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On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD? I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely. Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way?
No and if you think that's justification enough to say that people don't pay attention then perhaps we can just drop the case here. There's more at work here than neurological differences. I agree that people don't think and feel the same way, but this is something that you develop in your adolescence (which I stated), but I guess I'm just baiting you in an attempt to troll cuz that's what I like to do here evidently.
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On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD? I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely. Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way? this is something that you develop in your adolescence
well,
1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly).
2.) what is your point?
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On November 11 2008 05:25 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD? I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely. Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way? this is something that you develop in your adolescence well, 1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly). 2.) what is your point?
1) reading? Idunno I took 2 minutes to google the disease and tried to understand the disease a bit better. Not enough time to thoroughly look at every cause and reason for ADHD since I'm at work but that's the conclusion I would draw. It seems to be more sociological, at least to me.
2) My point is that ADHD is manufactured and the drug is inhibiting a disease that's uncertain. Who know's what adderall really can do long-term. It was foolish for me to just quote the 'placebo' response. I'm just saying adderall is just a manufactured drug that people believe is a cure-all for their attention-related issues. I don't pay attention sometimes, and I lose track of things, but do I have ADHD? Some would suggest yes (on a minor degree); however I would suggest no. I would never use a pill like adderall to make me focus. <--- I guess this is my point
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On November 10 2008 13:09 HeadBangaa wrote:
I tried cocaine once (well like 8 times in one night) and I thought the adderall was much better.
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ADDERALL HERE ICOME
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On November 11 2008 05:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:25 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 05:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:12 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 05:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 05:02 travis wrote:On November 11 2008 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 11 2008 04:23 aRod wrote:On November 11 2008 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. This is what I came to post. You have no knowledge of neurology, the drug, how it works. Thank you for expressing you belief people have the power to control their attention though, because that's all your contributed You're right, and I still don't care either way. I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test. ADD and ADHD is just made up disease and the pill is just as bad. If parents actually spent the time being parents maybe there wouldn't be children who relied on pills to perform simple tasks that develop during your adolescence. this is impressively ignorant like ignorant enough to make it plausible you are just baiting people So you believe that distribution of adderall is a good idea, as well as the diagnoses of ADD and ADHD? I speak for myself. And in my case, yes, definitely. Do you think all people have the same neurology? That all people think and feel the same way? this is something that you develop in your adolescence well, 1.) how would you possibly know if that is the case (even though I do think it largely is, but not wholly). 2.) what is your point? 1) reading? Idunno I took 2 minutes to google the disease and tried to understand the disease a bit better. Not enough time to thoroughly look at every cause and reason for ADHD since I'm at work but that's the conclusion I would draw. It seems to be more sociological, at least to me. 2) My point is that ADHD is manufactured and the drug is inhibiting a disease that's uncertain. Who know's what adderall really can do long-term. It was foolish for me to just quote the 'placebo' response. I'm just saying adderall is just a manufactured drug that people believe is a cure-all for their attention-related issues. I don't pay attention sometimes, and I lose track of things, but do I have ADHD? Some would suggest yes (on a minor degree); however I would suggest no. I would never use a pill like adderall to make me focus. <--- I guess this is my point
ADHD is a term used to describe behavior. If you've studient neurology, you would know humans have an arousal system thats responsible for regulating waking, sleeping, and focusing on specific stimuli. In patients with ADHD, they actually have a deficiency in this system that inhibits their ability to focus for prolonged periods of time. I don't feel like going into all the neurology/biochemsitry, but I will briefly say ADHD drugs upregulate the functions of norepinephrine or serotonin which help keep us alert.
Not everyone has problems focusing. Some people can sit down and plow through hours of material. Others litterally don't have the attention to do so. There are neurological differences accountable for these factors and ADHD meds help with the consequences.
You may believe in free will or the power of effort to induce attention and focusing. Reality doesn't always match everyones beliefs, expecially yours.
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I should also note that psych meds like Adderol are considered the most overprescribed and innappropriately prescribed drugs in recent history. But that doesn't detract from the existance of ADHD or its neurological/biochemical reality.
