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United States22883 Posts
On November 11 2008 00:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 06:49 Jibba wrote: It is for people with jobs
You've described over and over how you actually need it. It honestly doesn't bother you if someone whose brain functions normally uses it to gain an advantage? why the hell would that bother you.. Seriously? It's an exploit used in competition with others. Tons of people take it or lie about other disabilities when taking LSAT/GRE and I love to see the side effects causing a crash.
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I have ADHD, but not a common diagnosis. My experience is quite irresponsible - it is believed now, that I have had ADHD all my life and it was never diagnosed. The problem is that I 'slipped' through the cracks all throughout my time in school, including college. So I have been completely oblivious to a problem that I learned to suppress or deal with. So about three months ago my mother finally suggested that I may have it and I should go to the doctor. So I found out that I displayed many a symptoms of it and I was put on Adderall asap. I cant say that it helps me think. The only change I feel is how my body feels stimulated. I can't say it helps me concentrate as my mind still wanders very easily. I also take Wellbutron (anti-depressant) so it may hinder or help it as well. There is too many factors to have poll or wide discussion - especially from those who dont have first hand experience. I definitely think both increase good mood, but as far as concentration - i give it +5 out of 10 to the thought process. People that don't use it should keep their asses shut. Your breathing shit into the air fools.
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On November 10 2008 07:04 travis wrote: do you think you have A.D.D?
why do you even want adderall? i'd like to try it, but from what i can see its prescription only in canada, i could be wrong however. but frankly i have alot of things silimair to your stories so i think it would be worth trying. I jsut find myself zoning out constantly.
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Norway28565 Posts
On November 11 2008 01:18 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 00:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 10 2008 06:49 Jibba wrote: It is for people with jobs
You've described over and over how you actually need it. It honestly doesn't bother you if someone whose brain functions normally uses it to gain an advantage? why the hell would that bother you.. Seriously? It's an exploit used in competition with others. Tons of people take it or lie about other disabilities when taking LSAT/GRE and I love to see the side effects causing a crash.
life isnt a competition with others, its about being as good as you can be. if the side effects are so bad that you shouldnt use it, (which I think they are, at least if you use it often) then don't, and consider yourself better off, if the side effects are less bad than the positive it brings, then use it yourself..
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United States22883 Posts
Ok, well you and travis can train for Ninja Warrior together, but the rest of us that sort of like capitalism can concern ourselves with fair competition.
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On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post.
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On November 11 2008 02:13 Jibba wrote: Ok, well you and travis can train for Ninja Warrior together, but the rest of us that sort of like capitalism can concern ourselves with fair competition.
If anyone can do it then it what way is it not fair?
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On November 11 2008 01:45 NastyMarine wrote: I have ADHD, but not a common diagnosis. My experience is quite irresponsible - it is believed now, that I have had ADHD all my life and it was never diagnosed. The problem is that I 'slipped' through the cracks all throughout my time in school, including college. So I have been completely oblivious to a problem that I learned to suppress or deal with. So about three months ago my mother finally suggested that I may have it and I should go to the doctor. So I found out that I displayed many a symptoms of it and I was put on Adderall asap. I cant say that it helps me think. The only change I feel is how my body feels stimulated. I can't say it helps me concentrate as my mind still wanders very easily. I also take Wellbutron (anti-depressant) so it may hinder or help it as well. There is too many factors to have poll or wide discussion - especially from those who dont have first hand experience. I definitely think both increase good mood, but as far as concentration - i give it +5 out of 10 to the thought process. People that don't use it should keep their asses shut. Your breathing shit into the air fools.
so er ...what were/are your symtoms thruout ur life please
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he compares it to things like fraud or faking a disability to get a test score handicap in order to get ahead in life
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oh. so basically he puts a lot of stock in laws and rules. well that is fine. but not everyone does :D
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Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.
I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty).
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Norway28565 Posts
ok I can understand that you do not like people faking a disability to get an advantage when it comes to tests. what I do not understand is, disliking people using adderall to get an advantage _while studying_. this strikes me as no different than drinking coffee to stay up longer.. if you think it gives them a genuine advantage, use it yourself, if you feel the side effects are too severe, then the ones who "cheat" are going to feel the backlash anyway. if you dont want to use it because it is illegal to use without having adhd/add, but you would use it if it were legal, be angry at whatever causes the illegality rather than those who "break the law"..
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United States22883 Posts
On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote: Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.
I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty). Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball.
I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.
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On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed
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On November 11 2008 04:20 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote: Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.
I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty). Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball. I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.
Yah but taking a test in a certain period of time doesn't mean you will know everything. It's not like Adderall makes you smarter.
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On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed
You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.
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On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.
this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people
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On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. ADHD isn't really what it's made out to be by the APA and others. But Adderall being a dextroamphetamine is a psychoactive drug far from being a placebo, while it is not as effective as pure dextro or metamphetamine but it sure does it's job.
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On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people
So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?
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On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote: Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?
I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely.
Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?
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