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Croatia9461 Posts
On November 07 2024 01:50 zatic wrote:
Trump will stop all aid to Ukraine, sure. That's what he said he'll do on day one.
Hmm is this really something he said? I thought he was pretty careful about not saying that explicitly. His vice president on the other hand...
Personally I don't think Trump will stop the military aid to Ukraine once he sees what the realities of the current situation is. But he's definitely a wildcard so it's hard to predict fully what he'll do.
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United States41661 Posts
On November 07 2024 02:17 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 01:50 zatic wrote:
Trump will stop all aid to Ukraine, sure. That's what he said he'll do on day one. Hmm is this really something he said? I thought he was pretty careful about not saying that explicitly. His vice president on the other hand... Personally I don't think Trump will stop the military aid to Ukraine once he sees what the realities of the current situation is. But he's definitely a wildcard so it's hard to predict fully what he'll do.
Trump previously ordered Zelenskyy to manufacture dirt on Biden before the 2020 election. Zelenskyy refused and Trump got impeached for demanding that people do him favours in exchange for money that had already been granted by Congress.
There is no world in which Trump doesn’t follow through on his previous threats to Zelenskyy.
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On November 07 2024 02:17 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 01:50 zatic wrote:
Trump will stop all aid to Ukraine, sure. That's what he said he'll do on day one. Hmm is this really something he said? I thought he was pretty careful about not saying that explicitly. His vice president on the other hand... Personally I don't think Trump will stop the military aid to Ukraine once he sees what the realities of the current situation is. But he's definitely a wildcard so it's hard to predict fully what he'll do.
The assertion that the US military-industrial complex calls the shots is the most "glass half full" analysis that still has plausibility, but it seems the writing is on the wall imo.
Republicans know Democrats want it though so it's possible they offer it up in exchange for getting Democrats to sign on to their mass deportation plan or something like that. Good chance Democrats take them up on something like that too. Good chance it turns out to be mostly superficial and Ukraine's stuck desperately negotiating for some sort of negative peace and a shred of autonomy anyway though.
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On November 06 2024 20:18 hitthat wrote:
Looks like Ukraine officialy lost the war, because I have no confidence in us and rest of europeans to give Ukraine everything what is needed to win it. Europeans always do the most idiotic moves when it comes to security.
When you are winning so hard you lose because of an election on the other side of the planet. Maybe the Europeans should have acted in their own self interest and not at the behest of their hegemon that can do a 180 every 4 years.
Being a proxy is a bad idea more often than not, more news at 11.
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On November 07 2024 02:39 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 20:18 hitthat wrote:
Looks like Ukraine officialy lost the war, because I have no confidence in us and rest of europeans to give Ukraine everything what is needed to win it. Europeans always do the most idiotic moves when it comes to security. When you are winning so hard you lose because of an election on the other side of the planet. Maybe the Europeans should have acted in their own self interest and not at the behest of their hegemon that can do a 180 every 4 years. Being a proxy is a bad idea more often than not, more news at 11.
Can you stop gloating? Are you seriously happy that the US voted for an egocentric moron and this sabotages the Ukrainian war for their freedom?
I kinda hope that Serbia is the next country Putin puts his eye on, just so you get to see how fun that is. But that seems geographically unlikely.
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I expect the US to continue providing meaningful aid to Ukraine in the near future. Then sooner or later someone from the top of Trump's new administration will propose some stupid peace plan (kind of similar to Trump's peace plan for Palestine), which will be rejected immediately. In the meantime Trump's administration will start fishing for an excuse to pull the plug on the aid, probably something like a poorly worded statement or demand from Zelensky, might also be a military failure or a corruption scandal. I am not sure if they will pull the plug without such excuse. There are a lot of Trump voters who support Ukraine and I would be surprised to see him rush to stop the aid without a pretext, made up or not.
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Vance voted against all ukraine packages, Trump chose him as vp, He also said in the interview with Kamala that sending any us weapons to ukraine was a mistake, they should never have sent any weapons.
