• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:38
CET 14:38
KST 22:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage0Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?1Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion List of top players active on ShieldBattery BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12712 users

Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 265

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 263 264 265 266 267 967 Next
NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 18:19:37
October 04 2022 18:00 GMT
#5281
@Sadist Yes, You are.
TNT is energy equivalent and while 1kT is certainly a lot more than 44T this energy is expended in different way. In nuclear bomb a lot of energy is converted into radiation, while in thermobaric almost everything is converted into blast. The conversion ratio is also much better. See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon#Fuel–air_explosive

1kT nuclear weapon has a blast radius of around 200 m.
44T Russian thermobaric bomb has claimed blast radius of 300 m.

The thermobaric weapon most likely won’t kill anyone outside out its blast radius, while the 1KT nuclear device will cause severe burns even 1 km away from the epicenter and severe radiation syndrome up to 1,2 km away.

So while nuclear bomb is certainly more deadly it is not 23 times more destructive (as simple energy comparison would suggest: 1000/44 = ~23).
Pathetic Greta hater.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1101 Posts
October 04 2022 18:27 GMT
#5282
On October 05 2022 02:38 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2022 23:53 r00ty wrote:
On October 04 2022 23:00 Velr wrote:
Does Russia actually not have the big ass conventional Bombs that Trump used to destroy a Mountain in Afghanistan?


I don't see that much of a diffrence to a "small" tactical nuke tbh but that would be an "inbetween"?

Russia has "conventional" bombs that are theoretically higher in yield than the smallest tactical nukes in their arsenal. Not a bunker buster, but this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs Footage of the test made international headlines and it was already used in Syria, according to the Russian armed forces.

Some people think it's a hoax and the device is not air droppable or only by cargo plane.



I have been wondering out this. I see on wiki it says 44 tons of TNT for the FOAB.

Hiroshima was 15kilotons of TNT. Ive heard that the tactical nukes are in the 1,3,5 etc kiloton range. That seems orders of magnitudes more powerful than FOAB. Am I misinterpretting the tons of TNT vs blast radius, effectivity, etc?



My problem is, defining "tactical nuke" as the next form of escalation is kind of hard. What is it? Smaller tactical nukes than 1kT exist (most extreme example: The shoulder fired Davy Crockett was 20t). Then there are nuclear weapons classified as tactical, which have multiple times the yield of a Hiroshima bomb...
I'm not an expert or want to extensively research small nuclear weapons. But, for reference: The Lebanon Fertilizer explosion was compared to a 1kT explosion, it was around 550tons of ammonium nitrate, so let's say 0.5kT. I don't think that's achievable with a bomber droppable aerosol bomb.
+ Show Spoiler +
They are a lot more destructive, because they create a giant cloud of an inflammable/exposive aerosol with stuff like alluminum dust mixed in between. The shockwave and heat generated have multiple times the power of a comparable TNT/equivalent bomb.

I may have fallen for Russian propaganda, it is advertised as an alternative to tactical nukes (a nuke you can drop without dropping a nuke). There'll be a reason the US haven't gone through with that tech.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 18:30:28
October 04 2022 18:30 GMT
#5283
Progress today was about half compared to yesterday, but still very significant. There are also unconfirmed areas (striped blue) which will likely be confirmed another time.

[image loading]
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 19:27:47
October 04 2022 19:12 GMT
#5284
Here is how RuAF treats it's wounded soldiers on the battlefield in the eastern front. Quite barbaric i would say, feels disgusted even though it's an enemy.

+ Show Spoiler +


TLDR: they are not getting evacuated, simply leaving injured behind to die.

And here is the evidence of warcrimes/torturing of civilians in Kharkiv region, note how many dentures collected in the plastic box

+ Show Spoiler +


If someone proposes Ukraine to go down diplomatic way, please, remember those tweets. We are literally dealing with the horde.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 19:29:56
October 04 2022 19:29 GMT
#5285
Another torture chamber has been discovered in recently liberated in Pisky - Kharkiv... beyond NSFW so won't be posting images.

It is believed that some of the dead in and around Lyman could be booby trapped. So volunteers are having to move them with Cables.




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17872 Posts
October 04 2022 19:35 GMT
#5286
[image loading]

Leave it to Elon to make a fool of himself...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44449 Posts
October 04 2022 19:45 GMT
#5287
Elon has had a bad few days and is likely creating drama to draw attention from other bad news.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22704 Posts
October 04 2022 20:23 GMT
#5288
Didn't he just announce he is still buying Twitter, most likely after his lawyers carefully explained to him that he can't get out of the contract he signed without paying more then the takeover would cost.

