other researchers try to take out any bias or other stuff, and it is not published until it is found reasonable. And if you want to read the underlying message of an article, you have to look up the article and read the discussion part at the end of it, where they talk about implications and discuss their findings. Also who says there is a loose correlation? It might just as well be strong, the point is, correlational studies never determine causality, ever. That fact alone undermines the point that this is a study biased against gamers. On January 25 2009 05:57 CharlieMurphy wrote: You said it yourself, there are different 'sects' of games. Therefor this study is just like saying women are more likely to wear sandals because of their low self esteem. There are all different types of women and you can't just stereotype them in a lump like that. Bias is a danger in any study, like the fact that they only looked at university students, which is definately a flaw. Saying that this study stereotypes gamers however is going a little too far, Im pretty sure gamers have the fact that they play games in common for one. :p Some play less and somep lay more, which is the case with any research. Saying they didn't took this into account is kinda jumping the gun. Besides, before you determine correlation you have to look at the distribution of the gamers, apparently they thought that it was divided in a way that didn't make them feel as if gamers had to be divided in smaller populations first. If the correlation is only found in the people who play more than the less hardcore gamers Im sure they would've mentioned it. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
http://www.myfoxutah.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8302607&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
the article http://www.springerlink.com/content/w487673k5415k142/fulltext.pdf | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:04 Sonu wrote: this is bs. yeah some people start to be loners... but thats some people.. and also they studied one state. Utah is like... in the middle of theUS. and they could be having more teenager problems than usual right now. not a fair study if u ask me. Imo loner ---> loner gamer, not gamer ---> gamer loner. Unless it was WoW that did to to them hehehe. Play games as a loner is really far less fun than playing games with irl friends anyway, I think most of us can relate that having friends play SC with you makes it way more fun due to rivalries. | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
it was sent to 800 college student, who by taking the survey can earn credit/vouchers through their class. lol.. nice bias | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote: YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
However she did say that she did not expect to find this result in the study so maybe it was not as biased as i thought. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9236/faillt6.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://g.imageshack.us/img140/faillt6.jpg/1/) | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote: These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit. EDIT: Totally worded that wrong. I meant to say that it does show a correlation, it doesn't show that what the cause is. So, it's not a causal study. I think you're confused on what a correlation is. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote: YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA true | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
Yeah i noticed that too lol it's def to prove they are totaly into drugs and alchol totally just wasted. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:49 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: It isn't a correlational study, no shit it doesn't prove a correlation. It doesn't claim to. It says right here: A new study says that gamers are more likely to be "drunk self-haters". How is that not claiming a positive correlation? Definately seems like it to me. I mean I GUESS it could be that it's not really a linear relation at all but that'd surprise me because it seems like the study is based on that. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:17 CharlieMurphy wrote: rofl, wasn't there some other study that said gamers are more likely to be in better health than that of the average american? That was an anonymous online survey taken for a free item, this was a psychological study. I know gamers always hate being criticized, but this study has some merit. It didn't find causality, just a linkage which is not surprising. Regular gamers were also around 10 per cent more likely to drink alcohol and take drugs than students who rarely played the games. Those who played computer games every day were three times as likely to use cannabis as those who never played, the findings, published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, show. As the amount of time spent playing the games increased, the quality of relationships with friends and parents deteriorated, the study also found, although the effects were described as "modest" Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. "It may be that young adults remove themselves from important social settings to play video games, or that people who already struggle with relationships are trying to find other ways to spend their time," she said. "My guess is that it's some of both and becomes circular." It's still got some issues since it doesn't account for a few important factors, like the actual amount of time spent gaming, but does it really surprise any of you that gamers are more likely to have low self esteem or relationship problems? Try taking a look at the blog section... | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:02 Frits wrote: It says right here: How is that not claiming a positive correlation? Definately seems like it to me. I edited, because I confused the words "correlational" and "causal" somehow. I don't know how I did that, but I did. