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Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
January 27 2009 04:00 GMT
#121
I can't imagine this is a peer-reviewed article. Not only does the "professor" confuse cause and effect, it seems she's only asking questions, writing down data and interpreting it in the most simplistic possible way.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-27 04:09:19
January 27 2009 04:04 GMT
#122
i dont think the professor implied in her study that she was giving the definitive reality of the issue, i don't think your giving her professor title enough respect. its more probable that her study was just an indication of a single dimension of the whole thing rather than a full encapsulation. sure the results may seem like common sense but in the world of research projects like that, things are taken in small steps rather than leaps--and for good reason; mostly to offer more of a guarentee when it comes to understanding the real reality, otherwise you'd have a bunch of zealous researchers offering a messy swamp of their own interpretations--which works fine and is appropriate in fields such as art and contemporary culture, but in the realm of science it takes second seat to a more scientific/empirical approach.
p4ge
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada160 Posts
January 27 2009 04:08 GMT
#123
also other researchers understand that results like are taken as is and its pretty much common knowledge that any piece of research such as that is more a single piece of a larger puzzle. if you want to blame anyone, blame the editor that picked that study out from a mass of research projects that are available in the hordes of sociological publications that are released monthly.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-27 04:28:21
January 27 2009 04:28 GMT
#124
On January 27 2009 13:00 Oxygen wrote:
Not only does the "professor" confuse cause and effect


Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.


Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.


Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.


Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.


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Prof Walker said that it was still unclear whether playing computer games caused other social problems, or were merely a symptom of them.


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HOLY FUCK SHIT GOD DAMN
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ph7
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States72 Posts
January 27 2009 04:45 GMT
#125
First off i have to say this. Im from Utah, salt lake city to be exact, Ive dealt with Mormons my entire life and all i have to say is fuck em. Yes, thats right fuck em.
Reasons: Mormons control Utah. and i mean they rule Utah(period) the liquor laws are such bullshit, its not even funny, i cant even go to a club to see some great bands that play at such venues like "Liquid Joes" because they serve alcohol, and im not 21. FUCK THAT. I cant go anywhere. When my friends that are 25 and 26 want to go somewhere when im at their house i usually have to go home because normally its to a club to go see a band, and not only that, but the Mormons control the schooling in Utah as well. Ill just say this now, i dont think im unintelligent, and i took many classes where i found information to be lacking truth so i went went and did research and found that much of the information being taught was highly incorrect, in one required class particularly[health]. Some of the information in that class was such bullshit, that i debated single-handed with my teacher and the Mormon brainwashed population of the classroom. And tell me if this makes sense. They don't teach how to use devices such as condoms to prevent accidental kids, they teach abstinence. How the fuck is that doing anyone any fucking good if they are having sex anyways?
Wow. anyways sorry about that semi-derailment there.
About the mormon researcher. Shes an idiot and i hope she doesnt represent all of utah, i like to think that some of us are smart here. Not only that but if you take a look at all of what the mormons have done. It is off of some shitty book (The book of mormon) ["a testament of jesus christ"] which if you read its basically a dude going "oh hey, i can read the bible, how about all of you polygamists and dumb fucks come with me because i rewrote the bible and called it my own! wohoo!] it all is politically disgusting. Take for example proposition 8, Who were the main people fighting against gay marriage(?), thats right the mormons. Who are the ones preaching happiness and love for all(?), thats right the mormons. Does anyone see the irony of this?
And not to mention that the actual study was created by biased opinions already
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The study was created by four professors at Brigham Young University (located in Utah), where 800 students attended via an online survey. What is interesting is that the university is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that demand their students to follow a honor code system, which will later mandate behavior with Mormon teachings.

