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Calyx
Profile Joined January 2009
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 00:59:32
January 25 2009 00:47 GMT
#81
On January 25 2009 04:28 TrainReq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 04:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On January 25 2009 04:20 TrainReq wrote:
I'm guessing the Professor who conducted this research is also into female rights activism.

I dunno, I think she's just mormon.


That could easily be right as well. Regardless, she should probably stop doing what she does.


breathing?
Your mind has been transported back in time... and to Mars.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 25 2009 00:50 GMT
#82
On January 25 2009 09:47 Calyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 04:29 aokces wrote:
Another one of those many 'watching violent TV/gaming and violence/whatever' studies - can never prove which causes the other. What a waste of research.


breathing?

People who breathe are significantly more violent than people who don't.
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PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
January 25 2009 01:17 GMT
#83
too many researchers get paid for useless research if you ask me
Once again back is the incredible!
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 25 2009 01:29 GMT
#84
On January 25 2009 09:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 09:47 Calyx wrote:
On January 25 2009 04:29 aokces wrote:
Another one of those many 'watching violent TV/gaming and violence/whatever' studies - can never prove which causes the other. What a waste of research.


breathing?

People who breathe are significantly more violent than people who don't.

Unless you are counting zombies.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 02:02:02
January 25 2009 02:01 GMT
#85
On January 25 2009 09:21 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 07:51 Resonance wrote:
On January 25 2009 07:07 Jibba wrote:
On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:
These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.-

On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO

VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES

KILL URSELF LAURA


Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games.

These studies are useless, they don't prove shit.

What do you think correlate means?

It's honestly a bit amusing seeing everyone here jump into defensive mode. Most people would agree with Rekrul yet they hate the research because SK gaming did a shitty job explaining the article.



Sorry, let me rephrase that.

They may be correlated, but this correlation does not indicate that gaming causes this type of behaviour.

So you agree with what they reported. Jesus people... whatever happened to TL's 190 IQ.


? No I don't. Stop trying to mix up my words. I disagree with the study, b/c it does not prove anything.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 25 2009 02:05 GMT
#86
Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.
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RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
January 25 2009 03:01 GMT
#87
This study was obviously put together to make gaming look bad. I mean its BYU for christsakes, a university that I wouldn't go to if you paid me (and I would rather go to community college anyways). The fact of the matter is that the faculty who did the study have an agenda and the methods they used to collect the data is suspect and therefore the study is worthless.
I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 09:12:36
January 25 2009 03:24 GMT
#88
On January 25 2009 07:14 Frits wrote: Anyone who thinks this research is useless/doesn't prove anything is clueless about scientific research or in hardcore denial.


- did u read the paper? if u did post it, if u didn't you can't claim that... + Show Spoiler +
and btw getting peer reviewed and published don't mean shit either, there is a lot of shit for science being peer reviewed and published out there, that journal included


- how was the online questionnaire distributed? was it send to all students needing the credits? was it posted at 4chan? u get the point.. depending on whom the questionnaires were sent to, and what questions u address, one can find just about any correlation (click on me if u don't agree).. - on what she said alone in that interview u can definitively claim unacceptable bias, and if it true that the study was based solely on an "online" questionnaire, only "college students" from their own university, only "800" individuals were involved to study highly prevalent behaviors, and college credits were used as incentive to complete the study when they are looking at education itself as part of the study - how can u not say the study is shit for science?
- now since none of us actually read the paper we can't really claim squat except that news posters in this case as usual could care less about science but rather sell news lol.. (just j/king)

+ Show Spoiler +
-for Fritz with <3 from physician just for ur enjoyment:
http://scienceblogs.com/sciencepunk/2009/01/mormon_scientists_video_games.php
some of the comments were pretty funny too, plus the inspiration for a forum OP

"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 03:27:22
January 25 2009 03:26 GMT
#89
On January 25 2009 12:01 RivetHead wrote:
This study was obviously put together to make gaming look bad. I mean its BYU for christsakes, a university that I wouldn't go to if you paid me (and I would rather go to community college anyways). The fact of the matter is that the faculty who did the study have an agenda and the methods they used to collect the data is suspect and therefore the study is worthless.