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote: These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit. What do you think correlate means? It's honestly a bit amusing seeing everyone here jump into defensive mode. Most people would agree with Rekrul yet they hate the research because SK gaming did a shitty job explaining the article. | ||
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stack
Canada348 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
Anyone who thinks this research is useless/doesn't prove anything is clueless about scientific research or in hardcore denial. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:14 Frits wrote: Anyone who thinks this research is useless/doesn't prove anything is clueless about scientific research or in hardcore denial. Yep. Even if it's seemingly obvious and intuitive, legitimate research needs to be done before any policies are made by companies/doctors/hospitals/government/etc. It's like the driving with cell phone studies. No shit, txting at the wheel is dangerous but they need some empirical proof before they make it a crime. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:18 Jibba wrote: Yep. Even if it's seemingly obvious and intuitive, legitimate research needs to be done before any policies are made by companies/doctors/hospitals/government/etc. It's like the driving with cell phone studies. No shit, txting at the wheel is dangerous but they need some empirical proof before they make it a crime. Funny you should mention that because it reminds me of the economical component vs moral considerations. A big influence is that if it wasn't so good for the economy texting/calling behind the wheel would be outlawed a long time ago. It's known to be as dangerous as driving with twice the legal amount of alcohol in your system. That same system actually works in the favor of gaming, before they take any action in such a huge business they'll make damn sure that it's worth it, with hard evidence of causality and the consequences would have to be that it's turning a lot of people antisocial. It's not like they will or even can suddenly take away gaming in liberal countries. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:07 Jibba wrote: What do you think correlate means? It's honestly a bit amusing seeing everyone here jump into defensive mode. Most people would agree with Rekrul yet they hate the research because SK gaming did a shitty job explaining the article. Sorry, let me rephrase that. They may be correlated, but this correlation does not indicate that gaming causes this type of behaviour. | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:29 Fontong wrote: Imo loner ---> loner gamer, not gamer ---> gamer loner. Unless it was WoW that did to to them hehehe. Play games as a loner is really far less fun than playing games with irl friends anyway, I think most of us can relate that having friends play SC with you makes it way more fun due to rivalries. I agree that playing wth friends is more fun. But i still think this study wasnt a very good one. Only 800 students? and in Utah? Wat about other states. or other countries. I watched the video... and i still think this is a badly done study. a good concept. just the way they did it was bad | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
Conclusion A--->B or B--->A (can be a lot more complex like C---->A and B) and the conclusion the most convenient to the 'scientist' preconceptions is chosen. These people should be shunned from the scientific community with their pre-kindergarden logic. And burned to the stake in the name of progress. | ||
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Drakill Tannan
Mexico13 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
I don't use drugs at all. I don't have low self-esteem I think Dr. Laura is a fucking ignorant. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:09 MeriaDoKk wrote: I don't drink, don't use drugs, but smoke like 1 box a day. idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u dont get any effect from smoking LOL!!!!!!!!!! but its SUPER HARMFUL why man? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:13 MarklarMarklar wrote: idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u dont get any effect from smoking LOL!!!!!!!!!! but its SUPER HARMFUL why man? hahaha, doesn't do any of the worthwhile drugs but "oh yea i do the most retarded one". | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:51 Resonance wrote: Sorry, let me rephrase that. They may be correlated, but this correlation does not indicate that gaming causes this type of behaviour. So you agree with what they reported. Jesus people... whatever happened to TL's 190 IQ. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:16 CharlieMurphy wrote: I think I would rather rail a line of coke every morning than smoke a pack of cigs every day. I just KNEW there would be an explanation. I love you charlie. | ||
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SmoKing2012
