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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
May 27 2008 07:50 GMT
#81
How the hell did I miss this topic? I know I'm bumping this topic, but damn that makes a lot of sense. Haha gj Etter.
ibutoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Australia341 Posts
May 27 2008 08:23 GMT
#82
On February 28 2008 09:43 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Thats an interesting essay DJEtter

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2008 09:43 Last Romantic wrote:
I do have a PC that can run more stuff, but eh. What's the point. I'm not going to buy a crap game with fancy graphics if it plays like crap and I get bored of it that fast. This is why people should focus less on graphics and more on gameplay.


i agree with you so much here




So very true. Look at starcraft.
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
May 27 2008 08:34 GMT
#83
then i guess we'll be using keyboards and mice on our consoles? not a big deal really
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 27 2008 08:36 GMT
#84
On May 27 2008 17:34 MyLostTemple wrote:
then i guess we'll be using keyboards and mice on our consoles? not a big deal really

hopefully... and no stupid chat window popping up to rape u xD
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
May 27 2008 19:54 GMT
#85
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
..
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
May 27 2008 20:37 GMT
#86
On May 27 2008 17:23 ibutoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2008 09:43 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Thats an interesting essay DJEtter

On February 28 2008 09:43 Last Romantic wrote:
I do have a PC that can run more stuff, but eh. What's the point. I'm not going to buy a crap game with fancy graphics if it plays like crap and I get bored of it that fast. This is why people should focus less on graphics and more on gameplay.


i agree with you so much here




So very true. Look at starcraft.

And all the money in the "casual" market.
Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
May 27 2008 20:57 GMT
#87
We are screwed, yeah.
We being hardcore gamers. Because I think TL members are guys who do more than a couple of minutes on the Sims per day on their computer, and who want to make the most of their games.
We want demanding games, not ones that you just wrap in 10 hours by abusing your left mouse button. We don't really give a shit about eye candy (Starcraft was almost laughable back in 1998), but we want a deep gameplay and if possible, a good scenario.
Thing is, producing such a game is very time consuming, whereas investors want their money to yield 20% a year. Every other shitty FPS that would make NASA's computers choke is very fast to produce. It takes huge amounts of money because you need more animations than a Hollywood movie (plus the cost of huge advertising campaings). Yet millions of 13yr-old retarded morons will buy that 60$ piece of crap because they think it must be great to feel like you are in Baghdad headshoting terrorists.
On the other hand, if you take 4 years or more to make a game that will be bashed by magazines because it is too hard, has incomprehensible scenario for the average 2-neuroned idiot, whose explosions don't make you shit in your pants, and hence will sell few copies, the investor will basically have wasted his money. This is why almos nobody still want to take that risk.
The real problem is, the best deal for investors (and so, studios, producers, etc...) is the casual gamer. Because he reacts well to advertisement, big names, eye candy, etc. He is easily controlable.
How many games today are licensed games from a motion picture? Those games are usually even shittier than the movie they come from, but sell millions of copies.
I own a Nintendo DS. I bought the hacking card and have tried like 20 games for free. I stayed more than a week on about 3 of those (New Super Mario, FF3, FFXII:Revenant wings), which I bought in the end. 90% of NDS games barely keep me awake in the doctor's waiting room or in a train or plane. But the NDS is a huge success and those games are very profitable.
Computer games are turning just like motion pictures and music : standardised goods, made by idiots for idiots. Every now and then, some random company will dare to innovate and create a diamond that will shine for years. Like BW.
Yes, we are screwed, but PC gamers not more than console gamers. Just gamers who want a 3 star haute cuisine game they will savour on the long term, and not a Big Mac without pickles game that does barely feeds your needs for a week.
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-27 21:06:58
May 27 2008 21:06 GMT
#88
Yes we are screwed, but I don't think I am screwed! Valve/ Blizzard will never really leave PC gaming and games from these two companies is enough to keep me occupied for however long I want. Team Fortress 2/Half life 2/Left 4 Dead/ Starcraft 2. These games are enough to keep me occupied. The fact is that single player PC gaming is dying but multiplayer PC gaming still lives on!


And even then we are not screwed because we still get ports of some great console games (Assassins Creed and Mass Effect come to mind)
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 27 2008 21:17 GMT
#89
Meh, quality over quantity.

I guess PC releases will be safe from all that 3rd party shit found in consoles.
Since PC gaming is a diminishing market, only the best/high value products will even dare to step into the PC ring, so more power for the already powerful and I have no problem with valve/blizzard etc because they make excellent games that pleases the hardcore gamer.
:D
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20026 Posts
May 27 2008 21:22 GMT
#90
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.


I sure as hell don't have the hardware or software to pirate games for my ps3 (
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
May 27 2008 21:36 GMT
#91
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
If the kids are all on consoles, they will stay on consoles. The same can not be said for the aging gamer market, we only decline, they only rise. We need the Children 'they are the future'.
Can you dig it?
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
May 27 2008 22:36 GMT
#92
On May 28 2008 06:36 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
If the kids are all on consoles, they will stay on consoles. The same can not be said for the aging gamer market, we only decline, they only rise. We need the Children 'they are the future'.