Say what you want about Mormonism, but criticizing BYU and the professor because she teaches there is simply idiotic. I repeat: you are a fucking idiot. There is actually an indication that she didn't have an anti-gaming agenda, and you are completely unaware of the legitimacy of the data set. Aside from having to sit in classes with 99% blonde, blue-eyed freaks, BYU is an excellent undergraduate school.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 25 2009 06:51 GMT
#90
BYU is an excellent undergraduate school.
Rofl. Undergraduates are the ones putting out research papers? No? Oh shit!

Looks like even your half defense indicates that BYU does fuck all in terms of proper research.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 07:17:25
January 25 2009 07:14 GMT
#91
On January 25 2009 15:51 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
BYU is an excellent undergraduate school.
Rofl. Undergraduates are the ones putting out research papers? No? Oh shit!

Looks like even your half defense indicates that BYU does fuck all in terms of proper research.

BYU is actually highly acclaimed for their undergraduate research opportunities and they've got a very high rating from the Carnegie research foundation.

The professor you're questioning got a full academic scholarship to Central Michigan and her Master's and Doctorate from Nebraska, and the other researchers got their PhD's from Minnesota and Maryland. You don't even know what their religious views are.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 25 2009 07:22 GMT
#92
Is there a link to the full paper?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 07:27:00
January 25 2009 07:26 GMT
#93
You gotta pay for it or have access to Family Psychological Journal or whatever the hell it's called.
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
January 25 2009 07:29 GMT
#94
On January 25 2009 16:14 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 15:51 L wrote:
BYU is an excellent undergraduate school.
Rofl. Undergraduates are the ones putting out research papers? No? Oh shit!

Looks like even your half defense indicates that BYU does fuck all in terms of proper research.

BYU is actually highly acclaimed for their undergraduate research opportunities and they've got a very high rating from the Carnegie research foundation.

The professor you're questioning got a full academic scholarship to Central Michigan and her Master's and Doctorate from Nebraska, and the other researchers got their PhD's from Minnesota and Maryland. You don't even know what their religious views are.


That's research for you!
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 25 2009 07:58 GMT
#95
On January 25 2009 11:01 Resonance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 09:21 Jibba wrote:
On January 25 2009 07:51 Resonance wrote:
On January 25 2009 07:07 Jibba wrote:
On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:
These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.-

On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO

VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES

KILL URSELF LAURA


Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games.

These studies are useless, they don't prove shit.

What do you think correlate means?

It's honestly a bit amusing seeing everyone here jump into defensive mode. Most people would agree with Rekrul yet they hate the research because SK gaming did a shitty job explaining the article.



Sorry, let me rephrase that.

They may be correlated, but this correlation does not indicate that gaming causes this type of behaviour.

So you agree with what they reported. Jesus people... whatever happened to TL's 190 IQ.


? No I don't. Stop trying to mix up my words. I disagree with the study, b/c it does not prove anything.


You can't disagree with a study because it doesn't prove anything when it wasn't setting out to prove anything. Are you retarded?
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 08:02:45
January 25 2009 08:00 GMT
#96
When you consider the excessive time spent playing games indoor instead of other outdoor activities, then yeah it holds true. The survey is a representative of the average gamers, NOT ALL. However, TL average is not the average gamer IMO

/goes back to watching Starleague
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 25 2009 08:03 GMT
#97
On January 25 2009 17:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
When you consider the excessive time spent playing games indoor instead of other outdoor activities, then yeah it holds true. The survey is a representative of the average gamers, NOT ALL. TL average is not the average gamer IMO


It's not even representative of the average gamer. It's representative of gamers that go to BYU. All this has shown (apparently) is that in the 800 students surveyed from BYU, there is a correlation between video games, and drunkenness, and self-loathing.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
MaiBoA38
Profile Joined June 2008
United States108 Posts
January 25 2009 08:09 GMT
#98
On January 25 2009 05:25 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Though if you play wow (or some other mmorpg) 24/7 you are pretty likely to do some drugs or alcohol while playing them
They are so tedious and most of the time you are bored when you play it. So you might want to get wasted, so its more fun.


