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Billyboy
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 17 2024 04:41 Billyboy wrote: For those keeping score Turkey is now 3-0 (Libya, Azerbaijan, Syria) in the last few proxy engagements with Russians Proxys. Turkey and Russia have a pretty interesting relationship at the moment, as they still have pretty close ties with each other. Lots of these various middle east situations indicate Turkey has an enormous amount of "diplomatic high ground" purely by being a major Muslim nation. Their participation in NATO while also being a bit poorly behaved combines well with their ideological similarity to various rebel groups and whatnot. I have been a huge hater of how the west has handled Ukraine. I am generally super pessimistic and think we're all being a bunch of pansies. But I gotta admit, the appearance that Russia can't sustain their imperialism anymore totally changes my assessment. Even if Russia doesn't drain their military into complete irrelevance over the course of Ukraine, removing Russia from the Middle East and firmly placing it under western control would be a colossal win. You could argue it would be a near-checkmate move. Russia has very little room to grow their borders right now. If they lose their international reach, they would cement themselves as a component of China's foreign policy rather than their own empire. | ||
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0x64
Finland4659 Posts
On December 17 2024 06:40 Mohdoo wrote: Lots of these various middle east situations indicate Turkey has an enormous amount of "diplomatic high ground" purely by being a major Muslim nation. Their participation in NATO while also being a bit poorly behaved combines well with their ideological similarity to various rebel groups and whatnot. I have been a huge hater of how the west has handled Ukraine. I am generally super pessimistic and think we're all being a bunch of pansies. But I gotta admit, the appearance that Russia can't sustain their imperialism anymore totally changes my assessment. Even if Russia doesn't drain their military into complete irrelevance over the course of Ukraine, removing Russia from the Middle East and firmly placing it under western control would be a colossal win. You could argue it would be a near-checkmate move. Russia has very little room to grow their borders right now. If they lose their international reach, they would cement themselves as a component of China's foreign policy rather than their own empire. Yup now we know it takes approximately 3 years to go from rich petrol nation to poor Chinese vassal state 🤣. How long before china starts reclaiming their lands in Russia... | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Very sarcastic we changed their entire society to our whims. Then we sent a Korean American to pretend to be a Japanese sumo hero to defeat other Americans in fixed fights to pervert their nationalism . The south explains itself there's a reason why you can find the confederacy in map painted with the shadings from measurables to explain standard of living. | ||
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Billyboy
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
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Billyboy
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On December 18 2024 02:11 KwarK wrote: Is it an assassination if you kill an enemy soldier during wartime? : murder by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons In this way, to this guy, I think it fits the definition. But regardless of what we call it, it is a big move. | ||
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pmp10
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On December 18 2024 01:40 Billyboy wrote: Ukraine assassinated the Russian General in charge of chemical weapons. I'm guessing this one thing Russia responds too in a big way, how they do it no clue. This happening in Moscow, to one of their most well known generals is a huge deal. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4gx6p347dgt The reasoning is very interesting. Very little was said about use of chemicals by Russia, but I doubt Ukraine would do this if they didn't think him involved. Retaliation might also be drastic. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
On December 18 2024 02:28 pmp10 wrote: The reasoning is very interesting. Very little was said about use of chemicals by Russia, but I doubt Ukraine would do this if they didn't think him involved. Retaliation might also be drastic. It could just be that he was one they had a chance at. I am pretty sure Ukraine would assassinate any Russian general they have a chance to. | ||
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Billyboy
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18494 Posts
On December 18 2024 05:41 sertas wrote: Wow this really escalates things, now russia might declare war on ukraine and transition from small scale special millitary operation to full out war, omg Indeed. They might extend their 3-day operation for a 4th day now. Their goals are no doubt to not only denazify Ukraine, but now to deNAZIfy it! | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On December 18 2024 09:59 Gahlo wrote: Russian gonna play the song of time so they can redo the 3 day invasion. Maybe they'd turn into Adult Russia while they're at it? A country one can actually interact with on an intellectual level | ||
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mounteast02
24 Posts
