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Excludos
Norway8190 Posts
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0x64
Finland4591 Posts
On December 10 2024 16:49 Excludos wrote: There's no saying that the ally of my enemy is my ally. Russia is responsible for backing up their enemy, so I'd be very surprised if they weren't kicked to the curb Yeah one problem at a time. Could be an issue if they'd need equipment. But the Assad's armed forces probably left plenty. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On December 10 2024 17:16 0x64 wrote: If they need equipment then Russia is in no position to supply them.Yeah one problem at a time. Could be an issue if they'd need equipment. But the Assad's armed forces probably left plenty. | ||
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Billyboy
1283 Posts
I don't think it is decided because when the spoke he specifically mentioned Iran, Hezbollah and Assad as enemies and not Russia. I don't think that door is completely closed. The HTS has specifically named Israel as a country they would consider allying with, which is super shocking. It amkes me think they are either doing it in hopes of having Israel stop bombing. Or Israel is bombing Iranian/Hesbollah infrastructure within Syria and the HTS is happy because they don't want to become Lebanon. They want actual sovereignty, especially from their enemy Iran. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14048 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On December 10 2024 22:40 Billyboy wrote: It will be interesting to say, obviously a lot of hate for Russia, especially with them giving asylum to Assad. also, one of the big things Assad got was "security guarantees" which are for obvious reasons at a all time low value. I would think the "west" and Israel will likely offer more than Russia in terms of trade and helping to rebuild. The down side is that usually comes with more string. I don't think it is decided because when the spoke he specifically mentioned Iran, Hezbollah and Assad as enemies and not Russia. I don't think that door is completely closed. The HTS has specifically named Israel as a country they would consider allying with, which is super shocking. It amkes me think they are either doing it in hopes of having Israel stop bombing. Or Israel is bombing Iranian/Hesbollah infrastructure within Syria and the HTS is happy because they don't want to become Lebanon. They want actual sovereignty, especially from their enemy Iran. Israel commited an airstrike against an airport in Syria and then decided unilaterally that the border agreement between Israel and Syria was over and sent the IDF to sieze the buffer zone in the Golan Heights, so we'll see how that works out. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
I don't see a path to Russia retaining influence in any meaningful way in Syria. | ||
KwarK
United States43263 Posts
On December 11 2024 09:28 Gahlo wrote: Israel commited an airstrike against an airport in Syria and then decided unilaterally that the border agreement between Israel and Syria was over and sent the IDF to sieze the buffer zone in the Golan Heights, so we'll see how that works out. The state they made the agreement with literally ceased to exist. In what sense could it not be over? The army policing the far side of the Golan Heights ceased to exist. Of course the IDF secured it. Who the fuck else was there in the region to secure it? | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation183 Posts
[/QUOTE] Russia has all the power to do so after the US allowed to strike missiles to our territory | ||
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KwarK
United States43263 Posts
On December 11 2024 18:23 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Russia has all the power to do so after the US allowed to strike missiles to our territory Russian soldiers are going into battle in Chinese golf carts. And the US hasn’t struck Russia and isn’t involved in this war. Russia is losing to Ukraine. If the US was in the war you’d have truly had a 3 day war, though not quite as Putin imagined it. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8190 Posts
On December 11 2024 18:23 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Russia has all the power to do so after the US allowed to strike missiles to our territory Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves, and you think they are going to give away the little bit they have left because "us allowed missile strikes"? The logical leaps you people keep making never ceases to amaze me. I'm starting to understand how we got to this point in the first place | ||
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Simberto
Germany11637 Posts
On December 11 2024 18:23 EEk1TwEEk wrote: Russia has all the power to do so after the US allowed to strike missiles to our territory The point isn't that Russia doesn't want to supply equipment. It is that Russia can't. Because they need their equipment to fight in Ukraine. US allowing missile strikes in Russia may change the want, but not the can. Stuff that doesn't exist cannot be sent to Syria. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation614 Posts
On December 10 2024 17:16 0x64 wrote: Yeah one problem at a time. Could be an issue if they'd need equipment. But the Assad's armed forces probably left plenty. Israel bombed most of it to dust during past week, so it wouldn't get into rebels hands. Guess they aren't too sure about former Al-Qaeda becoming pigeons of peace. HTS also expressed their desire to unify Syria, and the biggest obstacle to that are US-backed SDF. So it wouldn't be wise to also make enemies of those, who is already opposed to US. Syria is broke af right now, and HTS wants to show to population that they are better than Assad, so providing population some food and elictriciy could be a start, and Russia could help with that in exchange for keeping the bases as a transfer points at least. But it's to early to say anything as HTS is yet to have a proper control over non-Kurdish part of Syria as well. Also Bloomberg's take on the matter. | ||