United States385 Posts
On January 25 2009 06:47 Not_Computer wrote: good catch although as a self hating drunk pothead I can't really argue the study | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
"Female gamers were more likely to suffer low self-esteem than other women, an effect not seen among male players, the study found." And above that: "By contrast, only around 7 per cent of women admitted that they played computer games that often." | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
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Calyx
United States49 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:28 TrainReq wrote: That could easily be right as well. Regardless, she should probably stop doing what she does. breathing? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
People who breathe are significantly more violent than people who don't. | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:50 Jibba wrote: People who breathe are significantly more violent than people who don't. Unless you are counting zombies. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 25 2009 09:21 Jibba wrote: So you agree with what they reported. Jesus people... whatever happened to TL's 190 IQ. ? No I don't. Stop trying to mix up my words. I disagree with the study, b/c it does not prove anything. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On January 25 2009 07:14 Frits wrote: Anyone who thinks this research is useless/doesn't prove anything is clueless about scientific research or in hardcore denial. - did u read the paper? if u did post it, if u didn't you can't claim that... + Show Spoiler + and btw getting peer reviewed and published don't mean shit either, there is a lot of shit for science being peer reviewed and published out there, that journal included - how was the online questionnaire distributed? was it send to all students needing the credits? was it posted at 4chan? u get the point.. depending on whom the questionnaires were sent to, and what questions u address, one can find just about any correlation (click on me if u don't agree).. - on what she said alone in that interview u can definitively claim unacceptable bias, and if it true that the study was based solely on an "online" questionnaire, only "college students" from their own university, only "800" individuals were involved to study highly prevalent behaviors, and college credits were used as incentive to complete the study when they are looking at education itself as part of the study - how can u not say the study is shit for science? - now since none of us actually read the paper we can't really claim squat except that news posters in this case as usual could care less about science but rather sell news lol.. (just j/king) + Show Spoiler + -for Fritz with <3 from physician just for ur enjoyment: http://scienceblogs.com/sciencepunk/2009/01/mormon_scientists_video_games.php some of the comments were pretty funny too, plus the inspiration for a forum OP | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 12:01 RivetHead wrote: This study was obviously put together to make gaming look bad. I mean its BYU for christsakes, a university that I wouldn't go to if you paid me (and I would rather go to community college anyways). The fact of the matter is that the faculty who did the study have an agenda and the methods they used to collect the data is suspect and therefore the study is worthless. Say what you want about Mormonism, but criticizing BYU and the professor because she teaches there is simply idiotic. I repeat: you are a fucking idiot. There is actually an indication that she didn't have an anti-gaming agenda, and you are completely unaware of the legitimacy of the data set. Aside from having to sit in classes with 99% blonde, blue-eyed freaks, BYU is an excellent undergraduate school. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
BYU is an excellent undergraduate school. Rofl. Undergraduates are the ones putting out research papers? No? Oh shit!Looks like even your half defense indicates that BYU does fuck all in terms of proper research. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 25 2009 15:51 L wrote: Rofl. Undergraduates are the ones putting out research papers? No? Oh shit! Looks like even your half defense indicates that BYU does fuck all in terms of proper research. BYU is actually highly acclaimed for their undergraduate research opportunities and they've got a very high rating from the Carnegie research foundation. The professor you're questioning got a full academic scholarship to Central Michigan and her Master's and Doctorate from Nebraska, and the other researchers got their PhD's from Minnesota and Maryland. You don't even know what their religious views are. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On January 25 2009 16:14 Jibba wrote: BYU is actually highly acclaimed for their undergraduate research opportunities and they've got a very high rating from the Carnegie research foundation. The professor you're questioning got a full academic scholarship to Central Michigan and her Master's and Doctorate from Nebraska, and the other researchers got their PhD's from Minnesota and Maryland. You don't even know what their religious views are. That's research for you!  | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:01 Resonance wrote: ? No I don't. Stop trying to mix up my words. I disagree with the study, b/c it does not prove anything. You can't disagree with a study because it doesn't prove anything when it wasn't setting out to prove anything. Are you retarded? | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 25 2009 17:00 [X]Ken_D wrote: When you consider the excessive time spent playing games indoor instead of other outdoor activities, then yeah it holds true. The survey is a representative of the average gamers, NOT ALL. TL average is not the average gamer IMO It's not even representative of the average gamer. It's representative of gamers that go to BYU. All this has shown (apparently) is that in the 800 students surveyed from BYU, there is a correlation between video games, and drunkenness, and self-loathing. | ||
