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fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 20 2022 06:07 GMT
#101
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-20 07:09:20
May 20 2022 06:44 GMT
#102
On May 20 2022 15:07 fakovski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.

I don't think the report by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS) that I linked on the previous page really counts as "the media."

Anyway, what's your more reliable source of information?

*****

A quick Google search for the terms [ Uyghur detainee interview ] will turn up about a dozen videos and articles with interviews of detainees and even a former police officer.

This is the article with the police officer, who describes indiscriminate arrests and common use of torture:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/china/xinjiang-detective-torture-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

In order to help verify his testimony, Jiang showed CNN his police uniform, official documents, photographs, videos, and identification from his time in China, most of which can't be published to protect his identity. CNN has submitted detailed questions to the Chinese government about his accusations, so far without a response.


This former detainee describes systematic rape and also torture:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
I won't quote it here.

There's loads more just on the first page of the Google search, more than I can stomach as I get ready for my bedtime. It's quite sickening to read.
May the BeSt man win.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 20 2022 07:01 GMT
#103
On May 20 2022 15:44 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 15:07 fakovski wrote:
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.

I don't think the report by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS) that I linked on the previous page really counts as "the media."

Anyway, what's your more reliable source of information?


Do you really think that CRS reports more reliable than the media? American goverment make "China Humanrights Report" like annually, you can read it as a thriller novel. I have resources in Chinese, do you read Chinese? I don't think anything printed in Chinese is reliable for you...

so , end of debate.


Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
May 20 2022 07:07 GMT
#104
On May 20 2022 16:01 fakovski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 15:44 Djabanete wrote:
On May 20 2022 15:07 fakovski wrote:
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.

I don't think the report by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS) that I linked on the previous page really counts as "the media."

Anyway, what's your more reliable source of information?


Do you really think that CRS reports more reliable than the media? American goverment make "China Humanrights Report" like annually, you can read it as a thriller novel. I have resources in Chinese, do you read Chinese? I don't think anything printed in Chinese is reliable for you...

No, I don't read Chinese. Nevertheless, if you'd like to share what resources you find trustworthy and explain what they say about this matter, that would be a useful contribution to the thread.
May the BeSt man win.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 20 2022 07:40 GMT
#105
On May 20 2022 16:07 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 16:01 fakovski wrote:
On May 20 2022 15:44 Djabanete wrote:
On May 20 2022 15:07 fakovski wrote:
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.

I don't think the report by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS) that I linked on the previous page really counts as "the media."

Anyway, what's your more reliable source of information?


Do you really think that CRS reports more reliable than the media? American goverment make "China Humanrights Report" like annually, you can read it as a thriller novel. I have resources in Chinese, do you read Chinese? I don't think anything printed in Chinese is reliable for you...

No, I don't read Chinese. Nevertheless, if you'd like to share what resources you find trustworthy and explain what they say about this matter, that would be a useful contribution to the thread.

I am afraid my English skills is not sufficient for the job. Regarding to your new resources, I have access to the cnn report, and can't access the link of bbc news or google, there are horrible personal testimonies , I don't want to say it is fake or not , however I would not be surprised if they are partly truth. There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that, and the torture parts are quite similar to what happened in iraq or afganistan or anyother nations with anti-terrorist fights.
so what are your suggestions? nevermind , I can't do anything too.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 20 2022 07:58 GMT
#106
As you seemed to be a caring and studious man, I suggest you to search some documentary on what Urkrainian gerverment did in Donbass and Lukansk since 2014 , there is a little bit off-topic but still helps people to understand the complex conflicts inside and between nations. I can't give you direct links cos now I have no access to youtube.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17848 Posts
May 20 2022 08:56 GMT
#107
There's already a thread about Ukraine, we're talking about China here.

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 20 2022 13:18 GMT
#108
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
May 20 2022 20:40 GMT
#109
On May 20 2022 16:40 fakovski wrote:
There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that

There are an estimated one million Uyghur people in "re-education" centers / prisons / concentration camps. The idea that they are all terrorists is ludicrous.
May the BeSt man win.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24373 Posts
May 21 2022 00:50 GMT
#110
On May 21 2022 05:40 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 16:40 fakovski wrote:
There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that

There are an estimated one million Uyghur people in "re-education" centers / prisons / concentration camps. The idea that they are all terrorists is ludicrous.

Do people think it is the same million+ from years ago?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:13 GMT
#111
On May 20 2022 22:18 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 15:07 fakovski wrote:
On May 20 2022 14:49 Simberto wrote:

So, without any evidence, you just assume that the family of this random person (including the children?) is involved in terrorism, just because of their ethnicity. And you wonder why people think that maybe this ethnicity is being mistreated?

Not gonna react to your next whataboutism.


Good to know, people who follow the media like sheep and never question their truthfulness better think before posting.

Do people in mainland China have access to this site? If not how are you getting it? This response is so QAnon style, as are much of yours.

