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ZeroByte13
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But 88% is a new high (low) point... Didn't expect this level of... whatever it was. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 18 2024 17:53 ZeroByte13 wrote: I didn't even follow the elections as their result was the most predictable thing ever. But 88% is a new high (low) point... Didn't expect this level of... whatever it was. I quite like Charles Michel sarcastically congratulating Putin with his victory before the votes had barely started being counted. Giving himself 88% is a weird way to try to rub it in, making sure there is not a seed of doubt that the election was fake. Why Putin bothers to continue the farse of pretending there's an actual election is beyond me. Even Hitler just said "nah, we're just not going to do it any more", and it's not like his supporters stopped cheering him on for it. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6932 Posts
On March 18 2024 18:30 Excludos wrote: I quite like Charles Michel sarcastically congratulating Putin with his victory before the votes had barely started being counted. Giving himself 88% is a weird way to try to rub it in, making sure there is not a seed of doubt that the election was fake. Why Putin bothers to continue the farse of pretending there's an actual election is beyond me. Even Hitler just said "nah, we're just not going to do it any more", and it's not like his supporters stopped cheering him on for it. I will organize a Starcraft 2 world championship tournament and I will be the only players who is allowed to play so you guys can congratulate me for beeing a Starcraft 2 world champion :D | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 18 2024 18:38 Harris1st wrote: I will organize a Starcraft 2 world championship tournament and I will be the only players who is allowed to play so you guys can congratulate me for beeing a Starcraft 2 world champion :D How the US has won 104 world championships in the NFL.. | ||
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
On March 18 2024 19:40 Excludos wrote: How the US has won 104 world championships in the NFL.. Yea we're THE BEST, you got a problem with that? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
On March 19 2024 03:33 riotjune wrote: Yea we're THE BEST, you got a problem with that? Eh, you're not even the best at handegg. You had to make up your own rules so you didn't have to worry about the South Africans, Kiwis, Aussies, Brits, French, etc. maybe beating you | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume they're starting to struggle with refilling their dwindling manpower from their own country, at least without expanding the draft to an unpopular level that could cause protests | ||
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zeo
Serbia6286 Posts
On March 19 2024 19:06 Excludos wrote: https://theowp.org/cuba-uncovers-russian-military-recruiters-trafficking-citizens-to-ukraine/ With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume they're starting to struggle with refilling their dwindling manpower from their own country, at least without expanding the draft to an unpopular level that could cause protests The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk | ||
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0x64
Finland4558 Posts
On March 19 2024 19:06 Excludos wrote: https://theowp.org/cuba-uncovers-russian-military-recruiters-trafficking-citizens-to-ukraine/ With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume they're starting to struggle with refilling their dwindling manpower from their own country, at least without expanding the draft to an unpopular level that could cause protests Thanks for sharing, I had missed the original news. I only saw the news about India. Would not be surprised if similar organisation exists in Syria and other country that are not explicitly blocking Russia. Serbia is also a good breeding ground for recruiting, probably a bit more complicated to lure people from there though as the quality of life is better than for the average Indian or Cuban. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 19 2024 22:32 zeo wrote: The Organization for World Peace, thats an interesting source. Their website looks like it should trigger your antivirus but looking into their background it seems to be a throw-away non profit from Canada. I'm far from an expert in Canadian not-for-profit organizations but it looks like they don't have to post their tax sheets for the year anywhere. They don't seem to actually do anything other than post AI generated looking news articles from fake looking names that are not connected to them on Linkedin. These 'contributers' post once every month or two in rotation but they seem to be written by the same person/AI bot. The article you are talking about was posted March 16th. The whole story its talking about happened at the beggining of September last year, basically a rehash and repost of a story six months old with absolutely nothing added, what is the point? Every article about this is from six months ago. Where do you even come across such blatent filler/news stuffing? The narritive 'forigners gang pressed into the Russian army' seems to be contained to X bots and amplified by real people / shills but when all it takes is one click on a link to discredit yourself these things dont really go beyond the hardcore Rusophobes/dog people Anyway I'm pretty sure the source was bait, but screw it, I'll take the low hanging fruit. It gave me a good chuckle while at work. If any Canadians can give insight into how not-for-profit organizations work that would be great because I really have tried to find out what they have actually done. Maybe its good to have on your CV, some of the people there might be real? Idk You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 19 2024 23:20 0x64 wrote: Thanks for sharing, I had missed the original news. I only saw the news about India. Would not be surprised if similar organisation exists in Syria and other country that are not explicitly blocking Russia. Serbia is also a good breeding ground for recruiting, probably a bit more complicated to lure people from there though as the quality of life is better than for the average Indian or Cuban. There's a number of reports that Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia as well. Either because they let them, or because they don't have functional governments in the first place. And it's the same story across the board; people are being lured there thinking they'll get jobs in the rear lines, and eventually gain citizenship. Instead they're pushed to the front to die. While my empathy is minimal for anyone who is willing to serve in the Russian military in any capacity right now, it's still an incredibly shitty way to exploit people. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17268 Posts
