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fishyjoes
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany644 Posts
February 28 2008 17:34 GMT
#61
The german magazin GameStar reported on this topic a few times. There really isnt a very bright future for us PC gamers, despite SC2
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Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
February 28 2008 17:55 GMT
#62
On February 29 2008 01:33 inkblot wrote:
Console controllers suck generally. I have big hands and even the Xbox controller is way too small. And a keyboard/mouse is just way, way better than a controller with 10 buttons and a couple joysticks unless you're playing Mario. Nothing worse than playing an FPS with a joystick. The console FPSs I've seen lately seem to be taking the emphasis off of aiming and putting it onto hiding behind walls.
Well I think it's because they've done away with the Health Bar, and you need to hide behind cover constantly to stay healthy and alive.
Twitter: @KingKosi
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
February 28 2008 18:03 GMT
#63
I think controllers work fine for FPS's once you get used to them. Keyboards and mice won't work on most current console FPS's anyways since they're analog controlled. That is, pushing gently on your movement stick makes you walk, while full press ahead is a run.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
February 28 2008 18:04 GMT
#64
Korea has so many free PC games... almost like it's supposed to be pirated. ~_~
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iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
February 28 2008 18:45 GMT
#65
On February 28 2008 22:50 Jayson X wrote:
Imagine
Imagine this for one second. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your screen, your ps3, your keyboard & mouse and your games. All in your backpack easy. You sit down, plug your shizznit in, and since everyone has the same standard, you put your starcraft2 ps3 dvd in and play with your keyboard and mouse JUST LIKE YOU PLAY ON YOUR COMPUTER. You take a break, surf the internet, watch youtube videos, chat with your friends. Guy asks you if you have Unreal Tournament. You say "shure", put the dvd in there and you play. You don't even need to install anything. Your sounddrive will never fuck up. Your graphiccard will never show you some wierd effect. Guy comes over and asks if you wan't to play a fighting game, you say "shure", pick up your controller and play the fighting game with your controller.

You
just
play.

Image this. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your laptop and a mouse. Oh wait, you don't really have to imagine because it's already possible.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 28 2008 19:08 GMT
#66
Work it Bliz! It's ya birthday! Go Bliz! lolanitpiracyhaxroflcptrbbq! j00r B1r7hd4y!
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8858 Posts
February 28 2008 19:24 GMT
#67
On February 28 2008 09:57 vGl-CoW wrote:
Firstly, we're kind of seeing the Firefox Syndrom (yeah i just made that up now) in the console market, in that piracy isn't much of an issue because nobody cares yet. Remember how Firefox used to be soooo secure? It was because nobody cared enough to actually find holes in it.
As the console market grows, so will console piracy. People will start putting in more of an effort to get games for free when the supply increases dramatically - us youngsters don't like shelling out fifty or sixty bucks for a game that might be good. This is when developers will really see that instead of whining and escaping to a different market, they simply need to produce high quality games.


When you look at the console titles that are selling in the millions, it makes it hard to say that console gaming, in terms of size, is still in its infancy.

Instead, what saves consoles from large-scale piracy is the amount of control they are able to exercise with the medium. Don't want people making illegal copies of games - make the console unable to read DVD-Rs. Don't want people modding their consoles with a drive that can read their illegally copied games - brick modded consoles during an auto-update. Don't want people avoiding updates - then don't allow non-updated consoles to play online or run the newest games.

And the list goes on.

When you have proprietary hardware that must be the same in every instance, you have a lot of control over how that hardware gets used.

Large numbers of gamers is not what makes PC piracy common. PC piracy is common because it's easy. The uber-geek can probably still find a way to pirate games on the current-gen consoles, but it's going to be a lot of work and way too much effort for the average Joe. It's like putting a 20 dollar lock on your 1500 dollar bike - sure, someone can still come and cut the lock, but it keeps the honest thieves away.