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On November 07 2024 02:46 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 02:39 zeo wrote:On November 06 2024 20:18 hitthat wrote:
Looks like Ukraine officialy lost the war, because I have no confidence in us and rest of europeans to give Ukraine everything what is needed to win it. Europeans always do the most idiotic moves when it comes to security. When you are winning so hard you lose because of an election on the other side of the planet. Maybe the Europeans should have acted in their own self interest and not at the behest of their hegemon that can do a 180 every 4 years. Being a proxy is a bad idea more often than not, more news at 11. Can you stop gloating? Are you seriously happy that the US voted for an egocentric moron and this sabotages the Ukrainian war for their freedom? I kinda hope that Serbia is the next country Putin puts his eye on, just so you get to see how fun that is. But that seems geographically unlikely.
Like 90% of russians wanted trump to win and like 85% of serbians, of course they want a pro russia american president
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Vance also called Trump an idiot and himself a never Trumper, I wouldn't base my predictions on anything he said or did.
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On November 07 2024 02:46 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 02:39 zeo wrote:On November 06 2024 20:18 hitthat wrote:
Looks like Ukraine officialy lost the war, because I have no confidence in us and rest of europeans to give Ukraine everything what is needed to win it. Europeans always do the most idiotic moves when it comes to security. When you are winning so hard you lose because of an election on the other side of the planet. Maybe the Europeans should have acted in their own self interest and not at the behest of their hegemon that can do a 180 every 4 years. Being a proxy is a bad idea more often than not, more news at 11. Can you stop gloating? Are you seriously happy that the US voted for an egocentric moron and this sabotages the Ukrainian war for their freedom? I kinda hope that Serbia is the next country Putin puts his eye on, just so you get to see how fun that is. But that seems geographically unlikely.
I've stated multiple times over the last two years that both sides were posturing and waiting for the US presidential elections that would ultimately decide how this conflict will end; brute force or diplomacy. Its not gloating to be glad a lot of people are not going to die.
This war was over two years ago, its been artificially propped up and reanimated on the backs of the wealth of future generations of Europeans and the blood of Ukrainians, but the inevitable end is coming. It will end, Europe will go back to normal, Ukrainians will stop dying, and a United States committed to not starting and funding conflict all around the World is a good thing for humanity.
World Peace isn't such a bad thing, you'll get used to it eventually.
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You're a fucking moron.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 07 2024 03:04 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 02:46 Simberto wrote:On November 07 2024 02:39 zeo wrote:On November 06 2024 20:18 hitthat wrote:
Looks like Ukraine officialy lost the war, because I have no confidence in us and rest of europeans to give Ukraine everything what is needed to win it. Europeans always do the most idiotic moves when it comes to security. When you are winning so hard you lose because of an election on the other side of the planet. Maybe the Europeans should have acted in their own self interest and not at the behest of their hegemon that can do a 180 every 4 years. Being a proxy is a bad idea more often than not, more news at 11. Can you stop gloating? Are you seriously happy that the US voted for an egocentric moron and this sabotages the Ukrainian war for their freedom? I kinda hope that Serbia is the next country Putin puts his eye on, just so you get to see how fun that is. But that seems geographically unlikely. I've stated multiple times over the last two years that both sides were posturing and waiting for the US presidential elections that would ultimately decide how this conflict will end; brute force or diplomacy. Its not gloating to be glad a lot of people are not going to die. This war was over two years ago, its been artificially propped up and reanimated on the backs of the wealth of future generations of Europeans and the blood of Ukrainians, but the inevitable end is coming. It will end, Europe will go back to normal, Ukrainians will stop dying, and a United States committed to not starting and funding conflict all around the World is a good thing for humanity. World Peace isn't such a bad thing, you'll get used to it eventually.
Lol. World Peace. Surely what will happen after Trump forces Ukraine to surrender to a foreign invasion.
Surrender to aggression is no path to lasting peace. Ukrainians will keep dying under Russian occupation. Europe will go back to normal for a year or two, until Russia picks their next victim. Maybe Moldovia, maybe Georgia. Maybe someone else entirely.
I still wonder if you are actually serious or just a russian troll. You cannot be this daft. Or, of course, you got incredibly salty when Nato stopped your nation from genociding its neighbours, so now you are against Nato and for anyone else who genocided their neighbours in any situation you can find.
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Why is this cunt's incessant concern trolling tolerated?
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US is still a democracy, and some republican senators are staunch supporters of Ukraine (and opponents of Russia). I certainly hope that they will be able to exert some pressure in that regard. Also, Trump and Vance both say a lot of things and often do the opposite. We will see.
