Having a woman in your life

On January 08 2009 18:01 dream-_- wrote:
So I am having a late night argument with a friend, his view is that having a serious relationship with a woman degrades from your quality of life and makes you unhappy in general. I think the opposite, that having a woman in your life makes you happier as a whole, and actually makes you realize how important other aspects of your life are as well.

I am curious to what the general opinion is. Obviously it can vary, and a bad relationship can make your life worse while a good one can make your life better. But if you had to make a generalization what would you go with?


Poll: Serious relationships make your life...
(Vote): Less enjoyable
(Vote): More enjoyable

On January 08 2009 18:42 Orome wrote:
way way more enjoyable with a woman in your life, especially if the relationship's still new and fresh.

life's just much more fun when you get out of the shower and the first thing you do is run to your cell to check whether she texted you.

On January 08 2009 18:06 Comeh wrote:
I'm in a serious relationship with a girl...
and well,
I've never been happier in my life. Sure, there is a lot of pressure with some things, and not being around her (like in between semesters) is absolutely terrible, but no matter what happens (barring her cheating on me or something bad along those lines), it's infinitely rewarding, and I would never have it any other way then the way it is right now .
Being in love rocks. :D.

On January 08 2009 18:42 Orome wrote:
way way more enjoyable with a woman in your life, especially if the relationship's still new and fresh.

life's just much more fun when you get out of the shower and the first thing you do is run to your cell to check whether she texted you.

On January 08 2009 19:01 inReacH wrote:


Your joking right, shit like that is the worst part about relationships.
If you can train yourself not do that kind of stuff then it's often +EV.

But if you do that kind of stuff it's probably not helping your life.

On January 08 2009 19:25 Klockan3 wrote:
Having the partner you want is the best thing ever, having a partner you don't really want any longer is one of the worst things ever.

On January 08 2009 20:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:
I think it was best summed up by comedian Richard Jeni:

Would you rather be lonely, or annoyed?

Which I think hits the nail on the head. Some people love the freedom, some people hate being alone and want that other person there. Then again, he committed suicide, so take his words with a grain of salt.

Personally, I absolutely LOVE having a woman in my life, in fact, I would go so far as to say it's changed my life 180 for the better. Before I met her (currently my fiancee btw), my life wasn't the greatest... was kinda going no where, I felt like something was missing. Sounds like a line from a bad 3am infomercial, but it was kinda true. She really helped pull me out of my rut so to speak, and helped me change a lot of things for the better... I owe a lot to her actually. Not to say we don't have little fights or agree or all the time, and hell, there are times where I do miss my freedom a little bit... but honestly I wouldn't give it up for anything. I love where I'm at right now in my life; before her I could see nothing but brick walls around me, and now I see a clear path.

Again, sounds pretty cheesey but it's true.

On January 08 2009 20:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:
I think it was best summed up by comedian Richard Jeni:

Would you rather be lonely, or annoyed?

Which I think hits the nail on the head. Some people love the freedom, some people hate being alone and want that other person there. Then again, he committed suicide, so take his words with a grain of salt.

Personally, I absolutely LOVE having a woman in my life, in fact, I would go so far as to say it's changed my life 180 for the better. Before I met her (currently my fiancee btw), my life wasn't the greatest... was kinda going no where, I felt like something was missing. Sounds like a line from a bad 3am infomercial, but it was kinda true. She really helped pull me out of my rut so to speak, and helped me change a lot of things for the better... I owe a lot to her actually. Not to say we don't have little fights or agree or all the time, and hell, there are times where I do miss my freedom a little bit... but honestly I wouldn't give it up for anything. I love where I'm at right now in my life; before her I could see nothing but brick walls around me, and now I see a clear path.

Again, sounds pretty cheesey but it's true.

