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On March 20 2024 05:18 ZeroByte13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:10 Gorsameth wrote:
I assume more as in direct retaliatory military action against Russia. Hm, so they'll send troops to a war zone perfectly knowing they will probably get hurt, and if it happens - they'll "retaliate"? Pretending you retaliate when you did set up the situation yourself knowing exactly what it will lead to? I don't think France would do that. The alternative is to send troops and do nothing when they get attacked? seems like that isn't a smart choice either.
I'm not saying France didn't think about this, or that they won't be ok with shooting back. But the point is that moving from a proxy war, which this effectively is right now, to a direct conflict between a western nation and Russia is a big escalation.
Because by putting troops openly in the line of fire your basically asking for them to get hit. Its a step you take knowing it will almost certainly lead to further escalation, or the maybe (mistaken) hope that Putin will actually pull back a little to avoid said escalation. But then Russia basically admits defeat in Ukraine.
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On March 20 2024 05:28 Gorsameth wrote:
The alternative is to send troops and do nothing when they get attacked? seems like that isn't a smart choice either. Oh, I must have misunderstood you. I thought "troops" means soldiers, not civilians / technical personnel.
If it's soldiers then it's only expected they'll be under fire and fighting back.
In this case I wouldn't call it "retaliation" but more like - soldiers do expected soldier things. You sent military personnel for military purposes, they will be targetted and they know it.
If it's a group of medics or technicians, away from frontlines, and they get hit, which of course can happen - then it's a different story.
I just thought we're talking about the first case.
But in any case I doubt anything like this will happen.
I'd guess nobody wants to really escalate things - and sending troops, having some of them injured or killed and saying "well, we cannot do much as we don't want escalation" won't look good.
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On March 20 2024 04:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Again. This means nothing, but Macron has been doubling down saying he would send troops into Ukraine.
He may be deliberately moving the Overton window on this issue.
I think Macron is right about this. Russia sees itself at war with not just Ukraine but also the West. They are waging a hybrid war against us because they know they can't win a conventional one. Election interference, cyber attacks, attacks on infrastructure, assassinations, illegal migrants on the borders, misinformation campaigns. Multiple European intelligence agencies are predicting Russia will try break up NATO by attacking one of the Baltic states or some isolated area in Finland or Norway, hoping that we won't have the balls to respond militarily. It's time we started acting proactively instead of constantly reacting to Russia's escalations.
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On March 20 2024 05:44 maybenexttime wrote:
Russia will try break up NATO by attacking one of the Baltic states or some isolated area in Finland or Norway With what forces though? They don't seem to have enough for significant push in Ukraine. Baltic states are small but they're kinda prepared now and big army movements near the border will be noticed immediately because everyone is watching them now.
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"Yes Comrade President, I am sure NATO will fracture if we poke at their borders" seems like the sort of famous last words that are said before a swarm of cruise missiles strike Russian military installations around NATO's border.
Everyone in NATO is very much aware that the alliance relies on complete and utter commitment to article 5. And that the nation security concerns for everyone, except the US, are catastrophic if they waiver from that.
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On March 20 2024 06:31 ZeroByte13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:44 maybenexttime wrote:
Russia will try break up NATO by attacking one of the Baltic states or some isolated area in Finland or Norway With what forces though? They don't seem to have enough for significant push in Ukraine. Baltic states are small but they're kinda prepared now and big army movements near the border will be noticed immediately because everyone is watching them now.
We're talking a few years from now. Also not a full-blown conventional war.
On March 20 2024 06:39 Gorsameth wrote:
"Yes Comrade President, I am sure NATO will fracture if we poke at their borders" seems like the sort of famous last words that are said before a swarm of cruise missiles strike Russian military installations around NATO's border.
Everyone in NATO is very much aware that the alliance relies on complete and utter commitment to article 5. And that the nation security concerns for everyone, except the US, are catastrophic if they waiver from that.
