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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
November 10 2008 20:20 GMT
#101
On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real.

This is what I came to post.

You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed


You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.


this is impressively ignorant
like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people


So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?


I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely.

Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?


No and if you think that's justification enough to say that people don't pay attention then perhaps we can just drop the case here. There's more at work here than neurological differences. I agree that people don't think and feel the same way, but this is something that you develop in your adolescence (which I stated), but I guess I'm just baiting you in an attempt to troll cuz that's what I like to do here evidently.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 10 2008 20:25 GMT
#102
On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real.

This is what I came to post.

You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed


You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.


this is impressively ignorant
like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people


So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?


I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely.

Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?


this is something that you develop in your adolescence


well,

1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly).

2.) what is your point?
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
November 10 2008 20:32 GMT
#103
On November 11 2008 05:25 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real.

This is what I came to post.

You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed


You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.


this is impressively ignorant
like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people


So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?


I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely.

Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?


this is something that you develop in your adolescence


well,

1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly).

2.) what is your point?


1) reading? Idunno I took 2 minutes to google the disease and tried to understand the disease a bit better. Not enough time to thoroughly look at every cause and reason for ADHD since I'm at work but that's the conclusion I would draw. It seems to be more sociological, at least to me.

2) My point is that ADHD is manufactured and the drug is inhibiting a disease that's uncertain. Who know's what adderall really can do long-term. It was foolish for me to just quote the 'placebo' response. I'm just saying adderall is just a manufactured drug that people believe is a cure-all for their attention-related issues. I don't pay attention sometimes, and I lose track of things, but do I have ADHD? Some would suggest yes (on a minor degree); however I would suggest no. I would never use a pill like adderall to make me focus. <--- I guess this is my point
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
November 10 2008 20:41 GMT
#104
On November 10 2008 13:09 HeadBangaa wrote:
I tried cocaine once (well like 8 times in one night) and I thought the adderall was much better.


!

ADDERALL HERE ICOME
Happiness only real when shared.
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-10 21:46:49
November 10 2008 21:46 GMT
#105
On November 11 2008 05:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 05:25 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:
On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real.

This is what I came to post.

You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed


You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence.


this is impressively ignorant
like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people


So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD?


I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely.

Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?


this is something that you develop in your adolescence


well,

1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly).

2.) what is your point?


1) reading? Idunno I took 2 minutes to google the disease and tried to understand the disease a bit better. Not enough time to thoroughly look at every cause and reason for ADHD since I'm at work but that's the conclusion I would draw. It seems to be more sociological, at least to me.

2) My point is that ADHD is manufactured and the drug is inhibiting a disease that's uncertain. Who know's what adderall really can do long-term. It was foolish for me to just quote the 'placebo' response. I'm just saying adderall is just a manufactured drug that people believe is a cure-all for their attention-related issues. I don't pay attention sometimes, and I lose track of things, but do I have ADHD? Some would suggest yes (on a minor degree); however I would suggest no. I would never use a pill like adderall to make me focus. <--- I guess this is my point


ADHD is a term used to describe behavior. If you've studient neurology, you would know humans have an arousal system thats responsible for regulating waking, sleeping, and focusing on specific stimuli. In patients with ADHD, they actually have a deficiency in this system that inhibits their ability to focus for prolonged periods of time. I don't feel like going into all the neurology/biochemsitry, but I will briefly say ADHD drugs upregulate the functions of norepinephrine or serotonin which help keep us alert.

Not everyone has problems focusing. Some people can sit down and plow through hours of material. Others litterally don't have the attention to do so. There are neurological differences accountable for these factors and ADHD meds help with the consequences.

You may believe in free will or the power of effort to induce attention and focusing. Reality doesn't always match everyones beliefs, expecially yours.
Live to win.
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-10 21:48:35
November 10 2008 21:48 GMT
#106
I should also note that psych meds like Adderol are considered the most overprescribed and innappropriately prescribed drugs in recent history. But that doesn't detract from the existance of ADHD or its neurological/biochemical reality.
Live to win.
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
November 10 2008 21:55 GMT
#107
is it available in germany or can I ship it here through some site?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 10 2008 22:03 GMT
#108
Just curious travis, doesn't your belief in the practice of neurology for your ADHD conflict with some of your spiritual beliefs? Or was that Inky that was against neuroscience.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
iheartgna
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States184 Posts
November 10 2008 22:22 GMT
#109
On November 11 2008 06:55 Yuljan wrote:
is it available in germany or can I ship it here through some site?