On January 08 2009 21:26 intrigue wrote:
it is nice every now and then to fuss over little details about yourself in the mirror and fret about things to say and oh no what if your hand will be sweaty when it reaches for hers or if tonight please god oh please!! is the night you will kiss her. it is nice every now and then to have to wait for her while she takes a shower and an impossibly long time putting on makeup, because you know it's all for you anyway and you're going to be too happy to care about delays as soon as she's bouncing about so beautifully beside you. it is always nice to see someone else's faults as inexplicably cute and quirky in a good way, and having the same done for you. it is nice to have a phone call waiting for you on late nights at work.

for most of us, it's a shame relationships can't stay as these surreal dreams forever. the rules for dating now are (almost absurdly) lax, we simply haven't met the right people, and/or are too young to be able/want to deal with the responsibility and bullshit that is forced upon older couples. i'm not ready for it now and probably won't be for a loooonnnngggggg time, but i really really cannot imagine anything more truly fulfilling than finding the right hand to your left and committing to each other in a final mature relationship.

i am hardly a romantic and this probably sounds super lame, but sometimes i feel as if everything i do to improve myself is to better serve this quite singular purpose.

On January 08 2009 20:32 BottleAbuser wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Also, I think it was Chris Rock who said something similar... "Single and lonely, or married and bored."

On January 08 2009 18:11 HeadBangaa wrote:
Rollercoaster. Ups and downs. Use sparingly.

On January 09 2009 07:54 Trumpet wrote:


Haha, maybe I just got miraculously lucky; but when my gf saw how much fun me & my friends had playing fighting games she immediately started playing too. Nine months later, she's always asking to go to the arcade after work so we can practice vs the good people there, my casual friends being too easy for her now xD

Definitely agree with Hot_Bid too. Exponentially happier and more driven now.

On January 09 2009 07:56 thedeadhaji wrote:
We gotta find intrigue the right man.

On January 08 2009 18:01 dream-_- wrote:
his view is that having a serious relationship with a woman degrades from your quality of life and makes you unhappy in general.

On January 09 2009 07:28 zobz wrote:
Vague question, not enough options on the poll. It depends on the woman, and the man.

On January 08 2009 20:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:
I think it was best summed up by comedian Richard Jeni:

Would you rather be lonely, or annoyed?

Which I think hits the nail on the head. Some people love the freedom, some people hate being alone and want that other person there. Then again, he committed suicide, so take his words with a grain of salt.

Personally, I absolutely LOVE having a woman in my life, in fact, I would go so far as to say it's changed my life 180 for the better. Before I met her (currently my fiancee btw), my life wasn't the greatest... was kinda going no where, I felt like something was missing. Sounds like a line from a bad 3am infomercial, but it was kinda true. She really helped pull me out of my rut so to speak, and helped me change a lot of things for the better... I owe a lot to her actually. Not to say we don't have little fights or agree or all the time, and hell, there are times where I do miss my freedom a little bit... but honestly I wouldn't give it up for anything. I love where I'm at right now in my life; before her I could see nothing but brick walls around me, and now I see a clear path.

Again, sounds pretty cheesey but it's true.

On January 08 2009 21:26 intrigue wrote:
it is nice every now and then to fuss over little details about yourself in the mirror and fret about things to say and oh no what if your hand will be sweaty when it reaches for hers or if tonight please god oh please!! is the night you will kiss her. it is nice every now and then to have to wait for her while she takes a shower and an impossibly long time putting on makeup, because you know it's all for you anyway and you're going to be too happy to care about delays as soon as she's bouncing about so beautifully beside you. it is always nice to see someone else's faults as inexplicably cute and quirky in a good way, and having the same done for you. it is nice to have a phone call waiting for you on late nights at work.

for most of us, it's a shame relationships can't stay as these surreal dreams forever. the rules for dating now are (almost absurdly) lax, we simply haven't met the right people, and/or are too young to be able/want to deal with the responsibility and bullshit that is forced upon older couples. i'm not ready for it now and probably won't be for a loooonnnngggggg time, but i really really cannot imagine anything more truly fulfilling than finding the right hand to your left and committing to each other in a final mature relationship.

i am hardly a romantic and this probably sounds super lame, but sometimes i feel as if everything i do to improve myself is to better serve this quite singular purpose.

On January 09 2009 07:37 decafchicken wrote:
Couldn't tell you, i'm still on my first gf (7 months) and havent been single during college (aka whorefest) so...

But life is more enjoyable with her then it was before.

On January 08 2009 18:49 MyLostTemple wrote:
it really just depends on weather or not you enjoy sex with multiple partners.