They could try to take a town like Narwa in a similar way to Crimea. It's situated right at the border, with 90% of the population being ethnic Russians, the majority of whom have pro-Kremlin sympathies.
You're right that it would've likely been a massive miscalculation. It really depends on how his venture in Ukraine turns out. If the West abandons Ukraine, that will likely embolden Putin.
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On March 20 2024 07:21 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:31 ZeroByte13 wrote:On March 20 2024 05:44 maybenexttime wrote:
Russia will try break up NATO by attacking one of the Baltic states or some isolated area in Finland or Norway With what forces though? They don't seem to have enough for significant push in Ukraine. Baltic states are small but they're kinda prepared now and big army movements near the border will be noticed immediately because everyone is watching them now. We're talking a few years from now. Also not a full-blown conventional war. Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:39 Gorsameth wrote:
"Yes Comrade President, I am sure NATO will fracture if we poke at their borders" seems like the sort of famous last words that are said before a swarm of cruise missiles strike Russian military installations around NATO's border.
Everyone in NATO is very much aware that the alliance relies on complete and utter commitment to article 5. And that the nation security concerns for everyone, except the US, are catastrophic if they waiver from that. They could try to take a town like Narwa in a similar way to Crimea. It's situated right at the border, with 90% of the population being ethnic Russians, the majority of whom have pro-Kremlin sympathies. You're right that it would've likely been a massive miscalculation. It really depends on how his venture in Ukraine turns out. If the West abandons Ukraine, that will likely embolden Putin. It worked in Crimea because Ukraine wasn't able to fight them, and if they tried Russia would have claimed they needed to help and roll in the official army.
That doesn't work against NATO. even countries that can't handle it themselves can call in support from others all while NATO plainly tells Russia to stay the F away with the threat of the US behind it.
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On March 20 2024 04:37 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 03:47 zeo wrote:On March 19 2024 23:44 Excludos wrote:On March 19 2024 22:32 zeo wrote:The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘ all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume... Think about that line again. What you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia?
I think your reply bot is broken or you've completely capitulated. If its the later I hope its a wake up call to take the content you consume more seriously and not just absorb everything you're told at face value.
As for your election question, if there was any chance the win wouldnt be a landslide I'm sure Putin would have pulled a Zelensky long ago. Was interesting to pass by the building in Belgrade where the Russians were voting though, felt like I entered a Youtube politi-bait video
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On March 20 2024 16:08 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 04:37 Excludos wrote:On March 20 2024 03:47 zeo wrote:On March 19 2024 23:44 Excludos wrote:On March 19 2024 22:32 zeo wrote:The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘ all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume... Think about that line again. What you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia? I think your reply bot is broken or you've completely capitulated. If its the later I hope its a wake up call to take the content you consume more seriously and not just absorb everything you're told at face value. As for your election question, if there was any chance the win wouldnt be a landslide I'm sure Putin would have pulled a Zelensky long ago. Was interesting to pass by the building in Belgrade where the Russians were voting though, felt like I entered a Youtube politi-bait video
Pulled a Zelensky? His term isn’t over. If Russia hadn’t invaded there still wouldn’t have been a presidential election yet.
