EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 595
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
On September 26 2023 23:01 KwarK wrote: What war? Is 3 day special military operation. Exactly. Do you want to fall out of a window, 0x64? And of course Shoigu as the top military official knows exactly that the special military operation is going exactly as planned. His subordinates need this explained to them due to their inferior knowledge of the situation. | ||
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On September 26 2023 23:17 KwarK wrote: Reminds me of this classic exchange with the spy chief before the invasion. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI Maybe it's my western ignorance, to me he sounds like panicking. Maybe Zeo can confirm. | ||
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
On September 26 2023 23:55 Godwrath wrote: Maybe it's my western ignorance, to me he sounds like panicking. Maybe Zeo can confirm. nah he is too busy removing splinters from his junk and blaming the strawman | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
I saw a youtube video where they interview russians, they asked a woman if the war has affected her and she said : "no it doesn't affect me because i'm from moscov". Basicly sums up who is actually fighting for russia in this war. Also I felt bad about russians fighting but then i realised that 20k russians sign up every month to fight at the frontlines and then it's hard to feel sorry for people who choose to do it | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On September 26 2023 23:01 KwarK wrote: What war? Is 3 day special military operation. You mean the one week anti terrorist operation still going on from 2014? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On September 27 2023 01:01 sertas wrote: Also I felt bad about russians fighting but then i realised that 20k russians sign up every month to fight at the frontlines and then it's hard to feel sorry for people who choose to do it Are these all voluntarily signing up? Or are they part of the mandatory draft that you now basically have to leave the country to avoid? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On September 27 2023 05:16 zeo wrote: You mean the one week anti terrorist operation still going on from 2014? Russia wasn't part of that, remember? It was little green men that suddenly showed up one day and totally belonged there | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
"Russia's air defense is struggling to keep up with very old western missiles. The Ukraine conflict shows Russia has failed to keep up over the last 20 years" Do we have some sort of way of knowing what kinda air defense Russia is using? Do we know its their latest and greatest? Are they just burning through their old stuff to free up storage space like the US is? I know there is tons of misinformation coming out of both sides of this war, but its not like there is no longer an objective reality. People seem to know every little detail about the technological advances of western stuff. What do we know about Russia? When I read about missiles hitting targets in Crimea, my ignorant assumption is that Russia is highly incentivized to defense Crimea, which must mean they use "good" defense systems there. Am I over estimating the importance of Crimea to Russia? Is it implied they can afford to take some losses to burn through old inventory? | ||
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On September 27 2023 07:52 Excludos wrote: Russia wasn't part of that, remember? It was little green men that suddenly showed up one day and totally belonged there But the Maidan government was. Good thing the people living in eastern Ukraine fought back while Russia left them to fend for themselves. They wernt as lucky as the Crimeans | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
On September 27 2023 01:01 sertas wrote: I just thought it's bad if ukraine wins too fast, (it's good) because I want to see f16 blasting russian logistics and mass dropping jdams etc, also I want russian economy to collapse. How could anyone think like that? This war is not to kill Russians, but to stand against their aggression. Whatever Russia will remain strong economicaly or go bankrupt, I don't care. I want them out of Ukraine as fast as possible. They apparently like to be gruz200 so I don't pitty them at slightest, but longer the war drags, more innocents suffer. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
On September 27 2023 16:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: Yeah. The fact is that Ukraine is suffering more than Russia is, a natural consequence of the war happening on their soil. Vietnam was a disaster for the US - but worse for Vietnam. Soviet vs Afghanistan was a disaster for the Soviet Union - worse for Afghanistan. Etc. The best outcome is that Russia retreats quickly, not that the conflict turns into an economy-destroying quagmire that results in them withdrawing 6 years from now. We do not want Ukraine to turn into Afghanistan. russian economy and millitary will collapse long before 6 years. russians will barely even be able to fight in 1 year from now. ukraine bnp was up 15% , likely because it's already low and all the aid is massive. | ||
hexhaven
Finland963 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
On September 27 2023 09:55 Mohdoo wrote: Russias goal is to conquer all of Ukraine. They have failed and are still failing in that. They are failing to hold on to what they have and slowly losing ground while burning through material and men at a high rate.A fairly common perspective in the internet communities I encounter is: "Russia's air defense is struggling to keep up with very old western missiles. The Ukraine conflict shows Russia has failed to keep up over the last 20 years" Do we have some sort of way of knowing what kinda air defense Russia is using? Do we know its their latest and greatest? Are they just burning through their old stuff to free up storage space like the US is? I know there is tons of misinformation coming out of both sides of this war, but its not like there is no longer an objective reality. People seem to know every little detail about the technological advances of western stuff. What do we know about Russia? When I read about missiles hitting targets in Crimea, my ignorant assumption is that Russia is highly incentivized to defense Crimea, which must mean they use "good" defense systems there. Am I over estimating the importance of Crimea to Russia? Is it implied they can afford to take some losses to burn through old inventory? They are begging North Korea for equipment and trying to recruit more cannon fodder all around the world. They are losing expensive ships that can probably not replace while they are in port. And all the while their entire active army is busy to the point where Russia cannot commit to defending its supposedly allies and as a result their sphere of influence is crumbling. The notion that Russia is holding back anything and 'just emptying old storage' doesn't make any sense. What are they saving the good stuff for? What your seeing is the consequence of corruption. Money isn't being spend on building and maintaining the latest and best tech. Its disappearing is someone's pocket and used to pay for their kids Western education, yachts and villas. | ||
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