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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
November 09 2008 02:01 GMT
#2321
On November 09 2008 08:02 Suggestion Box wrote:
It might not be very close, but it's still disgusting how many votes McCain got IMO.

It makes me think if Bush could run for a 3rd term he woulda won or something. I mean fuck, you take away the Palin blunder, the fact that McCain is mysteriously acting like bush for the past 8 years completely in the face of his record, walking around like a retard during the debates (and btw sucking at them anyways), running on hokey "they want to raise taxes" bullshit etc., and I think a decent Republican candidate would have had this shit as much as Bush ever did, which just saddens me. The country is still fucked up and stupid guys. McCain tried his best to dump this and he still was right there.

Also how old McCain is. Bob Dole lost harder on the age thing. I guess being about to die doesn't matter anymore? Bob Dole 2012 guys!


This is still a right-center country. I am expecting Obama to be a 2 term president, and then be followed by a Republican.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
November 09 2008 02:03 GMT
#2322
On November 09 2008 10:59 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2008 05:55 1tym wrote:
Bush 47.9% Algore 48.4%. I wouldn't really call 52% 46% close in presidential election.



Does this count as close:

[image loading]


Reagan really was something else. If you want to talk about mandate....


And then, here is Nixon:

[image loading]


Dang, Republicans have a good history of landslides. I think we are about due for another one in 8 years....

(Oh, and I am completely unbiased BTW)
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7205 Posts
November 09 2008 02:12 GMT
#2323
to nixon that wasnt good enough apparently.

He wanted them all.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 02:41:17
November 09 2008 02:12 GMT
#2324
The name may have stayed the same, but Nixon and Reagan were not really in the same party. Goldwater and Reagan maybe, but Nixon was more liberal than any president that has come since him, including Clinton.

And Savio, what exactly is your basis for believing this is a center-right country? There is none, polls have shown the opposite. We're probably going to see two decades of domination by the left, just as we've had it from the right. Dean's rebuilding strategy has been successful.

Why do you think the left (despite the continual sub 65% voting numbers) pushes so hard for rock the vote and the right plays to make people apathetic through ad hominem?

And before you point to something like Prop 8 as "proof", realize that only 6 million voted for it out of CA's total population of 37M (probably above 40 with illegal immigrants.) Also of note:
Exit polls showed black voters favored the ban by a whopping 70-30 percent, while whites were slightly opposed and Hispanics evenly split.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
November 09 2008 02:36 GMT
#2325
[image loading]


interesting article on how the conventional method of voter turnout measurement is flawed, and ends up portraying voter turnout as being lower than it actually is:

http://elections.gmu.edu/voter_turnout.htm

basically, the conventional measurement method includes in it's analysis voters that are ineligible to vote, and thus ends up portraying voter turnout as being lower than it actually is
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 09 2008 02:48 GMT
#2326
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7717669.stm

HOLY GOD I LOVE HIM
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Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 03:11:02
November 09 2008 02:56 GMT
#2327
i dont see the problem of adding community service to high-schools and elementary schools.. what's so wrong with that? it teaches you a whole lot more than many other classes which are all mandatory as well.

What's so wrong with requiring children to spend a small part of their time helping others?

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 09 2008 02:59 GMT
#2328
On November 09 2008 11:48 Jibba wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7717669.stm

HOLY GOD I LOVE HIM

lol. i can't imagine obama approving THAT
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 03:03:10
November 09 2008 03:01 GMT
#2329
Also more indication that the GOP needs to re-align away from 3Gs. I like the direction we're headed.

In becoming the president-elect, Barack Obama made gains among religious voters of almost every type compared with recent Democratic presidential candidates. He handily won the Catholic and Jewish votes, and even picked up support among Protestants and some Evangelicals, long a pillar of Republican ballot-box strength.
...
Some theologians suggest that the religious shift signals the emergence of a faith-based coalition that will counterbalance or, perhaps, replace the religious right. It’s made up of mainline religious progressives, black and Hispanic Evangelicals, and a growing number of younger, white Evangelicals and Catholics.

A “whole new faith coalition is coming together and reaching out to allies in other faith traditions, both Jewish and Muslim,” says Jim Wallis, a theologian on religion and public life. “The generational shift [among Evangelicals and Catholics] is very significant. Many young Christians cast a post-religious-right ballot.”
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boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
November 09 2008 06:05 GMT
#2330
On November 09 2008 11:56 Locke. wrote:
i dont see the problem of adding community service to high-schools and elementary schools.. what's so wrong with that? it teaches you a whole lot more than many other classes which are all mandatory as well.

What's so wrong with requiring children to spend a small part of their time helping others?