--------

Another thing that has been huge in the console surge is good multiplayer features. That used to be the number one reason to play a game on a PC vs. a console. I'd say with the current-generation of consoles, they finally got it right.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
February 28 2008 19:28 GMT
#68
On February 29 2008 03:45 iaretehnoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2008 22:50 Jayson X wrote:
Imagine
Imagine this for one second. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your screen, your ps3, your keyboard & mouse and your games. All in your backpack easy. You sit down, plug your shizznit in, and since everyone has the same standard, you put your starcraft2 ps3 dvd in and play with your keyboard and mouse JUST LIKE YOU PLAY ON YOUR COMPUTER. You take a break, surf the internet, watch youtube videos, chat with your friends. Guy asks you if you have Unreal Tournament. You say "shure", put the dvd in there and you play. You don't even need to install anything. Your sounddrive will never fuck up. Your graphiccard will never show you some wierd effect. Guy comes over and asks if you wan't to play a fighting game, you say "shure", pick up your controller and play the fighting game with your controller.

You
just
play.

Image this. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your laptop and a mouse. Oh wait, you don't really have to imagine because it's already possible.


your point?

don't talk trash about great posts like that, his point is still valid. on consoles you press power, insert a disk and are ready to go. no driver updates, no viruses, no adware, no hassle.
you won't have to buy more ram, a new graphics card or anything like that.

the one reason I didn't buy a xbox360 is because I don't have a high definition tv.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
February 28 2008 19:45 GMT
#69
I havent used a cracked game in years. Mostly since I just dont find any games that are even worth stealing, less pay for them. I have however played some games that my cousin bought and then got bored with. Original games that I would not have bought in the first place.
I prefer to buy my games for the convinience of it and since I dont buy or play many games at all.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20090 Posts
February 28 2008 19:47 GMT
#70
On February 28 2008 22:50 Jayson X wrote:



Imagine
Imagine this for one second. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your screen, your ps3, your keyboard & mouse and your games. All in your backpack easy. You sit down, plug your shizznit in, and since everyone has the same standard, you put your starcraft2 ps3 dvd in and play with your keyboard and mouse JUST LIKE YOU PLAY ON YOUR COMPUTER. You take a break, surf the internet, watch youtube videos, chat with your friends. Guy asks you if you have Unreal Tournament. You say "shure", put the dvd in there and you play. You don't even need to install anything. Your sounddrive will never fuck up. Your graphiccard will never show you some wierd effect. Guy comes over and asks if you wan't to play a fighting game, you say "shure", pick up your controller and play the fighting game with your controller.

You
just
play.


Basically a standardized gaming centered computer.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
February 28 2008 19:58 GMT
#71
Very nice point.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 28 2008 20:02 GMT
#72
On February 28 2008 22:45 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2008 20:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Watch how awesome Half Life / 2 / Diablo / Diablo 2 / Starcraft just for example are in points of story..


Diablo has a story?
I'd substitute that with the Baldur's Gate series.


If you bought Diablo 1 back in the day, you would have received a 50~+ page book with a good deal of it story line.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
February 28 2008 20:03 GMT
#73
I have bought a lot of games and never gotten around to actually play them. I used to grab a lot of cheap gamecube games on ebay each for about 10€.

I'm willing to pay for my games, but they better be good, because I'm never going to buy a game again because the developers have a good reputation. I'll never get over the 50 € I basically threw away when I bought Hellgate London on the day of its release. I played it for like 4 days and then never ran it again.
Hellgate London is the epitome of why games on the PC suck nowadays. The graphics are great (the games doesn't run smoothly on my comp tough) the gameplay is run of the mill and the way you don't get any of the cool features if you don't subscribe is just
Also, the game was barely playable when it was released. Three or four months after the release they finally put up a patch that's gets you the 1.0 version. Just wow. And the game still doesn't have some of the most basic features that WoW had on the date of its release.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
February 28 2008 20:16 GMT
#74
im not worried, PC is aiming for high quality, long lasting games, i believe we will see a lot of subscription based games in the future, since it fits a lot with the "one super game with tons of support" model that people want and love.

SC2 wont have it, but all mmos have it, and its a matter of time until they realize its more worth to make a kickass game with immersive multiplayer that you can play for a long time, than a single player you DL and finish in 5 days, and most ppl dont even care that much to buy the real thing even if it was good, because the standards are higher.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Obama
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada53 Posts
February 28 2008 20:29 GMT
#75
sc2 will have massive piracy upon release, but sooner or later most of the pirates will have to get real copy to play online, its just worth the $
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-28 22:15:48
February 28 2008 22:13 GMT
#76
On February 28 2008 17:17 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2008 17:13 TheosEx wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. That's why Microsoft doesn't care if they take a $100 hit for every Xbox console sold... because they make their millions through the actual games.