On January 09 2009 10:21 Romance_us wrote:
Less enjoyable. The insecure kids who base their lives off of relationships are fucking hilariously pathetic.

On January 09 2009 10:06 lilsusie wrote:


*swoon*

On January 09 2009 10:35 Manifesto7 wrote:


You're not adding anything but flames to the conversation.
--
Nobody is going to be happy in a relationship until they are ok with themselves. People who get into relationships to 'fix' their lives will just bring their unhealthiness with them. I am not saying you have to be perfect, or that your partner cannot help you, but it shouldn't be the main reason for getting involved with someone.

When you are comfortable with yourself, you are then in a position to start giving to someone else, and visas versa. I really think being ni a relationship is a skill. The happiness and length of the relationship often depends on the willingness of both people to tolerate the learning curve and learn from their own mistakes.

On January 09 2009 11:03 Hazz wrote:
this thread depresses me; having never had a gf -_-

On January 08 2009 18:49 MyLostTemple wrote:
it really just depends on weather or not you enjoy sex with multiple partners.

On January 09 2009 12:52 StarSlay3r wrote:
I've had the same problem thor... I think it's because I play games too much though. heh

On January 09 2009 15:24 ForVengeance wrote:
I dont want to tell people what to think/feel, but keep in mind that scientists have shown that the first 1-3 years are the times when the human brain releases high amounts of the endorphin associated with the feeling of being in love. After that time its natural that those levels of endorphins start to decline. This happens so that the partners have to form a stronger bond, proving that they can stay together and give their offspring a greater chance of survival. So all of you out there with under 3 years with a girl consider this fact as to why it isnt a bitch yet.

I have known at least 15 or so couples that were "soulmates" until the 3 year mark then split up, so it really solidifies that research in my mind.

I always have to remind myself when i think about chicks, do they like ME, or do they see in me something they can use for their own benefit? Then i think about all the things i like/find interesting... does she like/understand those things? Hell no she doesnt even know the basics of the things i do. She lacks the ability to see what is brilliant in the things i find interesting. So how could she possibly truly respect my taste? She cant. All she can do is fake interest so that i "like" her. So basically i cant trust her because shes a faker. Further into this point, women cant tell what is brilliant art. They really cant tell one level of execution from the next. A masterpiece is no different than the work of some hack. All they know is what you can "do" with that art/creation. They cant tell a complex pattern from a simple one. All they can do is think "this is worth something to the world" or "you could sell this". Basically a woman respects men who shove themselves into the race of life more than ones who are skilled and highly intelligent but who dont throw themselves into the race.

In short; they will never read into the meaning of your skilled writing, they will say "wow you should become a famous writer". They will never say "wow, you really made the bridge of that song you wrote contrast well with the choruses", she will say "are you going to play shows or put out a cd to sell?" etc etc. They dont respect WHAT you do as far as content or quality, it HOW you use that skill to make money and impress the world that matters to her.

Nothing has made me more disappointed and jumpstarted my loss of innocence than the realization that intelligent and highly creative men have no chance of finding a woman who truly, TRULY understands what he is really about and what he has really done with his mind. Sometimes i wish i was just some dumb armchair quarterback average joe so that i didnt need my girl to have a brain, but i do.

On January 09 2009 15:24 ForVengeance wrote:
I dont want to tell people what to think/feel, but keep in mind that scientists have shown that the first 1-3 years are the times when the human brain releases high amounts of the endorphin associated with the feeling of being in love. After that time its natural that those levels of endorphins start to decline. This happens so that the partners have to form a stronger bond, proving that they can stay together and give their offspring a greater chance of survival. So all of you out there with under 3 years with a girl consider this fact as to why it isnt a bitch yet.

I have known at least 15 or so couples that were "soulmates" until the 3 year mark then split up, so it really solidifies that research in my mind.

I always have to remind myself when i think about chicks, do they like ME, or do they see in me something they can use for their own benefit? Then i think about all the things i like/find interesting... does she like/understand those things? Hell no she doesnt even know the basics of the things i do. She lacks the ability to see what is brilliant in the things i find interesting. So how could she possibly truly respect my taste? She cant. All she can do is fake interest so that i "like" her. So basically i cant trust her because shes a faker. Further into this point, women cant tell what is brilliant art. They really cant tell one level of execution from the next. A masterpiece is no different than the work of some hack. All they know is what you can "do" with that art/creation. They cant tell a complex pattern from a simple one. All they can do is think "this is worth something to the world" or "you could sell this". Basically a woman respects men who shove themselves into the race of life more than ones who are skilled and highly intelligent but who dont throw themselves into the race.