Not to mention that fact that data can be altered by having a selective 800 survey takers. which would not be hard to achieve seeing as how Utah is FULL OF MORMONS.
Speaking from personal experience now against the study, im a hardcore gamer(or what i would like to think), and i spend the time it takes to get good at games, (friday through sunday was practice for Starcraft for me with about 2 hours of sleep{20 hours of solid practice}) and not only that but im 1/2 German and 1/2 Norwegian, so i have drinking in my blood. Yeah i drink, not to get drunk(all the time), yes im 18, yes ive smoked marijuana(still do when it doesnt interfere with school) yes ive researched all of the above, and no i dont think im a total fucking idiot. And whats with my life? i fucking love it. I dont suck at socializing and im not a druggie. Now lets take a look at one of my late mormon friends in all seriousness.
He wasnt a gamer. and he had a serious drug problem that was out of his control, he was addicted to Oxycontin, and gradually broadened that use to herion. He hurt himself working one day(crushed a disk or two in his back) while doing heavy manual labor. And hence after a couple surgeries he was addicted to the painkillers. I knew he was addicted and so did everyone else, his parents denied the problem because they were mormon, and couldnt bother to have a disgrace such as an accidental addiction in the family in their little perfect fucking world. My friend died from an OD. Because his parents refused to get him treatment. Now my friend is fucking gone, because of in part the mormon religion bias, stupidity and ignorance. And now you are gonna believe this fucking bull shit study?
sorry about thread derailment again. i just feel so strongly about this, especially after my friend lost his life so unnecessarily so.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-27 04:58:20
January 27 2009 04:56 GMT
#126
ph7, the liquor laws are pretty damn similar in a lot of other states. I don't recall any sort of "here's how you use a condom" or even "this is what a condom is for" lecture in school, either.

Anyhow, this has no bearing on the validity of the paper. About as much as it would if I said "all that stupid, pointless, evil shit that humans did... justifies my opinion that NOTHING THAT HUMANS DO ARE VALID. FUCK YOU ALL."
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
January 27 2009 08:05 GMT
#127
On January 27 2009 13:56 BottleAbuser wrote:
ph7, the liquor laws are pretty damn similar in a lot of other states. I don't recall any sort of "here's how you use a condom" or even "this is what a condom is for" lecture in school, either.

Anyhow, this has no bearing on the validity of the paper. About as much as it would if I said "all that stupid, pointless, evil shit that humans did... justifies my opinion that NOTHING THAT HUMANS DO ARE VALID. FUCK YOU ALL."


It's perfectly valid what he said. Now there are a lot of circumstantial stories thrown in there for emotional effect but generally what he is saying about mormonism is true. Not all religions are created equal, even as an athiest I can look at most normal, moderate to liberal chrisitans, jews, and a believers in all sorts of religion and still have a healthy respect for their ability to reason. Mormons, not so much. One of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card, is a pretty liberal Mormon, and hes completely conservative and will not listen to logic or reason. I doubt he was always that way, cause I can tell by the books. Now I can't read his current stuff cause its all drivel that whines about abortions being murder and other dumb crap.

The fact of the matter is that the book of Mormon is a utterly laughable religious text and anyone who would believe that shit, their opinions about a great deal of things are very suspect if not outright false.

I realize not everyone will agree with me but I am just trying to show where I am coming from. Basically, I give as much credit to this study as those from all them socially conservative think tanks that are usually made of members who are ultra fundamentalist Christians...which is about none.
I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
January 27 2009 10:12 GMT
#128
On January 25 2009 04:45 IzzyCraft wrote:
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On January 25 2009 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:
lol look at this stupid pic the UK articles uses
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Does that look like a negative atmosphere? Would they prefer people going to a pub and driving home drunk or whatever?

Is it me or are they plaing N64 and gamecube at the same time lol

See they must be wasted really bad lol


YA HAHA Wow man. It's been a while since I got double laughs like that.

