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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
I'm generalizing a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that there is a certain level of duty of care in the relationship so don't expect everything to be equal (both financially and emotionally). I dunno man, this is just how i see it and that's the way i interact with women from my culture. | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:00 Element)LoGiC wrote: Still, I don't think we can jump on ForVengeance for what he's saying. Maybe everyone else is in the small pond. For the most he is getting critic because he is generalizing on the majority of men/women. But that his expierence holds true for the rest of the world can easily be ruled out by the many different experiences shared by other TLers as indicated by the poll (1:4 ratio). We have no reason to assume that the 80% majority is in fact the over represented minority. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:09 Showtime! wrote: LoGiC, he's thinking about the old mentality that men are supposed to be the providers for the family. Depending on where you're from. This old social norm has changed drastically. I disagree with that. A lot of things have changed, especially for middle class people but relationships interaction haven't change that much (We are talking about 25+). You being a male still put you in a privileged position to generate more income and is given much more opportunities. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:10 haduken wrote: Women can't do many things, they can't pursue the same career option and their income level is lower than men in general. If you are talking about emotional responsibility then most women are insecure and tend to be moody, and if you expect her to be cool and calm then good luck with that. I'm generalizing a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that there is a certain level of duty of care in the relationship so don't expect everything to be equal (both financially and emotionally). I dunno man, this is just how i see it and that's the way i interact with women from my culture. Yes. That is Chinese culture. ;/ It isn't like that everywhere though. For instance, my Mom makes a lot more than my Dad here. But in some cultures, the men are the caregivers and the women are the providers/hunters. EDIT: In response to your response. That is YOUR culture once again. You need to look at this from a sociologist perspective. A lot of things have changed in the Western World. THEN AGAIN, some ancient societies still exist where the men stay at home looking after the children and the women fish and hunt, women woo the men, etc. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:18 gm.tOSS wrote: For the most he is getting critic because he is generalizing on the majority of men/women. But that his expierence holds true for the rest of the world can easily be ruled out by the many different experiences shared by other TLers as indicated by the poll (1:4 ratio). We have no reason to assume that the 80% majority is in fact the over represented minority. What i find funny is that as soon as someone says something negative, people immediately says that he is generalizing.. They say hey, that cant be true, world cant be a place where bad things happen, and there is no way i am a part of this. Well look at statistic then, how many people are divorcing, how many people are ruining their lifes.. Its sad that its like that, but there is a cruel world out there.. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
There are other alternatives like common law marriage. Perhaps I should have made that a little more clear in my first post. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:24 Showtime! wrote: Yes. That is Chinese culture. ;/ It isn't like that everywhere though. For instance, my Mom makes a lot more than my Dad here. But in some cultures, the men are the caregivers and the women are the providers/hunters. EDIT: In response to your response. That is YOUR culture once again. You need to look at this from a sociologist perspective. A lot of things have changed in the Western World. THEN AGAIN, some ancient societies still exist where the men stay at home looking after the children and the women fish and hunt, women woo the men, etc. Fair point. But you still can't argue that the reverse role is the norm even in western society. | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:31 Samurai- wrote: What i find funny is that as soon as someone says something negative, people immediately says that he is generalizing.. They say hey, that cant be true, world cant be a place where bad things happen, and there is no way i am a part of this. Well look at statistic then, how many people are divorcing, how many people are ruining their lifes.. Its sad that its like that, but there is a cruel world out there.. No one is denying that there are people out there that fit his description to the letter. But he is constantly refering to either all men and women or upon called on it at least to the majority. And thats where the disagreement manifests. Don't think 'we' are not aware that bad things happen. But 'we' weight those up against the good stuff and 4 out 5 people would agree with me that serious realtionships enrich your life and make it more enjoyable. See? We're not generalizing and saying that it holds true for everyone everywhere, but that it's from our point of view a goal worth persueing. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
 , and i find it funny..Otherwise i agree with you, his post was completely biased, but based on my observation and knowledge of people around me, most of them seem happy, but when you actually get to know them, you see that most of them are misserable, are cheating, are getting in fights, some are even beating their woman etc etc, and i have seriously asked my self , even though i already have a "serious" relationship, is it worth it? Yes, at first i was like hey, i am different, it cant happen to me, but i dont know anymore.. And i havent even been hurt or dissapointed or anything yet... | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
We are human. We don't bitch when things are going our way and we bitch when things aren't going our way. | ||
Smurg
Australia3818 Posts
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Genjimaru
Canada515 Posts