In short; they will never read into the meaning of your skilled writing, they will say "wow you should become a famous writer". They will never say "wow, you really made the bridge of that song you wrote contrast well with the choruses", she will say "are you going to play shows or put out a cd to sell?" etc etc. They dont respect WHAT you do as far as content or quality, it HOW you use that skill to make money and impress the world that matters to her.

Nothing has made me more disappointed and jumpstarted my loss of innocence than the realization that intelligent and highly creative men have no chance of finding a woman who truly, TRULY understands what he is really about and what he has really done with his mind. Sometimes i wish i was just some dumb armchair quarterback average joe so that i didnt need my girl to have a brain, but i do.

perhaps you have just put yourself in a position to meet the wrong type of women

Further into this point, women cant tell what is brilliant art.

intelligent and highly creative men have no chance of finding a woman who truly, TRULY understands what he is really about and what he has really done with his mind.

On January 09 2009 15:55 ForVengeance wrote:
"Personal experiences are not research. Ever."

HAHA these internetz... dude i never said that, watch it now. I said in the paragraph above that scientists have done the research, then in that sentence i stated that from personal experience i have come to really agree that their findings must be true. Come on now, i know bold statements can bring out argumentative nature, but im confident youll find NO trace of me saying what you are implying. Shame on you.

Not at all, some brilliant artists/musicians are women, but a rare few. And no, i dont think women are good at judging art from the perspective of composition. They know what they like, but opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, and i dont reward people for possessing an opinion. I reward them for being able to back it up with something other than playing the "taste" card. The average girl dont know shit about composition. Ha, most average people dont know shit about composition. These are facts.

...Most people are retards. I see it every day. Skinny white guys acting like tough gangstaz at the mall, housewives bleaching their hair and over tanning and trying to look half their age, young chicks digging talentless crap music just cause the singer is cute, the list goes ON AND ON. People are mostly idiots, yes. That is why the entertainment and product industries are 99 percent identity based consumerism. Dont try to deny. The reason you are thinking i believe men to be smarter is because i didnt take the time to mock mens stupidity in my original post, just women. So try rereading before you get all mad buddy.

It is up to all of us to decide how we view the world. You choose to dwell on the negative stereotypes you see to give yourself a feeling of superiority. Perhaps this attitude is what is causing you to miss exactly what you are looking for.

On January 09 2009 16:23 Manifesto7 wrote:
On the internet, the only meaning you have are the words you decide to use. You cannot glean information from appearance, voice, body language, or previous knowledge of the user. It is very difficult to infer things online.

So, when you write, you should carefully choose your words. If you expect people to understand you based on what is in your head, other than on the page, you are being foolish.

MySpace isn't evidence. MySpace is a particular segment of the population more inclined to have certain traits than others. I'll just repeat what I have already said:



I think it is time you go outside and get a breath of fresh air.

Id think that since most of the human population is on myspace that its a decent cross section.

On January 09 2009 11:24 damenmofa wrote:

I feel sorry for people who think that way, and I dont mean that in a flaming manner at all.
Once you have experienced true love its hard to fathom one can live without it.
When you found the woman you love you would give everything you have to be with her. Not having sex with other women suddenly is a very small sacrifice compared to what you would be willing to sacrifice for her.

On January 09 2009 16:52 GGQ wrote:
Right, so you are a conceited, self-absorbed, narrow-minded douchebag. Got it.

On January 09 2009 16:18 ForVengeance wrote:
I PERSONALLY THINK CHICKS ARE 99 PERCENT IDIOTS.

On January 09 2009 18:08 iloveHieu wrote:
long distant sucks that's all I gotta say =(

On January 09 2009 16:18 ForVengeance wrote:
I PERSONALLY THINK CHICKS ARE 99 PERCENT IDIOTS.