Isn't that short term? I remember hearing after the first few initial shipments they make sick profit as they should.


I've been keeping track of just about every aspect of Microsoft's finances in the last few months due to a senior project. Last I checked (late January), they still haven't entirely narrowed the production cost-sales price gap. It used to be that it cost Microsoft some $700 to produce each Xbox, and they finally had it down to $400-500ish, but the sales prices dropped some too (Xbox Arcade @ $280; Xbox Premium @ $350; and Xbox Elite @ $450).

Microsoft is dumping millions of dollars into the Xbox pit, but they're turning up HUGE profits from the games. i.e. Halo 3 selling more than $300 million in the first week, which beat out Spiderman 3's first week performance.

I mean seriously though... take a look at the Xbox 360 Specs and tell me they aren't sick for a measely $300-400. I'm actually planning on buying one sometime soon, modding it, and putting it in my car just because of how crazy it is. If only I could find a way to make it shock-absorbant :-/

As much as I hate anything Microsoft... I have to admit it. This is one area I wouldn't mind if Microsoft monopolized.
GeneralZap
Profile Joined January 2008
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-29 00:04:08
February 28 2008 22:25 GMT
#77
We are not screwed; the industry must learn, or die.


Computers are underrammed, and underteched, and under specs on graphics.

The industry must change.

The console, TV, monitor, and PC need to be fused into one, share ram, and therefore be more powerful, and start being more compact also, and they better add more ram and graphics too.
Death has lost its sting.
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
February 28 2008 22:53 GMT
#78
On February 28 2008 09:43 Last Romantic wrote:
Bravo.

It's really a bummer that my computer doesn't run jack shit. Otherwise I'd actually buy something. I thought I was in the minority on this [despite my computer being a fairly new [2007] and fairly decent VAIO] but apparently the masses use similar computers.

I do have a PC that can run more stuff, but eh. What's the point. I'm not going to buy a crap game with fancy graphics if it plays like crap and I get bored of it that fast. This is why people should focus less on graphics and more on gameplay.


LR, I was going to type this post word for word. Thanks for doing it for me. Seriously, I have a mid range computer (now moving to low end this year, with the advent of GPUs that will soon have more RAM than my system), and I can't play many of the new games that come out. On the other hand, whenever I play most of them, I find that they are terribly boring. In fact, so far nothing feels as good as Starcraft, especially speed and timing wise. I think it's really important that game companies, and especially RTS makers, take a step back and look at how to improve gameplay, because that's what is really important.
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 28 2008 22:54 GMT
#79
On February 29 2008 04:28 distant_voice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2008 03:45 iaretehnoob wrote:
On February 28 2008 22:50 Jayson X wrote:
Imagine
Imagine this for one second. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your screen, your ps3, your keyboard & mouse and your games. All in your backpack easy. You sit down, plug your shizznit in, and since everyone has the same standard, you put your starcraft2 ps3 dvd in and play with your keyboard and mouse JUST LIKE YOU PLAY ON YOUR COMPUTER. You take a break, surf the internet, watch youtube videos, chat with your friends. Guy asks you if you have Unreal Tournament. You say "shure", put the dvd in there and you play. You don't even need to install anything. Your sounddrive will never fuck up. Your graphiccard will never show you some wierd effect. Guy comes over and asks if you wan't to play a fighting game, you say "shure", pick up your controller and play the fighting game with your controller.

You
just
play.

Image this. You come to a LAN party, and all you take with you is your laptop and a mouse. Oh wait, you don't really have to imagine because it's already possible.


your point?

don't talk trash about great posts like that, his point is still valid. on consoles you press power, insert a disk and are ready to go. no driver updates, no viruses, no adware, no hassle.
you won't have to download more ram, a new graphics card or anything like that.

the one reason I didn't buy a xbox360 is because I don't have a high definition tv.

fixed
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Tiamat
Profile Joined February 2003
United States498 Posts
February 28 2008 23:36 GMT
#80
I am still waiting for that day when all the Xbox360's on the internet get a virus that fucks them over. I know they can update their firmware over the internet, what is protecting them against a virus?

As far as I know they are open to the internet without a firewall etc.

It would suck to have that happen and no way to "format reinstall"
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