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bluemanrocks
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States304 Posts
November 11 2008 03:03 GMT
#121
i am fairly certain that though distinctions were clear in the past, add and adhd have now been accepted as the same thing. i could be wrong, and you could be spot on, but i thought i remembered reading that add was just another name for adhd, and vice versa. however, im sure even if that is the case there is still a lot of confusion. i also thought what you were describing was the two types of adhd (inattentive vs. hyperactive) rather than add vs adhd. anyways, glad to see not everyones a dope who thinks something doesnt exist because they havent seen it in action or maybe just havent paid attention.
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K_ Takahashi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States203 Posts
November 11 2008 13:41 GMT
#122
For me I was just up for 2 days with unlimited energy (a gift from buying some acquaintance some pizza he stupidly left his cash elsewhere). I have to say running 1/8th mile to the convince store while listening to speedcore was quite an experience.
tika
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
127 Posts
November 11 2008 15:34 GMT
#123
wiki doesnt seem to distinguish between add and adhd
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
November 11 2008 16:12 GMT
#124
wow, a lot of stupid shit in this thread.

adhd isnt real? psychology is mostly false?

HEY I CANT SEE GRAVITY, CLEARLY FALSE

science isnt pick and fucking choose people
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ailouros
Profile Joined August 2008
United States193 Posts
November 11 2008 16:52 GMT
#125
i'm definitely adhd. I was considering trying adderall a couple years back, but really I'm sort of glad I didn't. It's just not something i'd want to be on for the long run, and god knows I would be. very addictive personality.


probably wouldn't be able to function without it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 11 2008 17:10 GMT
#126
On November 12 2008 01:12 Hawk wrote:
wow, a lot of stupid shit in this thread.

adhd isnt real? psychology is mostly false?

HEY I CANT SEE GRAVITY, CLEARLY FALSE

science isnt pick and fucking choose people


do you even know how psychology works?
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
November 11 2008 18:23 GMT
#127
On November 12 2008 02:10 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 01:12 Hawk wrote:
wow, a lot of stupid shit in this thread.

adhd isnt real? psychology is mostly false?

HEY I CANT SEE GRAVITY, CLEARLY FALSE

science isnt pick and fucking choose people


do you even know how psychology works?



please explain how it's 'false'

they dont do research? they dont conduct experienments? what in gods name would make it a farce
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
November 11 2008 18:25 GMT
#128
sc is the source of all school related problems because of its habit forming and drug-like nature.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 20:21:22
November 11 2008 20:17 GMT
#129
On November 11 2008 03:15 tika wrote:
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On November 11 2008 01:45 NastyMarine wrote:
I have ADHD, but not a common diagnosis. My experience is quite irresponsible - it is believed now, that I have had ADHD all my life and it was never diagnosed. The problem is that I 'slipped' through the cracks all throughout my time in school, including college.
So I have been completely oblivious to a problem that I learned to suppress or deal with. So about three months ago my mother finally suggested that I may have it and I should go to the doctor. So I found out that I displayed many a symptoms of it and I was put on Adderall asap.
I cant say that it helps me think. The only change I feel is how my body feels stimulated. I can't say it helps me concentrate as my mind still wanders very easily. I also take Wellbutron (anti-depressant) so it may hinder or help it as well. There is too many factors to have poll or wide discussion - especially from those who dont have first hand experience. I definitely think both increase good mood, but as far as concentration - i give it +5 out of 10 to the thought process.
People that don't use it should keep their asses shut. Your breathing shit into the air fools.



so er ...what were/are your symtoms thruout ur life please


A lack of short term concentration. To say it generally. I mean I remember names, and faces quiet easily. Conversations, lectures, or simple instructions dont always sink in, even when I am fully paying attention. Also a very wide variety of thought contributes to ADHD type symptoms (ie mind is wandering and does not take in all external communication as normal) - this could be, sometimes, a misdiagnoses where some experience this symptom but do not experience anything hindering them with instructions etc.
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 20:30:30
November 11 2008 20:22 GMT
#130
On November 11 2008 07:40 travis wrote:
well I think that much of it is misleading, but I don't think that it's false and I think that it does uncover bit by bit how the brain functions.

now psychology, that is something that I believe is largely false(though starting to get better).