On January 10 2009 02:33 decafchicken wrote:


AGREED



I have yet to meet a girl i would deem of having common sense/ not being an airhead. All of them. Jocks/nerds/hot girls, they're all fucking airheads. Our high school valedictorian has said some of the dumbest things i've ever heard T_T

On January 10 2009 03:15 Cheerio wrote:
Shared Pain Is Half Pain, Shared Joy Is Double Joy

Serious relationships are like a responsible job: you would better not take it on if you are not ready for it. And most people are never ready.

On January 10 2009 03:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
depends entirely on the relationship AND the person
some people would be less happy in any relationship, some would be more happy in almost any relationship, some would be happier in a good relationship and less happy in a bad one

On January 10 2009 03:41 garmule2 wrote:
It's impossible to be truly 100% happy in a relationship.

Depends on what drugs you take.

On January 10 2009 04:23 fanatacist wrote:

This is so true for me... The only thing I really need in this world is to spend as much of my life with the person I want to/will marry... T_T

On January 09 2009 18:08 iloveHieu wrote:
long distant sucks that's all I gotta say =(

On January 10 2009 03:15 KlaCkoN wrote:


I think people in general think way too highly of their own intelligence. The kind of arrogance that stems from a false sense of surpriority is rather disgusting imho.
ForVengance' posts were excellent examples of this as well, I wonder what makes people act that way?

On January 10 2009 16:13 HeadBangaa wrote:
Some of this shit really made me laugh, especially intrigue's post, I mean really, who the fuck is nervous about holding his girlfriend's hand? Maybe when you're 14 and you've known her for 5 days, sheesh.

On January 10 2009 16:51 intrigue wrote:

this seems like an appropriate occasion to try out checkboxes
[ ] reading comprehension
[x] cool

On January 10 2009 16:23 Day[9] wrote:
there needs to be an "always miserable" option

On January 10 2009 04:27 GGQ wrote:


Unless you're already dating her, that's probably not a good thing. It'll tend to make you too dependent in relationships. It's much better to find your meaning/purpose in life somewhere else, which will make you more attractive to women, and give you more to stand on in a relationship.

On January 10 2009 17:40 GinNtoniC wrote:
It enrichens your life, but can be a huge burden to freedom.
That's why I won't answer the poll, because it's somewhere in the grayzone. at least for me

On January 11 2009 13:24 haduken wrote:
More enjoyable for me. But that is mostly because of my personality. I don't go out that much, don't really socialize or try to keep a circle of friends, i just stay home and work on my own hobbies. Having a girl that understand that and is the same as you helps a lot because you are never lonely ~_~ and it also makes other people who diss you because you are a geek to shut up lol.

On January 11 2009 13:45 MeriaDoKk wrote:


How do you find those girls?

On January 10 2009 16:23 Day[9] wrote:
there needs to be an "always miserable" option

On January 11 2009 14:38 MrOwMrOw wrote:
having a man is better...

On January 11 2009 14:05 cgrinker wrote:
Coincidentally I came on here to tell everyone that I'm slowly if surely discovering the secret to the endless summer of love with your girlfriend, and because of my love for TL you all will be the first people I tell

On January 11 2009 15:19 semioldguy wrote:
It depends on what point in life you are at. Are you at the point in your life you want to play the field and get attention from lots of women? Do you have low self esteem and maybe having a girl makes you feel better about yourself? It just depends on where you are in life and what you want from yourself.

A girl won't make your life more enjoyable if it is not enjoyable already, but it can enhance an already enjoyable life.

On January 11 2009 18:41 ForVengeance wrote:
For all those who thought i was out of line at saying chicks are idiots and a bummer, meet me back here in 10 years when youre married to her, not having sex, not wanting sex cause shes fat as balls after she forced you into having a kid (YES THEY DO THAT), and youre spending 8 hours a day on 18yearsold.com and hiding every single genuine thought and feeling from her just to avoid conflict around the house.