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On March 20 2024 16:08 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 04:37 Excludos wrote:On March 20 2024 03:47 zeo wrote:On March 19 2024 23:44 Excludos wrote:On March 19 2024 22:32 zeo wrote:The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘ all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume... Think about that line again. What you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia? I think your reply bot is broken or you've completely capitulated. If its the later I hope its a wake up call to take the content you consume more seriously and not just absorb everything you're told at face value. As for your election question, if there was any chance the win wouldnt be a landslide I'm sure Putin would have pulled a Zelensky long ago. Was interesting to pass by the building in Belgrade where the Russians were voting though, felt like I entered a Youtube politi-bait video
Your brain just works differently, no need to attack. I am sorry, I just can't read anymore your posts, I usually read the first sentence, then I am forced to check the username, because the first sentence is already suspicious. "oh him again"
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On March 20 2024 17:39 0x64 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 16:08 zeo wrote:On March 20 2024 04:37 Excludos wrote:On March 20 2024 03:47 zeo wrote:On March 19 2024 23:44 Excludos wrote:On March 19 2024 22:32 zeo wrote:The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘ all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume... Think about that line again. What you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia? I think your reply bot is broken or you've completely capitulated. If its the later I hope its a wake up call to take the content you consume more seriously and not just absorb everything you're told at face value. As for your election question, if there was any chance the win wouldnt be a landslide I'm sure Putin would have pulled a Zelensky long ago. Was interesting to pass by the building in Belgrade where the Russians were voting though, felt like I entered a Youtube politi-bait video Your brain just works differently, no need to attack. I am sorry, I just can't read anymore your posts, I usually read the first sentence, then I am forced to check the username, because the first sentence is already suspicious. "oh him again"
It's the healthiest approach. Any time I try to entertain his ridiculous stances, like now, I end up losing braincells. There's zero self awareness to the fact that he refused to answer my question, and calls me a bot for repeating it. The answer itself is even more ridiculous, with no roots in reality. Putin is apparantly doing something Zelensky is known for, except he's never done it.. This isn't a person you're ever going to be able to show reason.
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I like that Macron is showing some balls and stepping up, with the US pretty useless right now and Germany beeing useless most of the time.
As for zeo: I do like to read his fictional works from time to time. It has undeniably some entertainment value
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Germany donated a ton more weapons and money than France afaik. France really are not giving nearly as much weapons as basicly all the other europeans, but Macron is talking big lately at least so maybe that will change
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I'm not a big fan of the way Germany handled the Ukraine crisis and their rhetoric around it, but praising France while calling Germany useless when Germany has sent roughly 11 times as much as France has in total aid or about 9 times as much relative to their GDP is something else.
If Germany was 'useless' then I don't know what your bar for useful would be.
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I worded that poorly, I apologize.
On March 20 2024 20:15 Mikau wrote:
I'm not a big fan of the way Germany handled the Ukraine crisis and their rhetoric around it,
This!
I meant it in an assuming leadership kinda way like Mama Merkel did. Clear direction that would inspire others to follow. Obviously and in retrospect it wasn't always the right direction.
The sent aid is good and something to be proud of
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Deep down France is very bitter about losing influence and power in Africa to Russia.
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On March 20 2024 22:43 geod wrote:Deep down France is very bitter about losing influence and power in Africa to Russia.
Ah yes, because until recently the French have never seen themselves as having any kind of role in leading Europe. This is a new development.
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On March 21 2024 02:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 22:43 geod wrote:Deep down France is very bitter about losing influence and power in Africa to Russia. Ah yes, because until recently the French have never seen themselves as having any kind of role in leading Europe. This is a new development.
Both can be true at once
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On March 21 2024 02:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 02:17 KwarK wrote:On March 20 2024 22:43 geod wrote:Deep down France is very bitter about losing influence and power in Africa to Russia. Ah yes, because until recently the French have never seen themselves as having any kind of role in leading Europe. This is a new development. Both can be true at once
But his implication was that France’s actions were caused by bitterness and not something they’d do anyway.
Imagine I stole a car and then while on trial called the judge a cunt. After sentencing my declaration of “he’s mad at me for calling him a cunt” would be implying that the sentence was in some way extraordinary or unfair because of that.
In this instance we’re seeing the judge hand out exactly the kind of sentence they give everyone who steals a car. The insult isn’t relevant. He’s clearing bringing it up to imply that it was as if the response was extraordinary but there is absolutely nothing extraordinary in France attempting to take a leadership role on the continent. It’s what they do.
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There was a big long range attack on Kiev this morning. 11 Tu-95MS bombers launched a total of 29 Ch-101 maneuvering missiles and 2 ballistic missiles (Iskander) which traveled 1800km to strike at Kiev from different directions. All missiles were shot down, there were several lightly wounded people, no casualties, minor damage to infrastructure from falling debris.
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