On January 11 2009 23:54 Smurg wrote: I fucking love bacon. This. But seriously. Enjoyable isn't much of a thread. Convenient yes or no would be much better. I love my girlfriend but when I want to go hang out with my friends the decision is clear. I'm only 19 though.Young and stupid. Convenience as in comparison to your day to day life and the things you want/like to do. And how a girl limits/affects that. | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
No probs. Much fun. Peace to the whole zulu nation. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
It makes perfect sense to me that in most societies, the males go outside and the females stay inside. My reasoning is thus: outside is more dangerous than inside, and the loss of a female is more costly than the loss of a male. Therefore, if all ancient societies chose which to send out and which to keep inside (specialization is assumed, as it improves efficiency), then it is to be expected that the societies that send the males outside will have an advantage and therefore last longer or spread wider. This would, of course, be just a tendency, which agrees with the small number of societies that do tend to send the females outside. Anything glaringly wrong with my interpretation? | ||
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Naib
Hungary4866 Posts
On January 11 2009 23:54 Smurg wrote: I fucking love bacon. Way to shit on "veteran responsibility" , keep up the good show. You really had to do that when a somewhat intelligible topic with less than usual amount of flame arose, to discuss some important stuff, right? Hell I've been a part of this site for a long time, but I think I can finally understand those "whiners" about TL being really too lenient to admins / old-timers. Yes, it was always like that, but not to this extent. So please, no. Don't do that. ------- I'm really interested in this topic guys, so keep the responses coming. Being as I am (posted above), I could never really understand anyone who doesn't think the same way, because I can't really imagine how would they be doing that. But I want to try to understand, so please, keep posting | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
On January 11 2009 21:10 haduken wrote: Women can't do many things, they can't pursue the same career option and their income level is lower than men in general. If you are talking about emotional responsibility then most women are insecure and tend to be moody, and if you expect her to be cool and calm then good luck with that. I'm generalizing a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that there is a certain level of duty of care in the relationship so don't expect everything to be equal (both financially and emotionally). I dunno man, this is just how i see it and that's the way i interact with women from my culture. I must confirm that in western culture there is equal oppertunity. In lawfirms there are many female partners going for the top. In medical professions women are taking over and are getting ahead forming a majority in most specialisations. In the masters degrees tier women are equally represented. Women here seem to be better at making a choice and sticking to a plan. As CEO's and politicians the men still dominate. But this to is subject to change. Engeneering is still a male stronghold in the Netherlands. In some European countries like Spain there are more women (almost equal) in softwaredevelopment. I don't know why it is more popular there. In the Netherlands most women stay clear from engeneering. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
Having the 'right' person > Being Single > "On the Search" for the 'right' person > Having the 'wrong' person Basically being single and not giving a shit is the best state of affairs save actually being in a relationship with someone awesome. The whole process people normally undertake to find this person, however, is manifestly more bullshit than being single and more often than not it ends up in the state of being in a relationship with someone who makes your life hell. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On January 12 2009 02:56 BottleAbuser wrote: About the gender roles: It makes perfect sense to me that in most societies, the males go outside and the females stay inside. My reasoning is thus: outside is more dangerous than inside, and the loss of a female is more costly than the loss of a male. Therefore, if all ancient societies chose which to send out and which to keep inside (specialization is assumed, as it improves efficiency), then it is to be expected that the societies that send the males outside will have an advantage and therefore last longer or spread wider. This would, of course, be just a tendency, which agrees with the small number of societies that do tend to send the females outside. Anything glaringly wrong with my interpretation? its not the whole reason but is definitely true and part of it in an evolutionary sense same reason why male birds are colorful and females are dull camoflagable colors | ||
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
On January 12 2009 03:11 Naib wrote: Way to shit on "veteran responsibility" , keep up the good show. You really had to do that when a somewhat intelligible topic with less than usual amount of flame arose, to discuss some important stuff, right? Hell I've been a part of this site for a long time, but I think I can finally understand those "whiners" about TL being really too lenient to admins / old-timers. Yes, it was always like that, but not to this extent. So please, no. Don't do that. I thought it was pretty fucking funny. edit: That probably wasnt a very "responsible" reply of me. I foresee a derailing. | ||
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Element)LoGiC
Canada1143 Posts
On January 12 2009 03:11 Naib wrote: Way to shit on "veteran responsibility" , keep up the good show. You really had to do that when a somewhat intelligible topic with less than usual amount of flame arose, to discuss some important stuff, right? Hell I've been a part of this site for a long time, but I think I can finally understand those "whiners" about TL being really too lenient to admins / old-timers. Yes, it was always like that, but not to this extent. So please, no. Don't do that. ------- I'm really interested in this topic guys, so keep the responses coming. Being as I am (posted above), I could never really understand anyone who doesn't think the same way, because I can't really imagine how would they be doing that. But I want to try to understand, so please, keep posting He was disproving a point. It's not his fault it only required four words. | ||
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