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MaiBoA38
United States108 Posts
On January 25 2009 05:25 MuR)Ernu wrote: Though if you play wow (or some other mmorpg) 24/7 you are pretty likely to do some drugs or alcohol while playing them They are so tedious and most of the time you are bored when you play it. So you might want to get wasted, so its more fun. You are my best friend, congratulations. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 25 2009 12:24 Physician wrote: - did u read the paper? if u did post it, if u didn't you can't claim that... + Show Spoiler + and btw getting peer reviewed and published don't mean shit either, there is a lot of shit for science being peer reviewed and published out there, that journal included - how was the online questionnaire distributed? was it send to all students needing the credits? was it posted at 4chan? u get the point.. depending on whom the questionnaires were sent to, and what questions u address, one can find just about any correlation (click on me if u don't agree).. - on what she said alone in that interview u can definitively claim unacceptable bias, and if it true that the study was based solely on an "online" questionnaire, only "college students" from their own university, only "800" individuals were involved to study highly prevalent behaviors, and college credits were used as incentive to complete the study when they are looking at education itself as part of the study - how can u not say the study is shit for science? - now since none of us actually read the paper we can't really claim squat except that news posters in this case as usual could care less about science but rather sell news lol.. (just j/king) + Show Spoiler + -for Fritz with <3 from physician just for ur enjoyment: http://scienceblogs.com/sciencepunk/2009/01/mormon_scientists_video_games.php some of the comments were pretty funny too, plus the inspiration for a forum OP Research in behavioral sciences is bound to strict rules and ethics in western society. You're critizicing the article on methods that are perfectly acceptable among statisticians. Online questionnaires are acceptable within certain rules, rules that a researcher has to abide by. Using just college students is acceptable as well, the researcher is aware of these limitations. It's like you think a researcher can just research whatever he or she feels like without any education and that gamers are the only people who use common sense. And that article about pew research center determines that gaming can include social activity, which we all already know, since we play online. The question is what the quality of this activity is and if it's reducing social interaction in real life. One positive effect does not disprove a negative unrelated effect. There isn't even any determination of correlation in the article you linked it's just a questionnaire that shows how many kids play online. This is what happens when you get overly defensive and biased. On January 25 2009 17:03 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: It's not even representative of the average gamer. It's representative of gamers that go to BYU. All this has shown (apparently) is that in the 800 students surveyed from BYU, there is a correlation between video games, and drunkenness, and self-loathing. You don't think that students from BYU are somewhat representative for intelligent teens across the western world? Until researchers can't replicate these findings I'd say there's a good chance it's representative for other western countries as well, that's just common sense. Besides these findings are based on comparing gamers in BYU with non gamers in BYU, if there's a difference between those 2 groups there's a good chance the difference exists in other populations as well, even if they have a higher or lower average, assuming the difference between gamers and and non gamers only exists in BYU sounds really illogical to me. To everyone who thinks this study is bullshit, do you know 800 gamers and non gamers? Have you compared their drinking and social habits objectively? It's not like 10% is a noticable effect for subjective evaluation and can be disproved with a few anecdotal quotes. You can't say it's bullshit because your intuition says it's not true. Intuition can be subconsciously influenced by what you want to think, not what is objectively the case. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