That pic + that woman = JOKES.
XK ßubonic
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
January 27 2009 11:33 GMT
#129
RivetHead, you are missing the point. I don't care if your religion says that a big blob of flying spaghetti rules the universe and you really believe it. Even if you do, if you say that 2+2=4, then you're still right, regardless of what kind of utter crap you may call your religion. "You believe in the FSM, you must be wrong about 2+2=4" is similar to what ph7 is saying.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
RaptorX
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Germany646 Posts
January 27 2009 14:04 GMT
#130
On January 27 2009 20:33 BottleAbuser wrote: "You believe in the FSM, you must be wrong about 2+2=4" is similar to what ph7 is saying.


ok... what?
I won
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
January 27 2009 14:26 GMT
#131
On January 25 2009 04:24 Rekrul wrote:
YOU DUMB BITCH ITS NOT CAUSE THEY ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, THE FACT IS MOST PEOPLE PLAY VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ALREADY FUCKING SUCK AND THEY ARE PATHETIC LOSERS AND HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO

VIDEO GAMES ARE PREVENTING SUICIDES

KILL URSELF LAURA


Sad but true in a good percentage.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 27 2009 14:49 GMT
#132
On January 27 2009 17:05 RivetHead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2009 13:56 BottleAbuser wrote:
ph7, the liquor laws are pretty damn similar in a lot of other states. I don't recall any sort of "here's how you use a condom" or even "this is what a condom is for" lecture in school, either.

Anyhow, this has no bearing on the validity of the paper. About as much as it would if I said "all that stupid, pointless, evil shit that humans did... justifies my opinion that NOTHING THAT HUMANS DO ARE VALID. FUCK YOU ALL."


It's perfectly valid what he said. Now there are a lot of circumstantial stories thrown in there for emotional effect but generally what he is saying about mormonism is true. Not all religions are created equal, even as an athiest I can look at most normal, moderate to liberal chrisitans, jews, and a believers in all sorts of religion and still have a healthy respect for their ability to reason. Mormons, not so much. One of my favorite authors, Orson Scott Card, is a pretty liberal Mormon, and hes completely conservative and will not listen to logic or reason. I doubt he was always that way, cause I can tell by the books. Now I can't read his current stuff cause its all drivel that whines about abortions being murder and other dumb crap.

The fact of the matter is that the book of Mormon is a utterly laughable religious text and anyone who would believe that shit, their opinions about a great deal of things are very suspect if not outright false.

I realize not everyone will agree with me but I am just trying to show where I am coming from. Basically, I give as much credit to this study as those from all them socially conservative think tanks that are usually made of members who are ultra fundamentalist Christians...which is about none.

You don't even know that she's a Mormon. Notre Dame doesn't hire 100% Catholic faculty and neither does BYU. If she had started this study 4 years earlier, you idiots would be ranting and raving about how she's just a redneck Cornhusker and no one from Nebraska should be listened to.
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BatTheMan
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada759 Posts
January 27 2009 16:10 GMT
#133
i can relate to that.
I see gaming as a distraction, just like television or friends can be. Too much of something is never good for the well being. I`ve been gaming since high school days and would only think about it whenever I'm not doing it. I haven`t been gaming recently because of internet problems and I`ve spent around $1000 in the last month on drugs alcohol and strippers.
I have pretty poor relationship with my self and don`t really want to deal with my life. Simple thing as getting a my medical insurance card renewed. I`m a little bit agoraphobic and pretty much afraid of communicating with people in general when I`m sober. Only thing that`s keeping sane right now is my 9 to 5 Mon-Fri job, because I'm afraid to lose my job. Fear is running my life and always has been.

Thank you for reading
-an addict
aka RichardNPL (RichardNamPhong@Azeroth)
garmule2
Profile Joined March 2006
United States376 Posts
January 27 2009 17:08 GMT
#134
lol anyone ever read the four novels in the Doom series? Yes, based off Doom the PC game. The two authors start with Doom's original plot and over the four books go off on a crazy pro-Mormon tangent. One of the main characters is Mormon, and teachers a hardcore female marine the integrity and value of Mormonism along the way. They also go to the only surviving city, Salt Lake City Utah, after the demons have nuked much of the earth, and there's a ten mile wide bunker underneath the city full of stockpiled weapons and supplies because the Mormons always knew something like this would happen. LOL?
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