People always say stuff like "if you meet the right one" etc... Let me ask you this... arent all men practically the same in regards to women? I mean, dont we all want the ones who are pretty and younger and not that much of a drag and lower maintenance? If you think about it its all pretty much the vast majority of mens wish lists/demands. Well womens (womens, not your 17 year old GF that dont count) expectations and demands are pretty universal as well. She WILL want to get married. At like 18 shell say she doesnt and its just a piece of paper, they change their tune at 25 man. They say they dont want kids, but they change that tune as well. I know you say "experience doesnt equal research" and i somewhat agree even though technically research is intentionally caused experiences, but i have seen MUCH of this in my life. Every single one of my male friends had cool laid back girlfriends who didnt want kids and didnt want to get married. Then one day they say, "if we arent going to get married then we should break up because we are wasting each others time". THEY ALL SAY THAT SAME LINE MAN. Then once they have you they say the same thing about a kid. I know youre thinkin "if we have fun together then why will she suddenly change?" Thats what they do. A womans urge is to reproduce. It KICKS IN. You cant predict it. And they will pull every trick in the book to screw you into a corner and make you the father. This is not even debatable. Dont bring up the 1 couple in 100 that havent gone down this road. If you are with a chick over time you WILL have her on your back at some point about marriage. Then eventually a kid as well. And that shit aint fun. Youre not gonna be posting your Jaedong comics on TL anymore cause youre going to be changing diapers. Kids are a bitch man. Wives are a bitch. Im not 17. My friends arent 17. This shit is real that i am telling you. They take you one piece at a time.

I urge all men genuinely to stay away from committing to women and make sure you ALWAYS wear a condom. Wear 2. Its the best advice youll ever get. Dont ever believe that your girl is different. Thats the way nature plays you.

Everyone i know whos married is miserable and looks 40 even if they are 25. Everyone i know who isnt married and dont have kids loves life and look ten years younger than they really are. Research or not take from that what you will.

And one more thing... i dont hate women. I respect the ones who achieve things. I despise the ones who sit around waiting to marry men who achieve great things as if it will rub off on her. BTW i dont count academics, school is a joke at measuring peoples mind power. School is homework, not mind ability. If you can do mass homework you can get practically any degree. Its so funny how if you expect a woman to be an achiever rather than just a pretty face people get all hurt and offended. Its also funny how womens demands escalate over time in the realm of money/power/intelligence but men never raise their expectations of women in the realm of intelligence. Society keeps them as pretty toys, and if they take the other route its an uphill battle thats almost not worth it for them. You think i hate women, but really i wish they would grow up and quit being life support systems for wombs and actually DO something. When they do its usually something impressive. This is my last post on this.

On January 11 2009 20:27 Element)LoGiC wrote:
I had absolutely no conceptions whatsoever on what a girl would be like to live with before this, but if this represents the majority of what men go through, perhaps people should be more understanding of what ForVengeance is actually trying to say. You just don't know what some of these women are like. (And if you do, I don't understand how you could ignore ForVengeance's meaning and dissect his posts literally)

On January 11 2009 20:55 strongwind wrote:
First of all,



It isn't.

Second, reading ForVengeance's posts make me think of the fish in a small pond analogy. It's so easy to generalize when you only know so many people around you or conform to the MySpace mentality. That's why I love college; you get to meet so many different kinds of people from all over the world. If you go to a small college, go travel to a different state, or a different country. Once you get a taste that not everyone fits into your preconceptions, you'll stop generalizing as much.

Third, it's easy to be bitter when your significant other does something to hurt you. The more you love something or someone, the greater the potential for disappointment or satisfaction. That's why, as many others have said, it is important to know yourself and where you are in your life, and to see if you're ready to accept the commitment.

On January 11 2009 18:41 ForVengeance wrote:
For all those who thought i was out of line at saying chicks are idiots and a bummer, meet me back here in 10 years when youre married to her, not having sex, not wanting sex cause shes fat as balls after she forced you into having a kid (YES THEY DO THAT), and youre spending 8 hours a day on 18yearsold.com and hiding every single genuine thought and feeling from her just to avoid conflict around the house.

