EPTif its kill someone for X money, then no
otherwise, WUG?
Would you sell your principles? - Page 2
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fusionsdf
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On November 11 2008 08:35 Hippopotamus wrote: I mean, let us say, you have to do something as innocuous as filling out a questionnaire for work. For example, let's say it has something disagreeable that you personally disagree with. I think, based on the high thread, that many have liberal attitudes about drugs. Many questionnaires of course expect you to take a stance against drugs. I know how I'm voting after the many I've done. It seems most 'intelligent' people in real life claim they'd never give up on their principles, but maybe a different truth is found in teh intrawebz? I know drugs aren't the way companies/schools act like in the U.S. precisely, but I tell them what they need to hear on any test. This isn't selling out my principles, it's just lying. I don't have a principle that says everyone has to know my convoluted opinions. In fact, I challenge anyone to name a principle I have. The only ones I know of would maybe be to try to remember to eat, and that if I am sick then I try to get better and no one has a right to fuck with that or it's go time. I don't think those are principles either. In fact I would like to know who has principles here, so I can make fun of them. I don't believe in principles, only desires and knowledge. For instance, above he says he wouldn't kill someone for money. Maybe I wouldn't either, but that's not on principle. It's because of knowledge--I think the risk is too high, my life would get really fucked if I did it--not just risk to be jailed or killed, but even risk to my mental health. Maybe it would change me or bug me a lot if I killed someone. Who knows? It's not worth the risk, maybe. That's not a principle. Just because you think you would "never" do X, that doesn't make it a principle. If it was a principle then you wouldn't murder even if it gave you infinite orgasms for all eternity and god-like powers etc. basically you wouldn't do it for infinite. Principles are simplistic oversimplifications of decisions you've made, and when you call them principles you're setting up some issues to arise that aren't real and are the results of this misunderstanding, IMO. | ||
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Frits
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On November 11 2008 09:29 Chef wrote: I don't know who was sampled, how many of these people were sampled, or how often they were sampled, or at what time of the year, and a host of other factors. The stat you gave is basically the same as me saying "Oh well, 99% of Canadians brush their teeth daily." I don't know that. I'd hope so, but even if I took a sample of 99 students at my university, the study is already botched because university students are not really representative of all Canadians. Basically, you gave so little information, that the stat sounded completely made up and bullshit. The fact that you haven't done the research yourself (by that I mean, looking into it to see how credible it is) means you basically don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Statistics are meaningless if you don't know where they came from. The law of natural distribution, the law of large numbers, and the law of regularity. If you can't confirm all three of these in a statistic, do not use it. Even academically obtained statistics need to be scrutinized. Studies often contradict each other. Until you have 99 quality, thoughtful studies saying one thing, and only 1 saying the opposite, you can't really draw any reliable conclusions, and so therefore you shouldn't try to. You can call me a smart ass if you want. That's not why I rant about it. I rant about it because it really fucking pisses me off when people use stats improperly, because they're so powerful in warping the minds of lazy people. I study psychology at a very good university (Leiden university should be comparable to ivy league unis), I work with statistics everyday, stop lecturing me for not properly citing something when posting on TL.net, jesus christ. Im not an idiot your point of criticism is just rediculously out of place here. You're ranting about me not properly citing a source while other people are entering a scientific discussion with "I think....", seriously set your priorities straight if you're gonna be anal about proper internet discussion guidelines. | ||
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On November 11 2008 09:51 Chef wrote: You're point is valid, I will stop being so rediculously out of place. I'll never question any random statistic again, oh might master of the multiple choice Psych exams. grow the fuck up | ||
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mahnini
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HeavOnEarth
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it's not hypocrisy when you realize what you did before was retarded and hate yourself for it which is why hate is a positive emotion :D forces you to better yourself | ||
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Frits
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On November 11 2008 10:01 mahnini wrote: i would sell my principles and lie to you about selling my principles then run away with the money and my principles intact. You would sell your principles but because you lie about it they would stay intact? That doesn't make sense. | ||
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I agree with chef, that statistic totally sounds up - or at bare minimum unsubstantiated. don't wanna be involved in fighting though just saying what I think about that statistic | ||
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fusionsdf
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On November 11 2008 09:42 Frits wrote: I study psychology at a very good university (Leiden university should be comparable to ivy league unis), I work with statistics everyday, stop lecturing me for not properly citing something when posting on TL.net, jesus christ. Im not an idiot your point of criticism is just rediculously out of place here. You're ranting about me not properly citing a source while other people are entering a scientific discussion with "I think....", seriously set your priorities straight if you're gonna be anal about proper internet discussion guidelines. no one is ranting about you not citing everything but you cant just throw out random numbers and expect everyone to go :"haw haw frits is so smart and an ivy league university student Haw Haw Haw!"\ Don't be stuck up. Anyone who throws out random numbers like that is going to get called on it, and nobody gives a fuck what school said poster goes to. you're still going to get asked | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On November 11 2008 10:06 Frits wrote: You would sell your principles but because you lie about it they would stay intact? That doesn't make sense. yes, who says not lying is one of my principles!!! | ||
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QuanticHawk
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Frits
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On November 11 2008 10:01 HeavOnEarth wrote: I'm pretty attached to my principles; in fact; in the cases where i see an instance where i see something i'm doing wrong i just simply change my ideals for the better usually; so when i act i'm still generally sticking to my principles it's not hypocrisy when you realize what you did before was retarded and hate yourself for it which is why hate is a positive emotion :D forces you to better yourself Yes but the question is would you consciously break one of your principles for an X amount of cash. And the wrong- or rightness of an emotion is purely dependant on a situation. To anyone answering remember: Ask a group of people if theyre against murder and nearly all of them would be against it, when actually testing it 61-65% (Blass, 2002) seems to be able to give a lethal shock to another person simply because an authority figure says so. Still interested to see how the poll will turn out though. | ||
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Frits
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On November 11 2008 10:09 mahnini wrote: yes, who says not lying is one of my principles!!! Yeah I know but you're saying you would sell your principles, as in: You would break a principle. | ||
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Frits
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On November 11 2008 10:09 fusionsdf wrote: no one is ranting about you not citing everything but you cant just throw out random numbers and expect everyone to go :"haw haw frits is so smart and an ivy league university student Haw Haw Haw!"\ Don't be stuck up. Anyone who throws out random numbers like that is going to get called on it, and nobody gives a fuck what school said poster goes to. you're still going to get asked My point is: Since when did statistical correctness become such a big deal on the internet. He's just trolling, he didn't ask for a source, he simply stated some sarcastic remark so he could follow up with some lame ass lecture on statistics and what not. I do feel like a douche for mentioning my uni but Im trying to show that just because you have knowledge of a subject doesnt mean you have to present posts as if they were on an academic level, especially in a thread like this. | ||
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