On March 19 2024 23:51 Excludos wrote: There's a number of reports that Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia as well. Either because they let them, or because they don't have functional governments in the first place. And it's the same story across the board; people are being lured there thinking they'll get jobs in the rear lines, and eventually gain citizenship. Instead they're pushed to the front to die. While my empathy is minimal for anyone who is willing to serve in the Russian military in any capacity right now, it's still an incredibly shitty way to exploit people. Russia was never big on human rights and caring about even their own citizens so why would they give a damn about exploiting foreigners? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6286 Posts
On March 19 2024 23:44 Excludos wrote: You could easily have tried to argue in good faith by spending 5 seconds on Google to confirm the story with a different source. But you didn't, because you never wanted to. So neither am I. Instead I'm going to ask you what you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia. You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: With the amount of stories lately surrounding Russia agressively recruiting foreigners to the war in Ukraine, it seems reasonable to assume... Think about that line again. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 20 2024 03:47 zeo wrote: You don’t read that much do you? You don’t really read your own sources, you don’t read what others write in response. Its just whatever you are told is written or you think was written isn't it? It’s wild, you post a bot farm covering a six month old story out of the blue and your response to being called out over the AI content is ‘well the story is real at another source’. Yes, its real, but it happened six months ago and its being posted now by a sockpuppet ‘news agency’ and you are talking about ‘all these stories lately seem to point to such and such’. This posted by someone thats previously expressed disdain for actual reporters actually reporting because their hundred year old news organizations had 3 out of 5 stars on a bias or whatever checker website. Posting literal AI garbage. Gurkhas have been talked about in this conflict since the very beginning. Nepal has a very, very long tradition of sending its people to fight in foreign armies and the Gurkhas have been deeply rooted in British colonial rule. For over 200 years their men have enlisted in the British and Indian armies for money and its a part of their culture, they have been held in very high regard by the British as very good soldiers to have on your side. Gurkha units joining both the Russian and Ukrainian side seem to interest the British media more because they don’t like Nepalese men not signing up to die for The Empire anymore. I highly suggest anyone that is interested to look into Gurkha culture in Nepal, in my opinion its very fascinating and unique. Some news outlets deliberately leaving out vast chunks of backstory for clicks or so that the article can more easily fit into a narrative... its not news to anyone here or the people that wrote the Guardian article from a few pages ago. In your next post you talk about ‘a number of reports’ stating that ‘Russia has been recruiting heavily from Ethiopia, Nepal and Somalia’. Searching for news about Somalis in the Russian army nothing comes up besides two Ukrainian outlets with stories about one guy getting captured, and the BBC running a story about Russia luring migrants (some of which are Somali) into the army from the Finish border. It could explain a Somali face or two showing up but far from heavy. Same for Ethiopia, most recent stories are from 2022 about ex-military wanting to go to Russia or more recent pieces about Russia offering help the Ethiopian military (in Ethiopia). Again, there are probably Ethiopians still fighting in Russia but this is a narrative from 2022. Coming back to the second paragraph, these things all probably happened at some point maybe to a lesser extent, maybe more than was reported. When bot accounts and shills start posting and reposting in sync trying to frame the info as recent we come to your line from the post with the AI generated news article: Think about that line again. What you feel about the totally fair and democratic election results in Russia? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8087 Posts
On March 20 2024 04:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Again. This means nothing, but Macron has been doubling down saying he would send troops into Ukraine. https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1770171670021784057 I genuinely didn't (And honestly, still can't quite believe) they would do this. This is easily an escalation-slippery slope. If something happens to those soldiers, the shit-fan is going to go full turbo. It's not like those guys are going to be sent to the front lines, but this is war, and missiles can hit a lot further in than just the front trenches. | ||
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ZeroByte13
767 Posts
On March 20 2024 04:44 Excludos wrote: Shit-fan as in "why did we send them there?"?If something happens to those soldiers, the shit-fan is going to go full turbo. Because it would be kinda weird to send troops into (or close to) a war zone and expect that nothing will happen to them. Macron even states himself they "will become a Major Target for the Russian Armed Forces when and if they arrive". | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21701 Posts
On March 20 2024 05:06 ZeroByte13 wrote: I assume more as in direct retaliatory military action against Russia. Shit-fan as in "why did we send them there?"? Because it would be kinda weird to send troops into (or close to) a war zone and expect that nothing will happen to them. Macron even states himself they "will become a Major Target for the Russian Armed Forces when and if they arrive". And moving from Ukraine as a proxy attacking Russian soldiers invading their country to France directly attacking Russian soldiers on Ukrainian soil, or striking military targets inside Russia, since that is where a missile would probably come from, would be a big escalation. | ||
KwarK
United States42774 Posts
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ZeroByte13
767 Posts
On March 20 2024 05:10 Gorsameth wrote: Hm, so they'll send troops to a war zone perfectly knowing they will probably get hurt, and if it happens - they'll "retaliate"?I assume more as in direct retaliatory military action against Russia. Pretending you retaliate when you did set up the situation yourself knowing exactly what it will lead to? I don't think France would do that. | ||
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