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On January 25 2009 05:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:On January 25 2009 04:25 MuR)Ernu wrote:
for me it seems like those who DONT play games AT ALL, are more likely to be drunk all the time. lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Games are actually my anti drug, if there were no games I would have to fill that time up with something else. Not only that but I would probably commit more crimes without games. And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. Yeah, but most people here are speaking from the point of view as competitive gamers. I know I have met, and know, loser gamers who fit pretty much exactly what this study says. Guys who sit at home and drink by themselves while masturbating to anime porn, and playing RPG's (and this is not a joke, I really know people who do that). I think we can all agree that there are different "sects" of gamers, and there is definitely a group of them that would fit exactly what they're talking about here. I also know people that have had relationships ruined because they'd rather play a game over spending time with their gf, or whatever. The thing is, and I agree with Rekrul here, most people that play games like that turn to games because they suck at everything else in life. The games are an outlet, not a cause. EDIT: Before Frits gets on me about it being a correlational study, I know that, and I know that it's not determining causality.
You said it yourself, there are different 'sects' of games. Therefor this study is just like saying women are more likely to wear sandals because of their low self esteem. There are all different types of women and you can't just stereotype them in a lump like that.
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this is bs. yeah some people start to be loners... but thats some people..
and also they studied one state. Utah is like... in the middle of theUS. and they could be having more teenager problems than usual right now. not a fair study if u ask me.
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Maybe computer gamers are more likely to be drunk self-haters because they're not as well accepted...
Too many extraneous factors to make such a concrete conclusion
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On January 25 2009 05:49 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 04:48 Frits wrote:On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA The study shows a correlation between negative effects and video gaming. It doesn't try to determine causality. People often misinterpret correlational studies, the useful thing about this study is that because of this evidence social programs can be erected to support or keep an eye out for gamers, and determine if these effects are problematic. Like I said, contrary to what a lot of people think in this thread, it doesn't try to determine causality, there's no need to get all defensive about video gaming. Proving that video games impact people who are otherwise more 'normal' will be incredibly hard to prove and I believe that the most likely cause will be found in personality, mainly introverted males. I doubt games exacerbate the effects of antisocial behavior but you never know. I was gonna say something like that too when rek posted but most of these 'studies' are all like this, and the underlying message is that games are bad regardless if its a loose correlation or not, which is bullshit.
"Most of these studies are like this." That's like saying most apples taste like apples. Im not sure what you mean with "this", if you mean they all point towards the same evidence I don't see how it does anything but strengthen it. If with "this" you mean they are conducting their research in such a way that they are looking for an answer instead of finding out what's really going on, I'd say a pretty harsh conviction, which you can't be sure of without looking at the way they tested their nullhypotheses (both ways, or one way) accompanied by the theory they used. This is all statistical stuff which most people probably don't know a lot about but trust me when I say that published articles are peer reviewed by other researchers try to take out any bias or other stuff, and it is not published until it is found reasonable.
And if you want to read the underlying message of an article, you have to look up the article and read the discussion part at the end of it, where they talk about implications and discuss their findings.
Also who says there is a loose correlation? It might just as well be strong, the point is, correlational studies never determine causality, ever. That fact alone undermines the point that this is a study biased against gamers.
On January 25 2009 05:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 05:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 25 2009 04:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:On January 25 2009 04:25 MuR)Ernu wrote:
for me it seems like those who DONT play games AT ALL, are more likely to be drunk all the time. lol, I totally agree. Most my friends who don't play poker or games are getting a 12 pack every day after work. Games are actually my anti drug, if there were no games I would have to fill that time up with something else. Not only that but I would probably commit more crimes without games. And the hugest factor IMO is that YOU CAN NOT PLAY YOUR TOP GAME under the influence of something. Yeah, but most people here are speaking from the point of view as competitive gamers. I know I have met, and know, loser gamers who fit pretty much exactly what this study says. Guys who sit at home and drink by themselves while masturbating to anime porn, and playing RPG's (and this is not a joke, I really know people who do that). I think we can all agree that there are different "sects" of gamers, and there is definitely a group of them that would fit exactly what they're talking about here. I also know people that have had relationships ruined because they'd rather play a game over spending time with their gf, or whatever. The thing is, and I agree with Rekrul here, most people that play games like that turn to games because they suck at everything else in life. The games are an outlet, not a cause. EDIT: Before Frits gets on me about it being a correlational study, I know that, and I know that it's not determining causality. You said it yourself, there are different 'sects' of games. Therefor this study is just like saying women are more likely to wear sandals because of their low self esteem. There are all different types of women and you can't just stereotype them in a lump like that.
