EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 443
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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pmp10
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I'd expect they still have good number of plays to humiliate Putin. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7406 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
On May 30 2023 19:51 Harris1st wrote: Here we go again: https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1663453469015932930 "Officially" and "demanding" are quite big words considering the context below. Oleksii Reznikov, Ukraine’s Defence Minister, has said he sees the possibility of receiving Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets from Germany. Source: DW, referring to an interview by Reznikov with the German media group Funke and the French newspaper Ouest France Quote from Reznikov: "If the UK and Germany were to combine their capabilities to supply Eurofighters, this would be an important step." Details: The minister recalled that there is already an international tank coalition in which the basic models are the German Leopard 2, the American Abrams and British Challenger. Reznikov believes that a fighter jet coalition could also be formed based on the American F-16 as well as the Eurofighter and Swedish Gripen. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/30/7404457/ | ||
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0x64
Finland4641 Posts
On May 30 2023 19:52 Magic Powers wrote: Another thing to consider is that the previous counter-offensives had one major downside: they resulted in improved Russian defenses, albeit further back. Russian command did in fact learn and adapt, and they were able to stabilize many of their defense lines after the storm was over. The next offensive has to be very successful so Ukraine can yet again capture or destroy a lot of material and then create threats in many directions. The thing is that no matter how good your defense is, there is always a weak spot and once it is breached you can't hold the rest of the line because the breach cuts the supply to the line. I would expect to have the first real line of defense holding around Crimea. Of course the Dniepro river is one challenge around Kherson. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On May 30 2023 22:54 0x64 wrote: The thing is that no matter how good your defense is, there is always a weak spot and once it is breached you can't hold the rest of the line because the breach cuts the supply to the line. I would expect to have the first real line of defense holding around Crimea. Of course the Dniepro river is one challenge around Kherson. It's also very difficult to hold defences facing west, when the enemy is attacking from the north, south or east, because they've already breached through somewhere else. The 3 layer defence lines only works when they're all holding. With the amount of satellite imagery and daily drone recons, finding a weak spot is unlikely to be difficult | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
"We give them training, equipment, advice and counsel - heck, we even do tabletop exercises with them to help them plan out what they’re going to do," he stressed. "But ultimately, President Zelenskyy and his military commanders decide what they’re going to do from a military perspective, and they decide what they’re going to do with the equipment that has been provided to them and that they now own," the White House representative said. Kirby added, however, that the United States "has been very clear to the Ukrainians both privately and publicly" that it does not support attacks inside Russia and does not want them to be carried out using American weapons. Separately, he said that Washington has received assurances that F-16 fighters will not be used for attacks on the Russian Federation in the future: "And we have gotten these assurances at various levels: not just from President Zelenskyy, but also from other senior military and defence leaders in Ukraine." Source | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
My current take on the counter offensive reading the comments of Zelensky is that everything seems to be going more or less according the plan as they're making russia feel it from the missiles and minor operations on russian territory in order to confuse and make them feel the war coming close to home. Random missile attacks, drone and UAV operations shall wreck havoc on the supply line and defense line. The big question next is where the first tanks and infantry support will strike first to take back territory as effective as possible. | ||
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Yurie
12166 Posts
From a war perspective it is great. Stretches Russian forces out over a larger area, forcing movement. Causing wear and tear on equipment while also highlighting it for potential strikes. As long as they do it to areas with population Russia also has a hard time doing large bombings on them. Requiring more of the precision strikes (if they want to reply quickly) that would go into Ukrainian cities normally. Psychologically it is more difficult to judge for me. The war is now hitting people inside Russia when you combine this with the drone strikes. Generally speaking defending the homeland is a great motivator, meaning that Putin will likely have greater support to continue the war. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
I do wonder if Ukraine is planning some kind of big push into Russia itself as a way of avoiding all the defensive lines setup in the south and east of Ukraine. Perhaps to circle round and get behind all the enemy lines or just to bring the war to Russia itself to try to humiliate Putin and force him out of Ukraine without fighting in Ukraine. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
This is the outcome. Tiny incremental advances over many months of fighting. It proves how weak the Russian military is in Ukraine, because without a doubt they're aiming much higher than this. But is it advantageous for Ukraine to have Russia push forward? I don't think so, because there's no way Ukrainian troops are happy about losing territory literally anywhere. I think it creates a dilemma where Ukrainian command has to choose between attacking and defending various areas at all times. This likely also makes a large counter-offensive harder. But at the same time I don't think it's a huge problem. The Russian troops can make things harder, but they can't avoid fate. Eventually the AFU are bound to make a big breakthrough somewhere and we're waiting for that news. "Eventually" can take a very long time. Lets not forget that this war scales similar to WW1 and WW2. It can take years before a big and decisive strike happens. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 03 2023 15:23 Yurie wrote: So what does people think about the small unit advances into Russia? I think Russia should stop escalating by defending the region, and support the freedom of the Bolgorod Peoples Republic, in the name of peace. Seriously though, this is some high level trolling. The call for a referendum is such an icing on the cake. I'm not sure whether this is really going to matter in the big picture, but any seed of chaos within Russia is good | ||
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pmp10
3399 Posts
On June 03 2023 15:23 Yurie wrote: Psychologically it is more difficult to judge for me. The war is now hitting people inside Russia when you combine this with the drone strikes. Generally speaking defending the homeland is a great motivator, meaning that Putin will likely have greater support to continue the war. Pretty sure Ukraine is counting on the opposite - that humiliation at home will weaken Putin. I mean - what's the point of a strongman that cannot even defend his country? But they have been wrong before about that strength of war consensus in Russia. | ||
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0x64
Finland4641 Posts
No one wants to be the one opening the window for Putin, but Ukraine is giving hints to Russians that a change is possible. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 04 2023 02:55 Copymizer wrote: Very strong speech from Olaf Scholz yesterday, finally stepping up properly and defending what is our duty, democracy, rule of law, peace and anti-imperialist dreams. The Germans booing him should but utterly ashamed of themselves and send to ukraine in person to experience first hand the horror Putin has brought upon the people there. https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/status/1665002633541611522 I'm impressed. It's apparently not his first speech of that nature, but it's the first one that sounds unrestrained. Important speech, even if only symbolic. This is good. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5866 Posts
An article showing the opinions of anti-Putin, liberal Russians who support the war (although many of them claim otherwise). I found it rather disgusting, I have to admit, even though I knew what to expect. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
The lower you go, the dumber the answers get. It's disgusting some people honestly believe Western support "FORCES" Ukraine to continue the war. What about your guys occupying their cities and murdering their people? Is that not a good reason? | ||
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