I'm liberal but this is fucking ridiculous.
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
November 09 2008 06:22 GMT
#2331
On November 09 2008 12:01 Jibba wrote:
Also more indication that the GOP needs to re-align away from 3Gs. I like the direction we're headed.

Show nested quote +
In becoming the president-elect, Barack Obama made gains among religious voters of almost every type compared with recent Democratic presidential candidates. He handily won the Catholic and Jewish votes, and even picked up support among Protestants and some Evangelicals, long a pillar of Republican ballot-box strength.
...
Some theologians suggest that the religious shift signals the emergence of a faith-based coalition that will counterbalance or, perhaps, replace the religious right. It’s made up of mainline religious progressives, black and Hispanic Evangelicals, and a growing number of younger, white Evangelicals and Catholics.

A “whole new faith coalition is coming together and reaching out to allies in other faith traditions, both Jewish and Muslim,” says Jim Wallis, a theologian on religion and public life. “The generational shift [among Evangelicals and Catholics] is very significant. Many young Christians cast a post-religious-right ballot.”


Actually I see it as a decline in religious power and interest with the future of this country. If you were to graph religious importance with leadership over the last 2 centuries, it would clearly be on a decline. The fact that no religious movement or horde of people managed to have any real impact in this election makes me feel proud that one day religion will have nothing to do with anything at all.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 09 2008 07:00 GMT
#2332
That's exactly what I meant.
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shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
November 09 2008 07:08 GMT
#2333
Blah blah blah. The Country is Left, the Country is Right.

Charisma Theory, damnit.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 08:16:04
November 09 2008 08:10 GMT
#2334
Charisma is defined a lot of different ways and none of them help that theory hold any ground. Clinton only had 43%, and won because Perot stole 19% from Bush. You can basically go down the list and see that it's frivolous, and the author is just inaccurately re-interpreting elections to prove his point. Reagan lost the 1976 Primary to Ford and Ford had essentially already lost by pardoning Nixon. Carter just happened to be there.

Kerry might've lost because of it, but Dean lost the nomination by having too much (and he was a pussy.)
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boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 08:50:56
November 09 2008 08:50 GMT
#2335
Perot did not win the election for Clinton. He slightly widened the margin for Clinton but statements like he stole 19% of the vote (all of the vote) from Bush just seems ridiculous to me.
ProTech_MediC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States498 Posts
November 09 2008 10:10 GMT
#2336
On November 09 2008 15:05 boghat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2008 11:56 Locke. wrote:
i dont see the problem of adding community service to high-schools and elementary schools.. what's so wrong with that? it teaches you a whole lot more than many other classes which are all mandatory as well.

What's so wrong with requiring children to spend a small part of their time helping others?


I'm liberal but this is fucking ridiculous.
college tuition for community service? FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!

anyone that cant afford $50,000 for a college education doesnt deserve a college education. AMIRITE?
MC Fighting!~
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 09 2008 13:36 GMT
#2337
On November 09 2008 17:50 boghat wrote:
Perot did not win the election for Clinton. He slightly widened the margin for Clinton but statements like he stole 19% of the vote (all of the vote) from Bush just seems ridiculous to me.

It doesn't matter what it "seems" to you, it's true. Bush would've won big otherwise, not a single campaigner or politician will tell you otherwise.
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Murk
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada304 Posts
November 09 2008 14:00 GMT
#2338
I'm not an american but was nixon, or reagan any good??
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
November 09 2008 15:18 GMT
#2339
On November 09 2008 19:10 Phoned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2008 15:05 boghat wrote:
On November 09 2008 11:56 Locke. wrote:
i dont see the problem of adding community service to high-schools and elementary schools.. what's so wrong with that? it teaches you a whole lot more than many other classes which are all mandatory as well.

What's so wrong with requiring children to spend a small part of their time helping others?


I'm liberal but this is fucking ridiculous.
college tuition for community service? FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!

anyone that cant afford $50,000 for a college education doesnt deserve a college education. AMIRITE?

Many states already have a similar tuition in exchange for community service program. Nationalization was only a mater of time. Labeling the program as rediculous doesn't serve a point.
Live to win.
Clutch3
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1344 Posts
November 09 2008 15:58 GMT
#2340
On November 09 2008 22:36 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2008 17:50 boghat wrote:
Perot did not win the election for Clinton. He slightly widened the margin for Clinton but statements like he stole 19% of the vote (all of the vote) from Bush just seems ridiculous to me.

It doesn't matter what it "seems" to you, it's true. Bush would've won big otherwise, not a single campaigner or politician will tell you otherwise.

Actually, most serious studies agree that Clinton still would have won, though narrowly, without Perot. In two-way polls he never lost his lead in the closing months, and exit polls reinforce that he would have won in a two-way race. See the wikipedia entry and the references therein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992#Analysis
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