If the kids of XBL are the future...then I want out! lol, but seriously, the XBL community is pretty terrible, try playing Halo 3 competitively, it's awwwwful.

And you're right that PC gaming is dying. It won't completely die as some people are just very die-hard, but eventually even the biggest PC games will have only a few thousand people playing worldwide (note - not counting MMOs, those will go on for quite a while...).
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
May 27 2008 22:40 GMT
#93
On May 28 2008 07:36 Ryot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2008 06:36 ScarFace wrote:
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
If the kids are all on consoles, they will stay on consoles. The same can not be said for the aging gamer market, we only decline, they only rise. We need the Children 'they are the future'.


If the kids of XBL are the future...then I want out! lol, but seriously, the XBL community is pretty terrible, try playing Halo 3 competitively, it's awwwwful.

I still contend that voice chat is one of the worst things to ever become standardized in the gaming industry.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-27 22:44:55
May 27 2008 22:44 GMT
#94
On May 28 2008 07:40 omgbnetsux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2008 07:36 Ryot wrote:
On May 28 2008 06:36 ScarFace wrote:
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
If the kids are all on consoles, they will stay on consoles. The same can not be said for the aging gamer market, we only decline, they only rise. We need the Children 'they are the future'.


If the kids of XBL are the future...then I want out! lol, but seriously, the XBL community is pretty terrible, try playing Halo 3 competitively, it's awwwwful.

I still contend that voice chat is one of the worst things to ever become standardized in the gaming industry.



When absued, yes. But when it's used for it's intended purposes, it's fuckin awesome. Iunno if you're into fps and such, but it's pretty damn cool having a group with mics who knows what they are doing in Battlefield

e: all the more reason for mute!
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-27 22:49:07
May 27 2008 22:45 GMT
#95
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omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
May 27 2008 22:48 GMT
#96
On May 28 2008 07:44 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2008 07:40 omgbnetsux wrote:
On May 28 2008 07:36 Ryot wrote:
On May 28 2008 06:36 ScarFace wrote:
On May 28 2008 04:54 dinmsab wrote:
PC gaming will never die.. shrink? maybe.. but just look how wonderful it is right now without the whiners and 10 years old since x-box has taken care of em. I play COD 4 on my PC and 99.9% of the time end up playing with wonderful people... you go play a round of COD 4 on the x-box and I can guarantee you'll end up with retarded kids swearing over mic for hours without end. The reason? annoying kids dont have high-end PCs, even if they have rich parents it wont matter since I dont think any 10 year old would know what a C2D 3.0ghz 2 gigs of DDR2, and a 8800gt is.

So yeah, PC gaming is slightly dying, but it wont die.. im pretty sure. The only reason why most game companies support the consoles is because it has a larger market, piracy is just an excuse... how hard it is to burn a damn ISO onto a disc compared to mounting an image on your virtual drive, finding and installing the right crack patches and finding the serial key? Both are pretty easy for most of us, but seriously its so obvious how console piracy is much easier to perform.
If the kids are all on consoles, they will stay on consoles. The same can not be said for the aging gamer market, we only decline, they only rise. We need the Children 'they are the future'.


If the kids of XBL are the future...then I want out! lol, but seriously, the XBL community is pretty terrible, try playing Halo 3 competitively, it's awwwwful.

I still contend that voice chat is one of the worst things to ever become standardized in the gaming industry.



When absued, yes. But when it's used for it's intended purposes, it's fuckin awesome. Iunno if you're into fps and such, but it's pretty damn cool having a group with mics who knows what they are doing in Battlefield

e: all the more reason for mute!

I miss the good old days of having to type to my team in UT CTF... No mass teenager mutes then...
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
May 27 2008 22:55 GMT
#97
On May 27 2008 16:50 Klogon wrote:
How the hell did I miss this topic? I know I'm bumping this topic, but damn that makes a lot of sense. Haha gj Etter.

Best bump in the history of TeamLiquid.net, if I do say so myself.

*coughs*
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
May 27 2008 22:57 GMT
#98
On May 28 2008 07:55 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 16:50 Klogon wrote:
How the hell did I miss this topic? I know I'm bumping this topic, but damn that makes a lot of sense. Haha gj Etter.

Best bump in the history of TeamLiquid.net, if I do say so myself.

*coughs*

Go to hell.
Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
May 27 2008 23:05 GMT
#99
This was perhaps the best written essay on why the PC games industry is in trouble that I have read in a long loooong time.
#1 Shuttle Fan.
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1074 Posts
May 27 2008 23:08 GMT
#100
I don't think it is going to affect PC games that much.
Laptops are getting cheaper and cheaper, later on people will have cheap laptops that support reasonable graphics.
I own a laptop to play Video games, it is not that bad, I can still play games like company of heroes.

Kids may like PC games, as consoles are only for gaming. But kids may say they want a computer for homework/projectbut then use it as gaming. Lots of parents in my country discourage children from owning consoels....They can also use project as decoys, i used to alt-tab a lot when playing starcraft, and when i came back i got shitload of minerals...

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