People always say stuff like "if you meet the right one" etc... Let me ask you this... arent all men practically the same in regards to women? I mean, dont we all want the ones who are pretty and younger and not that much of a drag and lower maintenance? If you think about it its all pretty much the vast majority of mens wish lists/demands. Well womens (womens, not your 17 year old GF that dont count) expectations and demands are pretty universal as well. She WILL want to get married. At like 18 shell say she doesnt and its just a piece of paper, they change their tune at 25 man. They say they dont want kids, but they change that tune as well. I know you say "experience doesnt equal research" and i somewhat agree even though technically research is intentionally caused experiences, but i have seen MUCH of this in my life. Every single one of my male friends had cool laid back girlfriends who didnt want kids and didnt want to get married. Then one day they say, "if we arent going to get married then we should break up because we are wasting each others time". THEY ALL SAY THAT SAME LINE MAN. Then once they have you they say the same thing about a kid. I know youre thinkin "if we have fun together then why will she suddenly change?" Thats what they do. A womans urge is to reproduce. It KICKS IN. You cant predict it. And they will pull every trick in the book to screw you into a corner and make you the father. This is not even debatable. Dont bring up the 1 couple in 100 that havent gone down this road. If you are with a chick over time you WILL have her on your back at some point about marriage. Then eventually a kid as well. And that shit aint fun. Youre not gonna be posting your Jaedong comics on TL anymore cause youre going to be changing diapers. Kids are a bitch man. Wives are a bitch. Im not 17. My friends arent 17. This shit is real that i am telling you. They take you one piece at a time.

I urge all men genuinely to stay away from committing to women and make sure you ALWAYS wear a condom. Wear 2. Its the best advice youll ever get. Dont ever believe that your girl is different. Thats the way nature plays you.

Everyone i know whos married is miserable and looks 40 even if they are 25. Everyone i know who isnt married and dont have kids loves life and look ten years younger than they really are. Research or not take from that what you will.

And one more thing... i dont hate women. I respect the ones who achieve things. I despise the ones who sit around waiting to marry men who achieve great things as if it will rub off on her. BTW i dont count academics, school is a joke at measuring peoples mind power. School is homework, not mind ability. If you can do mass homework you can get practically any degree. Its so funny how if you expect a woman to be an achiever rather than just a pretty face people get all hurt and offended. Its also funny how womens demands escalate over time in the realm of money/power/intelligence but men never raise their expectations of women in the realm of intelligence. Society keeps them as pretty toys, and if they take the other route its an uphill battle thats almost not worth it for them. You think i hate women, but really i wish they would grow up and quit being life support systems for wombs and actually DO something. When they do its usually something impressive. This is my last post on this.

On January 11 2009 20:55 strongwind wrote:

...

it's easy to be bitter when your significant other does something to hurt you. The more you love something or someone, the greater the potential for disappointment or satisfaction. That's why, as many others have said, it is important to know yourself and where you are in your life, and to see if you're ready to accept the commitment.

On January 11 2009 21:02 haduken wrote:
Women will always stir shits up dude... What did you expect was suppose to happen?
Your dad and his dad and his dad's dad and countless others have dealt with the same thing.

You might be at a point of life to think it is rather pointless to waste your time on things like this but eventually everything comes back to this. You are the man and the person that is going to earn money, raise kids blah blah blah, your so called individualism is a luxury because you happen to live in a great country with decent social opportunities. Enjoy it while you can but don't think for a second that you some how don't deserve all this responsibility.

I will leave with you some thing said to me by a Korean guy

"Women are born with boobs, That makes their head heavy when they walk so they can't think, you don't have that problem."

lol don't know if that make sense but it was very insightful when i first heard it.

On January 11 2009 21:05 Element)LoGiC wrote:


What does this mean? I don't know what you mean by responsibility. I expect from a woman as much as I give. This is unreasonable?

On January 11 2009 21:00 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Still, I don't think we can jump on ForVengeance for what he's saying. Maybe everyone else is in the small pond.

On January 11 2009 21:09 Showtime! wrote:
LoGiC, he's thinking about the old mentality that men are supposed to be the providers for the family.

Depending on where you're from. This old social norm has changed drastically.

On January 11 2009 21:10 haduken wrote:
Women can't do many things, they can't pursue the same career option and their income level is lower than men in general. If you are talking about emotional responsibility then most women are insecure and tend to be moody, and if you expect her to be cool and calm then good luck with that.

I'm generalizing a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that there is a certain level of duty of care in the relationship so don't expect everything to be equal (both financially and emotionally).

I dunno man, this is just how i see it and that's the way i interact with women from my culture.