Bias is a danger in any study, like the fact that they only looked at university students, which is definately a flaw. Saying that this study stereotypes gamers however is going a little too far, Im pretty sure gamers have the fact that they play games in common for one. :p Some play less and somep lay more, which is the case with any research. Saying they didn't took this into account is kinda jumping the gun. Besides, before you determine correlation you have to look at the distribution of the gamers, apparently they thought that it was divided in a way that didn't make them feel as if gamers had to be divided in smaller populations first. If the correlation is only found in the people who play more than the less hardcore gamers Im sure they would've mentioned it.
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hm... not at all convincing. As she said in the interview herself, it didn't take into the account of different type of games played. And the way the research was carried out, it was sent to 800 college student, who by taking the survey can earn credit/vouchers through their class. So obviously it was aimed at specific groups rather than a random sample. I am surprised that the parent can also join in this survey, I am sure that affected the result quite a bit.
the article
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w487673k5415k142/fulltext.pdf
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On January 25 2009 06:04 Sonu wrote:
this is bs. yeah some people start to be loners... but thats some people..
and also they studied one state. Utah is like... in the middle of theUS. and they could be having more teenager problems than usual right now. not a fair study if u ask me.
Imo loner ---> loner gamer, not gamer ---> gamer loner.
Unless it was WoW that did to to them hehehe.
Play games as a loner is really far less fun than playing games with irl friends anyway, I think most of us can relate that having friends play SC with you makes it way more fun due to rivalries.
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(white_box921 good find.. but blah not free)
it was sent to 800 college student, who by taking the survey can earn credit/vouchers through their class.
lol.. nice bias
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These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.-
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA
Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games.
These studies are useless, they don't prove shit.
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I have to say it again, the study was done by mormons.
However she did say that she did not expect to find this result in the study so maybe it was not as biased as i thought.
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i just want to say nothing wrong with suicides, its just how you do it, for example, joining the army could be considered a suicide because your putting yourself in danger, same as jumping off a really really high building, the problem is, people who join the army are fucking awesome people who are doing the rest of us a noble favor and the people who jump off buildings are pussys
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lol this study is a joke and a really bad piece of bullshit at that
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On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit.
EDIT: Totally worded that wrong. I meant to say that it does show a correlation, it doesn't show that what the cause is. So, it's not a causal study. I think you're confused on what a correlation is.
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On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA
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Yeah i noticed that too lol it's def to prove they are totaly into drugs and alchol totally just wasted.
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On January 25 2009 06:49 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit. It isn't a correlational study, no shit it doesn't prove a correlation. It doesn't claim to.
It says right here:
A new study says that gamers are more likely to be "drunk self-haters".
How is that not claiming a positive correlation? Definately seems like it to me. I mean I GUESS it could be that it's not really a linear relation at all but that'd surprise me because it seems like the study is based on that.
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On January 25 2009 04:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:
rofl, wasn't there some other study that said gamers are more likely to be in better health than that of the average american?
That was an anonymous online survey taken for a free item, this was a psychological study. I know gamers always hate being criticized, but this study has some merit. It didn't find causality, just a linkage which is not surprising.
Regular gamers were also around 10 per cent more likely to drink alcohol and take drugs than students who rarely played the games.
Those who played computer games every day were three times as likely to use cannabis as those who never played, the findings, published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, show.
As the amount of time spent playing the games increased, the quality of relationships with friends and parents deteriorated, the study also found, although the effects were described as "modest"
Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.
"It may be that young adults remove themselves from important social settings to play video games, or that people who already struggle with relationships are trying to find other ways to spend their time," she said. "My guess is that it's some of both and becomes circular."
It's still got some issues since it doesn't account for a few important factors, like the actual amount of time spent gaming, but does it really surprise any of you that gamers are more likely to have low self esteem or relationship problems? Try taking a look at the blog section...
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On January 25 2009 07:02 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 06:49 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit. It isn't a correlational study, no shit it doesn't prove a correlation. It doesn't claim to. It says right here: How is that not claiming a positive correlation? Definately seems like it to me.
I edited, because I confused the words "correlational" and "causal" somehow. I don't know how I did that, but I did.
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On January 25 2009 06:32 Resonance wrote:These studies are fucking ridiculous. While the two may be linked (in some communities even @ that, the majority of gamers I have met are very successful outside of gaming), it does not mean that there is a correlation between the two -.- Show nested quote +On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES
KILL URSELF LAURA Yes and I agree w/Rekrul 100%, the low self-esteem players already started off with low self-esteem (US east). They have nothing to do anyway so they have no choice but to play video games. These studies are useless, they don't prove shit.
What do you think correlate means?
It's honestly a bit amusing seeing everyone here jump into defensive mode. Most people would agree with Rekrul yet they hate the research because SK gaming did a shitty job explaining the article.
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