Other people have provided sources and info you and those agree with you have provided nothing but "nuhuh" and accusations of racism.

Yes of course, I am now sitting right in mainland China without VPN. I have access to CNN too, but not BBC,do you know why BBC is banned in China? They make great documentaries on Nature and Science, but most of their photo on China is gloomy , the Chinese even make a specil word for BBC style- Infernal Filter.

Though I don't understand “QAon” and "nuhuh", I still have the patience to reply here. I actually translated some of your opinions on China and posted in chinese forums, no one is interested. Yes, most chinese don't really care what the western look on them, oh, for the infos that not worth refuting, I did not reply.

I am grateful that this post reveals some of the ture thoughts on China, which is not quite different from what I expected.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:14 GMT
#112
On May 21 2022 05:40 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2022 16:40 fakovski wrote:
There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that

There are an estimated one million Uyghur people in "re-education" centers / prisons / concentration camps. The idea that they are all terrorists is ludicrous.

yes , ESTIMATED
obviously I and common chinese don't think so, I think "thousands" could be a proper unit.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 21 2022 01:24 GMT
#113
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fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:24 GMT
#114
On May 17 2022 15:16 Manit0u wrote:


Another subject that's quite fascinating, how shitty apartments in China are worth millions of US dollars while at the same time there's thousands of apartment complexes that are completely empty.

that's something every chinese feels really ridiculous , it should not happen in a socialism country
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 21 2022 01:33 GMT
#115
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fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:35 GMT
#116
On May 21 2022 10:24 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2022 09:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 21 2022 05:40 Djabanete wrote:
On May 20 2022 16:40 fakovski wrote:
There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that

There are an estimated one million Uyghur people in "re-education" centers / prisons / concentration camps. The idea that they are all terrorists is ludicrous.

Do people think it is the same million+ from years ago?

Does 1/25th of the entire population of their race, highest in the world work? Do you have any actual information to provide or just condecending, innacurate one liners?

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/world/uyghur-county-in-china-has-highest-prison-rate-in-the-world-1.5904742


Any luck finding any actual source on it not being as bad as it is and been reported on and vetted?

Might be time to stop looking for information to prove your conclusion correct and instead use information to form your conclusions.

Show nested quote +
the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one's existing beliefs

that last line of your info: Wu reported from Taipei, Taiwan.
I actually have NO information on "how many Uyghurs in prison" , you can find chinese goverment's reports on the web, which is offical but unbelievable for you. Only they have numbers, so what do you expect ME to do? You require too much for a common chinese. I don't work for the goverment, I am not quite interested in politics ,I am only an Engineer who happens to get some interest to reply you guys.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 21 2022 01:39 GMT
#117
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fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:52 GMT
#118
Thank you for phraise my grammar,I was good at English, however, without using this language for years,my spellings are sick now. I don't use translation softwares, so sometimes I find it difficult to express my thoughts acurately.
I will not be in jail for posting here, and I think no one will.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 01:56 GMT
#119
On May 21 2022 10:39 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2022 10:35 fakovski wrote:
On May 21 2022 10:24 JimmiC wrote:
On May 21 2022 09:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 21 2022 05:40 Djabanete wrote:
On May 20 2022 16:40 fakovski wrote:
There are “nation split force” in Xinjiang , they did terrible things to civilians ,you can read my former posts, so the goverment must react on that

There are an estimated one million Uyghur people in "re-education" centers / prisons / concentration camps. The idea that they are all terrorists is ludicrous.

Do people think it is the same million+ from years ago?

Does 1/25th of the entire population of their race, highest in the world work? Do you have any actual information to provide or just condecending, innacurate one liners?

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/world/uyghur-county-in-china-has-highest-prison-rate-in-the-world-1.5904742


Any luck finding any actual source on it not being as bad as it is and been reported on and vetted?

Might be time to stop looking for information to prove your conclusion correct and instead use information to form your conclusions.

the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one's existing beliefs

that last line of your info: Wu reported from Taipei, Taiwan.
I actually have NO information on "how many Uyghurs in prison" , you can find chinese goverment's reports on the web, which is offical but unbelievable for you. Only they have numbers, so what do you expect ME to do? You require too much for a common chinese. I don't work for the goverment, I am not quite interested in politics ,I am only an Engineer who happens to get some interest to reply you guys.


You could provide a source. Do you not have newspapers and online reporting? I do not have thr kind of access or understanding of the language.

If it is so easy do it. In fact sourcing your claims is the minimum requirement of politics threads.

OK, I printed "xinjiang humanrights report" in chinese on chinese searching engine baidu, and got about 9,990,000 results, here is one on the first page, you can read it with translation apps.
https://www.chinanews.com.cn/gj/2021/06-29/9509626.shtml
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 21 2022 02:00 GMT
#120
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1719151982671025345&wfr=spider&for=pc
here is one article on xingjiang Terrorist attacks with photos.
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