But I do think that the monist view of consciousness that neuroscientists have is false and misleading.



so there is a chance it was me that gave you that impression


By false psychology I guess you're talking about Freud and his psychoanalysis and other stuff like analysing ink dots. Though that might be true this is a thing of the past and most psychology that is taught nowadays is based on cognitive psychology which is definately scientific. And you have to remember that these older beliefs still helped pave the way for psychology today.

If you think other aspects of it are false as well please enlighten me.

Also psychology is HUGE, you can't just say 'it's largely false', what aspects are false? Which approaches? What beliefs in psychology are false? You're saying the scientific study of mental processes and behavior in general is largely false, why?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 11 2008 20:26 GMT
#131
On November 11 2008 04:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On November 11 2008 04:20 Jibba wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote:
Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.

I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty).

Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball.

I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.


Yah but taking a test in a certain period of time doesn't mean you will know everything. It's not like Adderall makes you smarter.

Adderall makes you recall shit quicker and think faster, yes it makes you temporarily "smarter". It's kinda scary, like I said.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
November 11 2008 20:38 GMT
#132
i'm a bit shocked there are people here who don't think adhd isn't real. having adhd isn't as black and white as having a working leg or a broken one but it should be pretty obvious that there are people with serious focus problems. this goes on the same level as saying people shouldn't take anti-depressants because everyone should just learn to be happy without a pill. people have massively different brains that function on different levels with unique strengths and weaknesses. it's obvious some people have problems focusing just like some people have problems with anxiety and some people get overly depressed for no apparent reason. it's just unrealistic to expect other people to deal with shit like that when a solution that can help their entire lives out is just one prescription away.

addreall will definitely help you focus but it has it's bad sides. the comedown can be terrible and it's often very difficult to eat while you're on it, hence lots of people losing weight when on a prescription. i do think it's a great drug that can help a lot of people out as long as it's taken in moderation.
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
November 11 2008 20:50 GMT
#133
On November 12 2008 05:26 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 04:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:20 Jibba wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote:
Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.

I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty).

Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball.

I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.


Yah but taking a test in a certain period of time doesn't mean you will know everything. It's not like Adderall makes you smarter.

Adderall makes you recall shit quicker and think faster, yes it makes you temporarily "smarter". It's kinda scary, like I said.


it makes you focus more. it doesn't make you smarter. recalling stuff quickly is a matter of focus.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 21:04:53
November 11 2008 21:02 GMT
#134
I think people can question whether ADD/ADHD are legit. They simply describe an amalgamation of "symptoms" and the medication does not "fix" anything. These symptoms are considered problematic because of the expectations imposed upon children. It could be rationally argued that the standards we hold children to, what we make them do, expecting them to sit still and focusing and being quiet, are abnormal. I've heard psychologists say that the public education system is designed to favor you girls over boys, who are naturally rambunctious and adventurous. This leaves male children prone to marginalization and medicalized as having a problem when compared to a skewed institutional norm.

Imagine if we lived in a warrior society, and all the naturally-passive people received diagnoses of ADD: Aggression Deficit Disorder, to explain why they are pussed out and limp-wristed. The treatment of course being a steroidal regimen.

This sounds about as reasonable as giving mind-wandering kids amphetamines to help them focus. Tell me if I'm missing something.

On November 12 2008 05:50 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 05:26 HeadBangaa wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:20 Jibba wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote:
Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.

I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty).

Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball.

I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.


Yah but taking a test in a certain period of time doesn't mean you will know everything. It's not like Adderall makes you smarter.

Adderall makes you recall shit quicker and think faster, yes it makes you temporarily "smarter". It's kinda scary, like I said.


it makes you focus more. it doesn't make you smarter. recalling stuff quickly is a matter of focus.