This is why I'm sad to see this thread is still front page.
Hell is other people.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 10 2008 22:23 GMT
#110
On November 11 2008 07:03 Jibba wrote:
Just curious travis, doesn't your belief in the practice of neurology for your ADHD conflict with some of your spiritual beliefs? Or was that Inky that was against neuroscience.


it conflicts at a point
but I am not at that point yet

and it's not neurology or neuroscience that conflicts, it's the taking of any substance to change my mental state (which may have been what you meant in the first place)
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 10 2008 22:26 GMT
#111
I thought someone said neuroscience was a myth or something.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 10 2008 22:31 GMT
#112
What do you mean by myth? (im not asking for the person's words, I am asking for the impression you got from them).
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 10 2008 22:35 GMT
#113
That the work done by neuroscientists was false and would lead nowhere.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 10 2008 22:39 GMT
#114
On November 11 2008 07:35 Jibba wrote:
That the work done by neuroscientists was false and would lead nowhere.



lol who the hell said that?

that is tom cruiseish
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-10 22:41:48
November 10 2008 22:40 GMT
#115
well I think that much of it is misleading, but I don't think that it's false and I think that it does uncover bit by bit how the brain functions.

now psychology, that is something that I believe is largely false(though starting to get better).


But I do think that the monist view of consciousness that neuroscientists have is false and misleading.



so there is a chance it was me that gave you that impression
memmypoker
Profile Joined May 2008
119 Posts
November 10 2008 23:30 GMT
#116
On November 10 2008 03:24 AdamBanks wrote:
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On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real.


Thanks Tom...


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On November 10 2008 03:15 IzzyCraft wrote:
Don't need drugs only need cures that is just a patch. Thus pointless


Ya i totally agree man. Fuck this insulin im waiting for the cure!


well... thats cocaine.
bluemanrocks
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States304 Posts
November 11 2008 01:02 GMT
#117
first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.

next: to those who have said "adhd isnt real" you are, quite simply, wrong. there are two types, and then a "combined" version of both types. both of these types have PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS; underdevelopment of various parts of the brain (most notably prefrontal cortex) that contribute to "normal" people's abilities to concentrate and control impulses both mental and physical.

yes, in all likelihood, it is over diagnosed. yes, adderall, wellbutrin, concerta, dexedrine, dextrostat,cylert, stratera, catapres, norpramin, tofranil, and ritalin, among others are abused. then again thats kind of the point. a definitive 'test' for adhd (that isnt used for the obvious controversy it would entail) is that when a "normal" person takes one of these medicines they will feel stimulated and intensely alert, whereas one with adhd is actually calmed by the medicines.

also, amber[light], saying: "I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test." is actually one of the most arrogant, ignorant things ive seen in a while. considering that humans cognitive abilities are relative, to say doing anything really is "easy" is subjective, and by objectively putting slander to it makes you sound like an ass.

just saying.

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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 11 2008 01:17 GMT
#118
On November 11 2008 10:02 bluemanrocks wrote:
first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.



I agree with everything else in your post but are you sure about this? Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems. I may have conditioned my brain to slow the fuck down, though.
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
November 11 2008 01:49 GMT
#119
On November 11 2008 10:17 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2008 10:02 bluemanrocks wrote:
first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.



I agree with everything else in your post but are you sure about this? Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems. I may have conditioned my brain to slow the fuck down, though.

ADD and ADHD aren't the same, but they appear similar and most people have no idea how to distinguish between the two.
People with ADD are more often emotionally sensitive, overly dramatic, prone to daydreaming, and worriers. People with ADHD, on the other had, are more easily distracted, compulsive, tend to lie, and are rather self senstive. Both are hyperactive, but for different reasons. They appear somewhat similar but are remarkably different. The difference between ADD and ADHD are the brain centers involved. With ADD the problem is thought to be inadequate NE and H-5T flow to the parietal lobe while with ADHD the problem is thought to be frontal cortex.
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aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
November 11 2008 01:52 GMT
#120
On November 11 2008 10:17 travis wrote:
Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems.

It's not uncommen for children to be innatentive, but not hyperactive. However, seeing both is much more common.
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