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Billyboy
1283 Posts
On December 13 2024 01:02 Ardias wrote: Israel bombed most of it to dust during past week, so it wouldn't get into rebels hands. Guess they aren't too sure about former Al-Qaeda becoming pigeons of peace. HTS also expressed their desire to unify Syria, and the biggest obstacle to that are US-backed SDF. So it wouldn't be wise to also make enemies of those, who is already opposed to US. Syria is broke af right now, and HTS wants to show to population that they are better than Assad, so providing population some food and elictriciy could be a start, and Russia could help with that in exchange for keeping the bases as a transfer points at least. But it's to early to say anything as HTS is yet to have a proper control over non-Kurdish part of Syria as well. Hard to think of the largest stateless nation who is persecuted everywhere they do live as the bad guys. Hopefully the HTS is true to the words they are saying now and Syria can be the first safe place for them. My guess is Russia is there last choice, they have seen the price for Russian help, more and more places are seeing that cost as way to high. | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation183 Posts
On December 11 2024 18:44 KwarK wrote: Russian soldiers are going into battle in Chinese golf carts. And the US hasn’t struck Russia and isn’t involved in this war. Russia is losing to Ukraine. If the US was in the war you’d have truly had a 3 day war, though not quite as Putin imagined it. OK that's just not even funny Where do you get this "Russia is losing to Ukraine", what's the source? Is MSNBC or CNN still telling that we are losing? Russian soldiers are going into battle in Chinese golf carts - and where the hell did you get that? How did we manage to destroy numerous vehicles, tanks, drones, etc with a golf cart? | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation183 Posts
On December 11 2024 19:19 Excludos wrote: Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves, and you think they are going to give away the little bit they have left because "us allowed missile strikes"? The logical leaps you people keep making never ceases to amaze me. I'm starting to understand how we got to this point in the first place "Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves" where did you get that, lol? Guys this is just unbelievable. What's the source of "doesn't have equipment"? Think on your own, the war was sterted in 2022, since that time our ecenomy is on "war path" do you really think we don't have supplies and equipment? | ||
hexhaven
Finland950 Posts
On December 13 2024 22:32 EEk1TwEEk wrote: OK that's just not even funny Where do you get this "Russia is losing to Ukraine", what's the source? Is MSNBC or CNN still telling that we are losing? Technically if you don't define your victory objectives in public you can never lose. e: Back in the spring of 2023 there was this rather famous Russian dude who was complaining about the lack of supplies and equipment in public. In fact, he was so adamant about getting more equipment that he arranged a parade march towards Moscow in June 2023. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11637 Posts
On December 13 2024 22:33 EEk1TwEEk wrote: "Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves" where did you get that, lol? Guys this is just unbelievable. What's the source of "doesn't have equipment"? Think on your own, the war was sterted in 2022, since that time our ecenomy is on "war path" do you really think we don't have supplies and equipment? If you have so much stuff, why do you have to millions of shitty shells from North Korea? | ||
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sertas
Sweden889 Posts
On December 13 2024 22:33 EEk1TwEEk wrote: "Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves" where did you get that, lol? Guys this is just unbelievable. What's the source of "doesn't have equipment"? Think on your own, the war was sterted in 2022, since that time our ecenomy is on "war path" do you really think we don't have supplies and equipment? You know that many of the weapons used where from massive sovjet stocks that where made to fight whole of nato, all the tank plants, artillery depots etc where created over 50 years. Some of these stocks are already empty, and more will be empty this year. North Korea is helping a lot with the deficits but russia cannot produce anything near the intensity that they have had using the existing sovjet stocks. Also russia went from having 9% of ukraine before the war to having 18% after 3 years. Defining this as a victory is laughable, so far there's no victory, just massive losses for little gain. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8190 Posts
On December 13 2024 22:33 EEk1TwEEk wrote: "Russia doesn't have equipment to themselves" where did you get that, lol? Guys this is just unbelievable. What's the source of "doesn't have equipment"? Think on your own, the war was sterted in 2022, since that time our ecenomy is on "war path" do you really think we don't have supplies and equipment? You are importing equipment. A nation that supplies itself wouldn't be buying 3 million artillery shells from North Korea. And then there's the open source intelligences, which have a very good insight into what remains of the more obvious stuff like tanks, BTRs, trucks, artillery systems, etc. But you don't care about things like the truth so who cares? You just want to keep living inside your little fantasy of the great Russian empire and laugh at everyone else, not understanding that the clown is in the mirror | ||
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