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is it available in germany or can I ship it here through some site?
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Just curious travis, doesn't your belief in the practice of neurology for your ADHD conflict with some of your spiritual beliefs? Or was that Inky that was against neuroscience.
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On November 11 2008 06:55 Yuljan wrote:
is it available in germany or can I ship it here through some site?
This is why I'm sad to see this thread is still front page.
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On November 11 2008 07:03 Jibba wrote:
Just curious travis, doesn't your belief in the practice of neurology for your ADHD conflict with some of your spiritual beliefs? Or was that Inky that was against neuroscience.
it conflicts at a point
but I am not at that point yet
and it's not neurology or neuroscience that conflicts, it's the taking of any substance to change my mental state (which may have been what you meant in the first place)
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I thought someone said neuroscience was a myth or something.
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What do you mean by myth? (im not asking for the person's words, I am asking for the impression you got from them).
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That the work done by neuroscientists was false and would lead nowhere.
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On November 11 2008 07:35 Jibba wrote:
That the work done by neuroscientists was false and would lead nowhere.
lol who the hell said that?
that is tom cruiseish
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well I think that much of it is misleading, but I don't think that it's false and I think that it does uncover bit by bit how the brain functions.
now psychology, that is something that I believe is largely false(though starting to get better).
But I do think that the monist view of consciousness that neuroscientists have is false and misleading.
so there is a chance it was me that gave you that impression
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On November 10 2008 03:24 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 02:42 FzeroXx wrote:
Placebo drug. Grow up and be responsible. ADHD isn't real. Thanks Tom... + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 03:15 IzzyCraft wrote:
Don't need drugs only need cures that is just a patch. Thus pointless Ya i totally agree man. Fuck this insulin im waiting for the cure!
well... thats cocaine.
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first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.
next: to those who have said "adhd isnt real" you are, quite simply, wrong. there are two types, and then a "combined" version of both types. both of these types have PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS; underdevelopment of various parts of the brain (most notably prefrontal cortex) that contribute to "normal" people's abilities to concentrate and control impulses both mental and physical.
yes, in all likelihood, it is over diagnosed. yes, adderall, wellbutrin, concerta, dexedrine, dextrostat,cylert, stratera, catapres, norpramin, tofranil, and ritalin, among others are abused. then again thats kind of the point. a definitive 'test' for adhd (that isnt used for the obvious controversy it would entail) is that when a "normal" person takes one of these medicines they will feel stimulated and intensely alert, whereas one with adhd is actually calmed by the medicines.
also, amber[light], saying: "I've never needed it and I will always look down upon people who 'rely' on this miracle pill to succeed in things that are so easy like studying for a test." is actually one of the most arrogant, ignorant things ive seen in a while. considering that humans cognitive abilities are relative, to say doing anything really is "easy" is subjective, and by objectively putting slander to it makes you sound like an ass.
just saying.
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On November 11 2008 10:02 bluemanrocks wrote:
first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.
I agree with everything else in your post but are you sure about this? Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems. I may have conditioned my brain to slow the fuck down, though.
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On November 11 2008 10:17 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 10:02 bluemanrocks wrote:
first: add and adhd are the same. rather, adhd is the new name for add.
I agree with everything else in your post but are you sure about this? Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems. I may have conditioned my brain to slow the fuck down, though.
ADD and ADHD aren't the same, but they appear similar and most people have no idea how to distinguish between the two.
People with ADD are more often emotionally sensitive, overly dramatic, prone to daydreaming, and worriers. People with ADHD, on the other had, are more easily distracted, compulsive, tend to lie, and are rather self senstive. Both are hyperactive, but for different reasons. They appear somewhat similar but are remarkably different. The difference between ADD and ADHD are the brain centers involved. With ADD the problem is thought to be inadequate NE and H-5T flow to the parietal lobe while with ADHD the problem is thought to be frontal cortex.
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On November 11 2008 10:17 travis wrote:
Cuz in high school I had serious focus problems but I definitely did not have hyperactivity problems.
It's not uncommen for children to be innatentive, but not hyperactive. However, seeing both is much more common.
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