Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 849

On August 24 2025 16:55 maybenexttime wrote:
In other news, Trump's helping Russia again:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pentagon-restricts-ukraines-us-missiles-211324391.html

On August 24 2025 08:16 spets1 wrote:
I think the problem is not that Trump is being conned or not. The problem is that the west is not listening to Russias demands, conditions for peace agreement. Which has been clearly stated from the start and very clearly since russia annexed those oblasts. Those conditions have not changed and have been constant. The demands may seem to be unacceptable to Ukraine and the west. But at least they are clear.

The west keeps ignoring the demands and has their own demands instead.
If only they heard what the conditions are then everything else is very simple. They could say we don't agree or we agree.

The actions speak for themselves though there is no agreement so the war will go on and outcomes will be decided on the battlefield

Best outcome is EU and US keep supporting Ukraine for as long as possible until 1) Russia collapses, 2) Kremlin comes to their senses (unlikely) or 3) Putin is no longer in power. There is no other way.

On August 24 2025 18:19 spets1 wrote:


I'm wondering, Is this most people's opinions here?

On August 24 2025 16:55 maybenexttime wrote:
In other news, Trump's helping Russia again:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pentagon-restricts-ukraines-us-missiles-211324391.html

On August 24 2025 12:37 spets1 wrote:
You need to try to look at things thru Putin's eyes.
Putin and Russian elites around Putin have this understanding:

If Ukraine becomes anti Russian, gets militarized and joins NATO, it is an existential threat to Russia. Which was happening since the ban of Russian language and systemic killing of Russian ethnic population in the east of Ukraine since 2014. This existential threat is the most important point that the west doesn't understand deeply.

Putin complained and complained and used diplomacy, asked the west to stop it and they didn't. Instead they kept pushing harder. So seeing as this wasn't going to stop and Russia as a country was under existential threat, he lashed out. Began a special military operation which has now grew into a full scale war.

On August 24 2025 18:51 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:


I don't want to figth a war. And I don't want most countries in the world to get nuclear weapons because it's the only way to be safe.
That means it has to be a bad idea for even a much larger country to invade another country.
The best way to achieve this is to help and support Ukraine untill Russia understand that it was a mistake.

On August 24 2025 22:43 Vivax wrote:


Putin is all in, he can‘t just say it was a mistake and stop the war.

The only way it stops is if he exhausts everything he can throw at it and dies along with his designated successors.

On August 24 2025 23:26 Excludos wrote:
If Putin dies the war ends no matter what. Whoever takes over needs to consolidate their power, and attempt to stop the country from falling into ruin ala 1989. There simply won't be time for war.

On August 24 2025 23:29 KwarK wrote:

They can also blame it all on Putin. Putin doesn’t have that luxury.

On August 24 2025 20:40 Simberto wrote:
It is so cute the zeo has found a friend, and now tries to explain his worldview in terms on 1984, completely ignorant of the fact that in the book, he wouldn't be Winston or Julia, but instead he would strive to be O'Brien, but really is more of a Parsons.

On August 24 2025 23:26 Excludos wrote:
If Putin dies the war ends no matter what. Whoever takes over needs to consolidate their power, and attempt to stop the country from falling into ruin ala 1989. There simply won't be time for war.

On August 24 2025 16:17 zeo wrote:

Ah right, most of the units that entered the wedge were destroyed which is why Russian forces retain 2/3rds of the area claimed by pro-UKR sources and Deep State hasn’t updated their map in 10 days. Its almost as if people claimed anywhere recon units were sighted were areas under RU control. The problem for Kiev is that they sent 5 elite brigades that were already deployed to the front line in other areas and all they managed to do was contain the wedge while opening themselves up to FAB strikes.

Here’s a math problem for you, if units are sighted 13km behind the front line, with a width of 6km what is the total area contested? I’ll give you a hint, its not 13 square kilometers. This isn’t a video game, you cannot just ‘call in a UAV’ and ‘scan’ an area that size to find groups of 2-3 people that don’t want to be seen on foot with red dots flashing.

Ukraine lost the bulk of its offensive capabilities in 2023 with the failed counteroffencives toward Rabotino and Bahmut. And what was left was burned through in the Sudza incursion. They still have the ability to counterattack on localized fronts but with units pulled from elsewhere on the front line. Maybe you have an example from the last 30 months where they managed an offensive that resulted in a positive territory gain, unlike the Russian who according to you haven’t been successful in advancing 6000 square km over the same period.

I'm going to split the next part off from this post:

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No evidence of tank production you say? Well, let me introduce you to Conflict Intelligence Team, which is a foriegn linked open-source think tank formed by Russian dissident Ruslan Leviev. Their group is banned in Russia with an arrest warrant out for Leviev.

How Many Т-90M Tanks does Russia Produce? CIT Research

Obviously if you want to read the whole thing the link is above but lets go through the key points:



Got the tank numbers? Moving on



Note that while in 2022 Russia was producing 60-70 T-90Ms, by 2023 it had increased to 140-180, and by 2024 it may have reached 200+ per year, and possibly even as high as 300. And here is the kicker:



This is the most significant of the statements: they confirm that all T-90Ms currently being built are completely new, and not refurbs of older hulls. Keep in mind this is an anti-Russian analysis team, which means they have no incentive to make things up for Russia’s benefit, in fact the opposite.



Here we learn that despite potentially reaching 300+ per year production numbers, UVZ is still expanding its production capacity.



Russian tank losses have shrunk to such a level, that Russia’s current and expanding production capacities for tanks at this point essentially reach net zero. Russia is reaching the ability to fully maintain its tank losses and keep its current number of tanks indefinitely.

Also, the net zero that may have already been reached only pertains to brand new tanks, T-90Ms. But in terms of total tank production, which includes all the refurbished and upgraded T-72, T-80, T-62 still being sent to the front, Russian tank output now vastly surpassed losses.

On August 25 2025 03:32 pmp10 wrote:

Not necessarily, the FSB and other service people will likely take over as they were the base of Putin's power.
Chances are they are even worse than him in paranoia and hostility to the west.

Wars are also the perfect excuse to get rid of political opponents and consolidate power.