Now, the kind of constructed morality likely held by Laura Walker if she is in fact a mormon treats things like sex, drugs, alcohol as immoral sins. I personally treat them as a good, a stupid and again as a stupid thing, with my opinion based on reasoning rather then a interpretation of a 'holy text'. Now, the kind of behavior the patrons of her study would find difficult might be acceptable to some of us. Similar kind of fundamental reasoning seems to indicate that they would find video games problematic. So that is their bias. We have a bias towards video games. We're a sc fan site. We're bias against WoW players, we're bias for SC. We're bias against mormons. I certainly am. We have to accept that. We're enraged when we see a picture trying to illustrate gaming, getting the controllers wrong, misrepresenting us, making us angry. The article is suppose to strike fear into parents, that is the bias I believe (with bias) the authors of the study had. The sk article is written to get views, bias again. Now, for any of us to say that even if we stopped playing/watching/thinking/talking about video games and put that time into school/work exclusively, that we would not 'improve' would be a damn lie. Now, for the authors of the study to think that if we stopped gaming that we would just put any big recognizable fraction of the time into things thought to be traditionally productive is another damn lie. Similarly, to think that nothing positive can arise from interacting with gamers, playing video games etc is silly. I am sure most of us have learned things browsing this forum (and looked at a million pictures of funny cats). Now, from my bias standpoint here are the things I think could have caused the correlation. If BYU is a mormon university, the folks in it are guided by the rigorous set of made up standards by that Joseph Smith fellow. A student that is likely to have an Xbox or PS3 seems to be likely not to be a devout follower of the religion, and more like the average 'american' then. I certainly think that less mormons consume alcohol then non mormons (It's part of their commandments), so the relation here is not between gaming but religious devoutness. Gaming is a symptom of being closer to the 'average'. It seems that being a devout mormon would protect one from the evils of alcohol and drugs and 3 hatch all-ins. However, it would also protect one from the various magnificent products of modern culture, knowledge and education. One can present a crude explanation of why alcohol is bad to a religious person, justify it on 'faith' and produce a non-alcoholic population. That's an insulting shortcut in my opinion. | ||
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
"A lot of people like the taste of beer, they like to drink beer, and they don’t end up as alcoholics or drug addicts," says Rick, a former beer drinker. "The problem I see is that once you start drinking, the Spirit is going to withdraw from you. So although your drinking might not get out of hand, you still can’t have the influence of the Holy Ghost with you because you’re drinking." (Laury Livsey, "The Beer Facts," New Era, Mar. 1993, 44) from lds.about.com contrasted to my reasons for not drinking beer: Caloric intake. Fuck, it's like mormons treat their members as children and tell you not to kill others, etc. BECAUSE GOD SAID SO and not because ITS REASONABLY A WRONG THING TO DO. Dogmas, so stupid. Check this one out too: http://lds.about.com/od/basicsgospelprinciples/a/law_of_tithing.htm Their version: "God says pay 10% to god and everything will be good. P.S. Small font: it will be used to spread our belief and our corporate heads will decide how it will be." Honest version: "Give us a 10% tax to join our 'everything' club so you can feel good about yourself." | ||
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bboyldy
Korea (North)664 Posts
does this image stike you as a gamer? lol.. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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Volshok
United States349 Posts
Since I haven't read it, I'll put out the following concerns based solely on personal experience; 1) Computer and console gamers are extremely different people, you cannot group them into one category. I'll be honest, I know a lot of guys who dropped out of school, and their daily lives now consist of smoking weed and playing their 360. 2) Gaming genres produce absurdly varied communities, and to lump all players together is going to distort your empirical evidence and possibly produce false data. Most CS players I know have short fuses for their anger. They tend to rage over issues which seem irrelevant/pointless to me. On the flip side, my RTS friends are a lot more collected and reserved (I'm hesitant to use the word "mature" but it may be true). 3) Drug Selection: There is a split in my personal friends who do and don't game. My gamer friends tend to stick to harmless drugs like alcohol and weed, and very rarely step into anything more serious. My friends who don't game are more likely to use what I'd define as "heavier" drugs. Pills, Coke, Heroine, X, etc. Of course I have no empirical evidence to support my statements, but this is the internet. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
It's not because they game that they are like this, it's because they are like this that they are gamers. end of story imo. but again, maybe you guys are discussing something deeper. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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brambolius
Netherlands448 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever? lol wut is wrong with that pic? | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