You are my best friend, congratulations.
Sometimes its not intentional, sometimes you just botch it.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-25 16:12:09
January 25 2009 15:52 GMT
#99
On January 25 2009 12:24 Physician wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 07:14 Frits wrote: Anyone who thinks this research is useless/doesn't prove anything is clueless about scientific research or in hardcore denial.


- did u read the paper? if u did post it, if u didn't you can't claim that... + Show Spoiler +
and btw getting peer reviewed and published don't mean shit either, there is a lot of shit for science being peer reviewed and published out there, that journal included


- how was the online questionnaire distributed? was it send to all students needing the credits? was it posted at 4chan? u get the point.. depending on whom the questionnaires were sent to, and what questions u address, one can find just about any correlation (click on me if u don't agree).. - on what she said alone in that interview u can definitively claim unacceptable bias, and if it true that the study was based solely on an "online" questionnaire, only "college students" from their own university, only "800" individuals were involved to study highly prevalent behaviors, and college credits were used as incentive to complete the study when they are looking at education itself as part of the study - how can u not say the study is shit for science?
- now since none of us actually read the paper we can't really claim squat except that news posters in this case as usual could care less about science but rather sell news lol.. (just j/king)

+ Show Spoiler +
-for Fritz with <3 from physician just for ur enjoyment:
http://scienceblogs.com/sciencepunk/2009/01/mormon_scientists_video_games.php
some of the comments were pretty funny too, plus the inspiration for a forum OP



Research in behavioral sciences is bound to strict rules and ethics in western society. You're critizicing the article on methods that are perfectly acceptable among statisticians. Online questionnaires are acceptable within certain rules, rules that a researcher has to abide by. Using just college students is acceptable as well, the researcher is aware of these limitations. It's like you think a researcher can just research whatever he or she feels like without any education and that gamers are the only people who use common sense.

And that article about pew research center determines that gaming can include social activity, which we all already know, since we play online. The question is what the quality of this activity is and if it's reducing social interaction in real life. One positive effect does not disprove a negative unrelated effect. There isn't even any determination of correlation in the article you linked it's just a questionnaire that shows how many kids play online. This is what happens when you get overly defensive and biased.

On January 25 2009 17:03 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2009 17:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
When you consider the excessive time spent playing games indoor instead of other outdoor activities, then yeah it holds true. The survey is a representative of the average gamers, NOT ALL. TL average is not the average gamer IMO


It's not even representative of the average gamer. It's representative of gamers that go to BYU. All this has shown (apparently) is that in the 800 students surveyed from BYU, there is a correlation between video games, and drunkenness, and self-loathing.


You don't think that students from BYU are somewhat representative for intelligent teens across the western world? Until researchers can't replicate these findings I'd say there's a good chance it's representative for other western countries as well, that's just common sense. Besides these findings are based on comparing gamers in BYU with non gamers in BYU, if there's a difference between those 2 groups there's a good chance the difference exists in other populations as well, even if they have a higher or lower average, assuming the difference between gamers and and non gamers only exists in BYU sounds really illogical to me.

To everyone who thinks this study is bullshit, do you know 800 gamers and non gamers? Have you compared their drinking and social habits objectively? It's not like 10% is a noticable effect for subjective evaluation and can be disproved with a few anecdotal quotes. You can't say it's bullshit because your intuition says it's not true. Intuition can be subconsciously influenced by what you want to think, not what is objectively the case.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
January 25 2009 16:36 GMT
#100
I think that they could get a survey which shows that feminists are more likely to be stuck up bitches.
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