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United States41661 Posts
On November 07 2024 03:22 Silvanel wrote:
US is still a democracy, and some republican senators are staunch supporters of Ukraine (and opponents of Russia). I certainly hope that they will be able to exert some pressure in that regard. Also, Trump and Vance both say a lot of things and often do the opposite. We will see.
The US isn’t a direct democracy and it has handed absolute power to Trump. SCOTUS has ruled that whatever Trump does is by definition legal and the Republican Party has become so gutless that they make campaign calls on behalf of a man they openly called America’s Hitler. After Jan 5 they openly came out in unified opposition to him, now they nod and smile as he insults them. They’re as beta as can be.
There is no hope for anything positive to come out of Trump’s administration. His chief attributes are his petty vindictiveness and his ability to hold grudges.
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On November 07 2024 03:31 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 03:22 Silvanel wrote:
US is still a democracy, and some republican senators are staunch supporters of Ukraine (and opponents of Russia). I certainly hope that they will be able to exert some pressure in that regard. Also, Trump and Vance both say a lot of things and often do the opposite. We will see. The US isn’t a direct democracy and it has handed absolute power to Trump. SCOTUS has ruled that whatever Trump does is by definition legal and the Republican Party has become so gutless that they make campaign calls on behalf of a man they openly called America’s Hitler. After Jan 5 they openly came out in unified opposition to him, now they nod and smile as he insults them. They’re as beta as can be. There is no hope for anything positive to come out of Trump’s administration. His chief attributes are his petty vindictiveness and his ability to hold grudges.
Small technical note, Trump hasn't been handed power yet. There's still time not to do that.
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On November 07 2024 02:46 Simberto wrote:
Are you seriously happy that the US voted for an egocentric moron and this sabotages the Ukrainian war for their freedom?
Are you seriously asking him about this?
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@Kwark
Well, I agree, but then what should I do? Despair? I rather be optimistic and hope for the best. Maybe Putin will unwittingly insult him or some republicans grow balls or Clarence Thomas will have his body invaded by an alien who actually, for a difference, have a soul. Many things can happen and future is not set in stone...
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United States41661 Posts
On November 07 2024 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 03:31 KwarK wrote:On November 07 2024 03:22 Silvanel wrote:
US is still a democracy, and some republican senators are staunch supporters of Ukraine (and opponents of Russia). I certainly hope that they will be able to exert some pressure in that regard. Also, Trump and Vance both say a lot of things and often do the opposite. We will see. The US isn’t a direct democracy and it has handed absolute power to Trump. SCOTUS has ruled that whatever Trump does is by definition legal and the Republican Party has become so gutless that they make campaign calls on behalf of a man they openly called America’s Hitler. After Jan 5 they openly came out in unified opposition to him, now they nod and smile as he insults them. They’re as beta as can be. There is no hope for anything positive to come out of Trump’s administration. His chief attributes are his petty vindictiveness and his ability to hold grudges. Small technical note, Trump hasn't been handed power yet. There's still time not to do that.
You and I have always been aligned that democrats are gutless. Where we differ is that you think the superior alternative to voting is identifying as a revolutionary and I think that you don’t get to stop voting against fascism until you do revolutionary shit.
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On November 07 2024 03:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2024 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 07 2024 03:31 KwarK wrote:On November 07 2024 03:22 Silvanel wrote:
US is still a democracy, and some republican senators are staunch supporters of Ukraine (and opponents of Russia). I certainly hope that they will be able to exert some pressure in that regard. Also, Trump and Vance both say a lot of things and often do the opposite. We will see. The US isn’t a direct democracy and it has handed absolute power to Trump. SCOTUS has ruled that whatever Trump does is by definition legal and the Republican Party has become so gutless that they make campaign calls on behalf of a man they openly called America’s Hitler. After Jan 5 they openly came out in unified opposition to him, now they nod and smile as he insults them. They’re as beta as can be. There is no hope for anything positive to come out of Trump’s administration. His chief attributes are his petty vindictiveness and his ability to hold grudges. Small technical note, Trump hasn't been handed power yet. There's still time not to do that. You and I have always been aligned that democrats are gutless. Where we differ is that you think the superior alternative to voting is identifying as a revolutionary and I think that you don’t get to stop voting against fascism until you do revolutionary shit.
My response to that has mostly been that there's lots of revolutionary shit that isn't the haphazardly tossing around explosives you're allowed to advocate and limit your understanding of revolutionary praxis to, which you mostly just ignore.
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