fuck man, that just makes me fucking sad. | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 26 2009 00:52 Frits wrote: Research in behavioral sciences is bound to strict rules and ethics in western society. You're critizicing the article on methods that are perfectly acceptable among statisticians. Online questionnaires are acceptable within certain rules, rules that a researcher has to abide by. Using just college students is acceptable as well, the researcher is aware of these limitations. It's like you think a researcher can just research whatever he or she feels like without any education and that gamers are the only people who use common sense. And that article about pew research center determines that gaming can include social activity, which we all already know, since we play online. The question is what the quality of this activity is and if it's reducing social interaction in real life. One positive effect does not disprove a negative unrelated effect. There isn't even any determination of correlation in the article you linked it's just a questionnaire that shows how many kids play online. This is what happens when you get overly defensive and biased. You don't think that students from BYU are somewhat representative for intelligent teens across the western world? Until researchers can't replicate these findings I'd say there's a good chance it's representative for other western countries as well, that's just common sense. Besides these findings are based on comparing gamers in BYU with non gamers in BYU, if there's a difference between those 2 groups there's a good chance the difference exists in other populations as well, even if they have a higher or lower average, assuming the difference between gamers and and non gamers only exists in BYU sounds really illogical to me. To everyone who thinks this study is bullshit, do you know 800 gamers and non gamers? Have you compared their drinking and social habits objectively? It's not like 10% is a noticable effect for subjective evaluation and can be disproved with a few anecdotal quotes. You can't say it's bullshit because your intuition says it's not true. Intuition can be subconsciously influenced by what you want to think, not what is objectively the case. Physician added that these people are also people who were in dire need of credit, and had nothing better to do than fill out stupid online questionnaires, in a pm. No, I don't think BYU students are representative of the average Westerner, or I wouldn't have said what I said. BYU is a Mormon school, and most people are not Mormons. From BYU's website on requirements for graduation: "In addition, the following are required for graduation: * Minimum of 30 semester credit hours in residence on the BYU campus in Provo as an admitted day student * Minimum total of 120 credit hours * Cumulative and BYU GPA of at least 2.0 * A current ecclesiastical endorsement" Ecclesiastical: of or pertaining to the church or the clergy; churchly; clerical; not secular. Also take a look at the University Core (which are required classes for any degree from BYU): http://saas.byu.edu/classSchedule/policy/winter/univcore.php Generally speaking, if you aren't a Mormon, you aren't going to BYU. So no, I do not think that BYU students are representative of Westerners as a whole. | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:39 anTi_ wrote: When will idiots like this realize that video games are just like watching movies or television, except with video games you're involved with the entertainment. You're not just sitting back braindead watching some stupid tv show. I have no idea, people seem to have this weird social stigma with video games, but i see it slowly fading as many people realize games are coolio, not foolio | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
this woman is getting a harpoon through her ocular cavity I will END HER | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On January 27 2009 02:48 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: No, I don't think BYU students are representative of the average Westerner, or I wouldn't have said what I said. BYU is a Mormon school, and most people are not Mormons. From BYU's website on requirements for graduation: "In addition, the following are required for graduation: * Minimum of 30 semester credit hours in residence on the BYU campus in Provo as an admitted day student * Minimum total of 120 credit hours * Cumulative and BYU GPA of at least 2.0 * A current ecclesiastical endorsement" Ecclesiastical: of or pertaining to the church or the clergy; churchly; clerical; not secular. Also take a look at the University Core (which are required classes for any degree from BYU): http://saas.byu.edu/classSchedule/policy/winter/univcore.php Generally speaking, if you aren't a Mormon, you aren't going to BYU. So no, I do not think that BYU students are representative of Westerners as a whole. Thanks for saying partially what I was trying to get accross in an non-expansive and emotional way, which may have put people off. I don't have time to go into lthe details the way this study was done but generally it looked like there was a large possibility for manipulation, not just of the data itself (which I admit probably didn't happen) but in the way they went about collecting it (which seems to have a lot of room for manipulation). Also, my main idea is that a sample of 800 BYU students is not the average American by any means. It said that to be a heavy gamer, the study considers that you must play a game at least once every other day. Ummmmm.... since middle school I haven't met a single male from 5 years old to 30 who doesn't play a video game at least once every couple of days (on average). So does that therefore correlate that they have an increased risk factor for alcoholism and low self esteem? Well how do you judge that when you are talking about probably 80-90% of the population of those demographics? Of course I live in southern California, so my samples are someone unique and nondemonstrative of the entire country, let alone the world. But I think we are closer to "average" than the student's that were allowed to do the study at BYU. | ||