It spikes your mental ability for a period of time, call that what you want. You're mincing my words. This is not a mystery, it's basically meth. Meth heads are pretty sharp, you ever played scrabble at 5:30am??
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 21:18:41
November 11 2008 21:15 GMT
#135
no i think you're right headbangaa, there is definitely a social construct that forces some categories of people to be at risk of slipping thru the cracks. someone who hardly ever needed to sleep might do well well living in the woods 1500 years ago because he or she was less prone to getting robbed or attacked. yet in modern day society that person might not be able to get set to a schedule of working a 9 to 5 job and it may ultimately affect them negatively.

there's nothing inherently wrong about people who can't focus, but it's always better if we can help them in their lives, especially lives where they are expected to be on the ball for most of the day.
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NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
November 11 2008 21:17 GMT
#136
See with me, I was always a calm child in school, so HeadBangaa, you are wrong here. ADD or maybe ADHD rather, does not only define soley on whether they are radically energetic compared to other students. In my case I was not though now my doctor made it clear that I had solid symptons at my current age (21)
Treatin' fools since '87
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 11 2008 21:22 GMT
#137
On November 12 2008 06:17 NastyMarine wrote:
See with me, I was always a calm child in school, so HeadBangaa, you are wrong here.

My example wasn't talking about you, so no, I wasn't wrong.

If you can name your "symptom" I can enumerate the norm that defines it.

MyLostTemple, I agree with what you just said, I'm just saying people should have an open mind about this, both ways.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
November 11 2008 21:27 GMT
#138
well your right. it just sounds like you were generalizing it for all.
Treatin' fools since '87
tika
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
127 Posts
November 11 2008 22:35 GMT
#139
On November 12 2008 05:50 MyLostTemple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 05:26 HeadBangaa wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:20 Jibba wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:24 HeadBangaa wrote:
Jibba, what do you think about cigarettes? That's a mental stimulant.

I've never thought of telling my coworker that he's being unfair AND stinky (hate working with smokers; always taking free breaks and smelling shitty).

Cigarettes/caffeine aren't even close to the same level, especially once your body adjusts and your performance decreases without having them. If something offers enough of an advantage, it almost becomes a minimum requirement for everyone to stay par, like we saw with steroids in baseball.

I'm not even just talking about using it to study. Tons of people take it because they wouldn't be able to finish the test in time without it. The intention is really no different than faking the disability to have the time limit removed. Then it's no longer a judge of people's ability because they're certainly not using it any other time.


Yah but taking a test in a certain period of time doesn't mean you will know everything. It's not like Adderall makes you smarter.

Adderall makes you recall shit quicker and think faster, yes it makes you temporarily "smarter". It's kinda scary, like I said.


it makes you focus more. it doesn't make you smarter. recalling stuff quickly is a matter of focus.



i reduced my alcohol and weed for a few weeks (after being alcoholic) and started reading engaging things. my memory and CONFIDENCE in my memory increased SUBSTANCIALLY. if you are a lazy alcho fun loving bitch like i am/was , but want to improve vital aspects of yourself, then quit drinking, smoking, and start to read engaging things. IT WORKS PEOPLE ITS NOT JUST SOME SPECULATION. YOU DO GET SATISFACTION FROM THIS TO THE POINT OF NOT WANTING TO DRINK EVER AGAIN...SO LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN IT (by continueing to keep yourself extremely engaged by other things)
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
November 11 2008 22:59 GMT
#140
On November 12 2008 03:23 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 02:10 travis wrote:
On November 12 2008 01:12 Hawk wrote:
wow, a lot of stupid shit in this thread.

adhd isnt real? psychology is mostly false?

HEY I CANT SEE GRAVITY, CLEARLY FALSE

science isnt pick and fucking choose people


do you even know how psychology works?



please explain how it's 'false'

they dont do research? they dont conduct experienments? what in gods name would make it a farce



hmmm I think you are right, there is a lot of misinformation in this thread. But not really that bad...

I am a Psychology major and I feel that Psychology could by some perspectives considered largely false. This depends on your criteria, because since Neuroscience, Brian Scanning, Ect the list goes on are all not really very developed as a science, this leads a lot of the information in psychology to be very strong correlations. Correlations aren't necessarily true.

Psychology is a correlation between what we observe and what we can prove in my eyes.

Research + Experiments != that which cannot be proven in an experiment such as... motive, perceptions, the human mind.... which psychology is a study of, yes?


and ADD/ADHD do exist, why is this an argument? Yes they are obviously over diagnosed....

Drugs aren't bad unless they cause long-term damage or a very strong addiction... but that's because addictions can destroy lives, not necessarily the drugs... Adderall is fine, even if you don't need it... It's just a matter of self control on all counts if you ask me...
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