On December 17 2024 10:03 0x64 wrote: Yup now we know it takes approximately 3 years to go from rich petrol nation to poor Chinese vassal state 🤣. How long before china starts reclaiming their lands in Russia... I don't know if this is a sarcastic comment or genuine believe. If you believe russia is becoming a chinese vessel state, I think you do not have much understanding to russia as a nation, or russian people. Did russia became a vessel state of any country after the collapse of soviet union in 1991? If the russia did not became a vessel state then, how (and why) would it become a vessel state today? If the russia did, when and how did it break out from the control of the "master"? Just think about it, how much economic trouble does russia need to be in in order for the chinese to be able to solely control it? How much worse it have to be when compared to the collapse of the soviet union in 1991? The whole "russia is becoming a chinese vessel state" is a propaganda mostly for the russian (ultra) nationalist who have some english langage ability. It is aimed to put pressure to the russian government to not get too close to the chinese. I don't know if that is needed, but it is what it is. And I would caution to believe in something like that. For what it worth, the alleged russian assistance to north korean's nuclear and or missle capability is an indication that russia is not yet a chinese vessel state. Also, as for china "taking back" the land taken by the russian, I am going to say that can only happen when very drastic event happened such as nato troop literally marching into moscow, or the usa suddenly disappeared similar to getting snap out of existence by thanos. etc. From strategic point of view, if china attack russia militarily (in the far east), it just create lots of trouble for china itself. Even if we assume the chinese can do what the israel did to syria in the last two weeks to the russian, china would need to face the usa which is biggest military power in the world, together with Japan and south korea, both countries are in top ten military spending the last time I checked. That is not accounting for the possible reaction of India and other countries. What had happened is that china got russia to agree to open up the development / partnership with china in the far east, then china do not need to take sovereign control of those area as a priority, which means china taking control of russia land is probably not going to happen any time soon. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5914 Posts
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0x64
Finland4659 Posts
On December 19 2024 15:13 mounteast02 wrote: I don't know if this is a sarcastic comment or genuine believe. If you believe russia is becoming a chinese vessel state, I think you do not have much understanding to russia as a nation, or russian people. Did russia became a vessel state of any country after the collapse of soviet union in 1991? If the russia did not became a vessel state then, how (and why) would it become a vessel state today? If the russia did, when and how did it break out from the control of the "master"? Just think about it, how much economic trouble does russia need to be in in order for the chinese to be able to solely control it? How much worse it have to be when compared to the collapse of the soviet union in 1991? The whole "russia is becoming a chinese vessel state" is a propaganda mostly for the russian (ultra) nationalist who have some english langage ability. It is aimed to put pressure to the russian government to not get too close to the chinese. I don't know if that is needed, but it is what it is. And I would caution to believe in something like that. For what it worth, the alleged russian assistance to north korean's nuclear and or missle capability is an indication that russia is not yet a chinese vessel state. Also, as for china "taking back" the land taken by the russian, I am going to say that can only happen when very drastic event happened such as nato troop literally marching into moscow, or the usa suddenly disappeared similar to getting snap out of existence by thanos. etc. From strategic point of view, if china attack russia militarily (in the far east), it just create lots of trouble for china itself. Even if we assume the chinese can do what the israel did to syria in the last two weeks to the russian, china would need to face the usa which is biggest military power in the world, together with Japan and south korea, both countries are in top ten military spending the last time I checked. That is not accounting for the possible reaction of India and other countries. What had happened is that china got russia to agree to open up the development / partnership with china in the far east, then china do not need to take sovereign control of those area as a priority, which means china taking control of russia land is probably not going to happen any time soon. If you think Russia/North Korea deal is not approved by China, you are fooling yourself. Is this a new account or are you a new troll? Which of the older troll were you? All of them? Russia is only standing because of a strong information that currently, all country are doing well enough to not want to start a global war. It's the dumbest of positions, but you can't compete with stupid. Russia was behaving like a teenager, now it is behaving like a toddler. When we see your answer, we understand how that whole shitshow ends up happening. "It is ok to kill people as long as I get paid to argue how great it is on the internet" | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
These are the North Koreans who "aren't there". | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On December 19 2024 18:20 0x64 wrote: If you think Russia/North Korea deal is not approved by China, you are fooling yourself. Is this a new account or are you a new troll? Which of the older troll were you? All of them? Russia is only standing because of a strong information that currently, all country are doing well enough to not want to start a global war. It's the dumbest of positions, but you can't compete with stupid. Russia was behaving like a teenager, now it is behaving like a toddler. When we see your answer, we understand how that whole shitshow ends up happening. "It is ok to kill people as long as I get paid to argue how great it is on the internet" Hard disagree on NK. NK has flouted Chinese wishes for it to exist under Chinese hegemony for decades. China wants to offer NK a nuclear umbrella and alliance in exchange for influence in the regime. But the Kims recognize that Chinese imperialism is much more likely to be a threat to their own personal power than American imperialism and insisted on going rogue. China has been opposed to NK nukes the entire time and NK did it anyway because nukes are a defence against China too, both in terms of China using their position as ally as leverage and in the event of direct conflict. China has pushed for NK to rely on friendship with China to the exclusion of others to create dependence. China is very much not happy with Russia being such a generous friend to NK and giving Kim everything he asks for. | ||
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Billyboy
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