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TaP.Nuada
United States428 Posts
He's saying that those don't look like suicidal alcoholics, which they don't. It looks like they're just having a good night with their friends. Someone else also pointed out, that one of the guys playing is holding an N64 controller, while the other is holding a gamecube controller, which just doesn't work. | ||
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
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p4ge
Canada160 Posts
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p4ge
Canada160 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 27 2009 13:00 Oxygen wrote: Not only does the "professor" confuse cause and effect Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. + Show Spoiler + Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them. + Show Spoiler + HOLY FUCK SHIT GOD DAMN | ||
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ph7
United States72 Posts
Reasons: Mormons control Utah. and i mean they rule Utah(period) the liquor laws are such bullshit, its not even funny, i cant even go to a club to see some great bands that play at such venues like "Liquid Joes" because they serve alcohol, and im not 21. FUCK THAT. I cant go anywhere. When my friends that are 25 and 26 want to go somewhere when im at their house i usually have to go home because normally its to a club to go see a band, and not only that, but the Mormons control the schooling in Utah as well. Ill just say this now, i dont think im unintelligent, and i took many classes where i found information to be lacking truth so i went went and did research and found that much of the information being taught was highly incorrect, in one required class particularly[health]. Some of the information in that class was such bullshit, that i debated single-handed with my teacher and the Mormon brainwashed population of the classroom. And tell me if this makes sense. They don't teach how to use devices such as condoms to prevent accidental kids, they teach abstinence. How the fuck is that doing anyone any fucking good if they are having sex anyways? Wow. anyways sorry about that semi-derailment there. About the mormon researcher. Shes an idiot and i hope she doesnt represent all of utah, i like to think that some of us are smart here. Not only that but if you take a look at all of what the mormons have done. It is off of some shitty book (The book of mormon) ["a testament of jesus christ"] which if you read its basically a dude going "oh hey, i can read the bible, how about all of you polygamists and dumb fucks come with me because i rewrote the bible and called it my own! wohoo!] it all is politically disgusting. Take for example proposition 8, Who were the main people fighting against gay marriage(?), thats right the mormons. Who are the ones preaching happiness and love for all(?), thats right the mormons. Does anyone see the irony of this? And not to mention that the actual study was created by biased opinions already + Show Spoiler + The study was created by four professors at Brigham Young University (located in Utah), where 800 students attended via an online survey. What is interesting is that the university is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that demand their students to follow a honor code system, which will later mandate behavior with Mormon teachings. Not to mention that fact that data can be altered by having a selective 800 survey takers. which would not be hard to achieve seeing as how Utah is FULL OF MORMONS. Speaking from personal experience now against the study, im a hardcore gamer(or what i would like to think), and i spend the time it takes to get good at games, (friday through sunday was practice for Starcraft for me with about 2 hours of sleep{20 hours of solid practice}) and not only that but im 1/2 German and 1/2 Norwegian, so i have drinking in my blood. Yeah i drink, not to get drunk(all the time), yes im 18, yes ive smoked marijuana(still do when it doesnt interfere with school) yes ive researched all of the above, and no i dont think im a total fucking idiot. And whats with my life? i fucking love it. I dont suck at socializing and im not a druggie. Now lets take a look at one of my late mormon friends in all seriousness. He wasnt a gamer. and he had a serious drug problem that was out of his control, he was addicted to Oxycontin, and gradually broadened that use to herion. He hurt himself working one day(crushed a disk or two in his back) while doing heavy manual labor. And hence after a couple surgeries he was addicted to the painkillers. I knew he was addicted and so did everyone else, his parents denied the problem because they were mormon, and couldnt bother to have a disgrace such as an accidental addiction in the family in their little perfect fucking world. My friend died from an OD. Because his parents refused to get him treatment. Now my friend is fucking gone, because of in part the mormon religion bias, stupidity and ignorance. And now you are gonna believe this fucking bull shit study? sorry about thread derailment again. i just feel so strongly about this, especially after my friend lost his life so unnecessarily so. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Anyhow, this has no bearing on the validity of the paper. About as much as it would if I said "all that stupid, pointless, evil shit that humans did... justifies my opinion that NOTHING THAT HUMANS DO ARE VALID. FUCK YOU ALL." | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On January 27 2009 13:56 BottleAbuser wrote: ph7, the liquor laws are pretty damn similar in a lot of other states. I don't recall any sort of "here's how you use a condom" or even "this is what a condom is for" lecture in school, either. Anyhow, this has no bearing on the validity of the paper. About as much as it would if I said "all that stupid, pointless, evil shit that humans did... justifies my opinion that NOTHING THAT HUMANS DO ARE VALID. FUCK YOU ALL." It's perfectly valid what he said. Now there are a lot of circumstantial stories thrown in there for emotional effect but generally what he is saying about mormonism is true. Not all religions are created equal, even as an athiest I can look at most normal, moderate to liberal chrisitans, jews, and a believers in all sorts of religion and still have a healthy respect for their ability to reason. Mormons, not so much. One of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card, is a pretty liberal Mormon, and hes completely conservative and will not listen to logic or reason. I doubt he was always that way, cause I can tell by the books. Now I can't read his current stuff cause its all drivel that whines about abortions being murder and other dumb crap. The fact of the matter is that the book of Mormon is a utterly laughable religious text and anyone who would believe that shit, their opinions about a great deal of things are very suspect if not outright false. I realize not everyone will agree with me but I am just trying to show where I am coming from. Basically, I give as much credit to this study as those from all them socially conservative think tanks that are usually made of members who are ultra fundamentalist Christians...which is about none. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:45 IzzyCraft wrote: Is it me or are they plaing N64 and gamecube at the same time lol See they must be wasted really bad lol YA HAHA Wow man. It's been a while since I got double laughs like that. That pic + that woman = JOKES. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On January 27 2009 20:33 BottleAbuser wrote: "You believe in the FSM, you must be wrong about 2+2=4" is similar to what ph7 is saying. ok... what? | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote: YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES KILL URSELF LAURA Sad but true in a good percentage. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 27 2009 17:05 RivetHead wrote: It's perfectly valid what he said. Now there are a lot of circumstantial stories thrown in there for emotional effect but generally what he is saying about mormonism is true. Not all religions are created equal, even as an athiest I can look at most normal, moderate to liberal chrisitans, jews, and a believers in all sorts of religion and still have a healthy respect for their ability to reason. Mormons, not so much. One of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card, is a pretty liberal Mormon, and hes completely conservative and will not listen to logic or reason. I doubt he was always that way, cause I can tell by the books. Now I can't read his current stuff cause its all drivel that whines about abortions being murder and other dumb crap. The fact of the matter is that the book of Mormon is a utterly laughable religious text and anyone who would believe that shit, their opinions about a great deal of things are very suspect if not outright false. I realize not everyone will agree with me but I am just trying to show where I am coming from. Basically, I give as much credit to this study as those from all them socially conservative think tanks that are usually made of members who are ultra fundamentalist Christians...which is about none. You don't even know that she's a Mormon. Notre Dame doesn't hire 100% Catholic faculty and neither does BYU. If she had started this study 4 years earlier, you idiots would be ranting and raving about how she's just a redneck Cornhusker and no one from Nebraska should be listened to. | ||
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BatTheMan
Canada759 Posts
I see gaming as a distraction, just like television or friends can be. Too much of something is never good for the well being. I`ve been gaming since high school days and would only think about it whenever I'm not doing it. I haven`t been gaming recently because of internet problems and I`ve spent around $1000 in the last month on drugs alcohol and strippers. I have pretty poor relationship with my self and don`t really want to deal with my life. Simple thing as getting a my medical insurance card renewed. I`m a little bit agoraphobic and pretty much afraid of communicating with people in general when I`m sober. Only thing that`s keeping sane right now is my 9 to 5 Mon-Fri job, because I'm afraid to lose my job. Fear is running my life and always has been. Thank you for reading -an addict | ||
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
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