On January 11 2009 21:18 gm.tOSS wrote:

For the most he is getting critic because he is generalizing on the majority of men/women. But that his expierence holds true for the rest of the world can easily be ruled out by the many different experiences shared by other TLers as indicated by the poll (1:4 ratio). We have no reason to assume that the 80% majority is in fact the over represented minority.

On January 11 2009 21:24 Showtime! wrote:


Yes. That is Chinese culture. ;/

It isn't like that everywhere though.

For instance, my Mom makes a lot more than my Dad here.

But in some cultures, the men are the caregivers and the women are the providers/hunters.

EDIT: In response to your response.

That is YOUR culture once again. You need to look at this from a sociologist perspective.

A lot of things have changed in the Western World.

THEN AGAIN, some ancient societies still exist where the men stay at home looking after the children and the women fish and hunt, women woo the men, etc.

On January 11 2009 21:31 Samurai- wrote:

What i find funny is that as soon as someone says something negative, people immediately says that he is generalizing.. They say hey, that cant be true, world cant be a place where bad things happen, and there is no way i am a part of this. Well look at statistic then, how many people are divorcing, how many people are ruining their lifes..

Its sad that its like that, but there is a cruel world out there..

On January 11 2009 23:54 Smurg wrote:
I fucking love bacon.

On January 11 2009 23:54 Smurg wrote:
I fucking love bacon.

On January 11 2009 21:10 haduken wrote:
Women can't do many things, they can't pursue the same career option and their income level is lower than men in general. If you are talking about emotional responsibility then most women are insecure and tend to be moody, and if you expect her to be cool and calm then good luck with that.

I'm generalizing a bit here but what I'm trying to say is that there is a certain level of duty of care in the relationship so don't expect everything to be equal (both financially and emotionally).

I dunno man, this is just how i see it and that's the way i interact with women from my culture.

On January 12 2009 02:56 BottleAbuser wrote:
About the gender roles:

It makes perfect sense to me that in most societies, the males go outside and the females stay inside.

My reasoning is thus: outside is more dangerous than inside, and the loss of a female is more costly than the loss of a male. Therefore, if all ancient societies chose which to send out and which to keep inside (specialization is assumed, as it improves efficiency), then it is to be expected that the societies that send the males outside will have an advantage and therefore last longer or spread wider. This would, of course, be just a tendency, which agrees with the small number of societies that do tend to send the females outside.

Anything glaringly wrong with my interpretation?

On January 12 2009 03:11 Naib wrote:


Way to shit on "veteran responsibility" , keep up the good show.

You really had to do that when a somewhat intelligible topic with less than usual amount of flame arose, to discuss some important stuff, right?

Hell I've been a part of this site for a long time, but I think I can finally understand those "whiners" about TL being really too lenient to admins / old-timers. Yes, it was always like that, but not to this extent.

So please, no. Don't do that.

On January 12 2009 03:11 Naib wrote:


Way to shit on "veteran responsibility" , keep up the good show.

You really had to do that when a somewhat intelligible topic with less than usual amount of flame arose, to discuss some important stuff, right?

Hell I've been a part of this site for a long time, but I think I can finally understand those "whiners" about TL being really too lenient to admins / old-timers. Yes, it was always like that, but not to this extent.

So please, no. Don't do that.

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I'm really interested in this topic guys, so keep the responses coming. Being as I am (posted above), I could never really understand anyone who doesn't think the same way, because I can't really imagine how would they be doing that. But I want to try to understand, so please, keep posting

On January 12 2009 05:05 Person514cs wrote:
Sure. The more serious the better. But as long as you don't get married or have kids. With divorce rate greater than 50%. There is a good chance your life will be partially ruined. Unless of course you married to Britney Spear. If you really want a kid of your own. You should just buy an egg, then make one your self.

On January 12 2009 04:27 Element)LoGiC wrote:


He was disproving a point. It's not his fault it only required four words.

On January 12 2009 05:05 Person514cs wrote:
Sure. The more serious the better. But as long as you don't get married or have kids. With divorce rate greater than 50%. There is a good chance your life will be partially ruined. Unless of course you married to Britney Spear. If you really want a kid of your own. You should just buy an egg, then make one your self.