So yeah he is probably expressing his frustration by inducing drama for drama's sake.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2022 20:52 GMT
#5289
Since Putin announced partial mobilization about 700k have left the country.

In less than two weeks after the partial mobilisation was announced, about 700,000 people left Russia.

According to one source, almost 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the mobilisation. The second source, in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, reports that between 600,000 and 700,000 Russians have left the country. The magazine’s source emphasised that it is not yet clear what percentage of people left the country as tourists.

According to Forbes, the media previously cited the figure of 194,000 Russians who left for Georgia, Kazakhstan and Finland in the week after the announcement of mobilisation. At the beginning of September, even before the announcement of partial mobilisation, the Federal State Statistics Service (Russia) stated that 419,000 people had left the Russian Federation in the first half of 2022 – twice as many as in the same period the previous year. There was a net migration outflow (- 96,000) in the first six months of 2022, as compared to a net inflow of 114,000 during the same period in 2021.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10990 Posts
October 04 2022 21:14 GMT
#5290
On October 05 2022 05:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Didn't he just announce he is still buying Twitter, most likely after his lawyers carefully explained to him that he can't get out of the contract he signed without paying more then the takeover would cost.

So yeah he is probably expressing his frustration by inducing drama for drama's sake.


He also reinvtented the subway by using his cars... so...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17872 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 22:07:30
October 04 2022 22:00 GMT
#5291
On October 05 2022 05:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Since Putin announced partial mobilization about 700k have left the country.

Show nested quote +
In less than two weeks after the partial mobilisation was announced, about 700,000 people left Russia.

According to one source, almost 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the mobilisation. The second source, in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, reports that between 600,000 and 700,000 Russians have left the country. The magazine’s source emphasised that it is not yet clear what percentage of people left the country as tourists.

According to Forbes, the media previously cited the figure of 194,000 Russians who left for Georgia, Kazakhstan and Finland in the week after the announcement of mobilisation. At the beginning of September, even before the announcement of partial mobilisation, the Federal State Statistics Service (Russia) stated that 419,000 people had left the Russian Federation in the first half of 2022 – twice as many as in the same period the previous year. There was a net migration outflow (- 96,000) in the first six months of 2022, as compared to a net inflow of 114,000 during the same period in 2021.


Source


So, 300k drafted, 700k left the country. 1 million less in the workforce while the country is undergoing an economic crisis. Doesn't sound particularly good for Russia.

Edit: Before any voices of "Russia is a big country, it's no big loss" start, let me remind you that the people leaving will mostly be ones with means to do so. I would assume young adults with skills (middle class) mostly. It's pretty heavy blow to lose 1 million skilled workers to any country.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2022 22:01 GMT
#5292
Four more HIMARS + ammo headed to Ukraine, separate from the 22(?) that were also promised but have yet to be built. Along with hundreds of thousands of ammunition. No Winter Uniforms so I guess Slovenia, Canada, Norway are responsible for that.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17872 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 22:27:02
October 04 2022 22:24 GMT
#5293


Russian lines to the northeast of Kherson are collapsing. Ukrainians take another massive swath of land by finally capturing Davydiv Brid (heavily fortified position) which made the Russian center of operations in the region in Novovoskresenske to abandon their position and fall back in fear of being surrounded. They now control some key locations and have more freedom of movement as they won't have to rely on pontoon bridges any more (at least they won't be as vulnerable since now they control both sides of the river).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 04 2022 22:28 GMT
#5294
--- Nuked ---
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-05 02:13:48
October 05 2022 02:13 GMT
#5295
One has to wonder if Russia is quietly building up a reserve but as of now it is hard not to see these losses as catastrophic. Never mind numbers needed to defend but offensive capability.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
October 05 2022 04:26 GMT
#5296
The Tristan Snell tweet.


@{CC}StealthBlue is that just a random post on twitter? or is that legit fact checked news? its extremely hard to tell
"We didnt listen"
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 05 2022 05:05 GMT
#5297
On October 05 2022 13:26 Taelshin wrote:
The Tristan Snell tweet.


@{CC}StealthBlue is that just a random post on twitter? or is that legit fact checked news? its extremely hard to tell


Hard to fact check the current situation, but
Coalition:
292 killed (147 killed by enemy action, 145 non-hostile deaths)
467 wounded in action
776 wounded[8]
31 tanks destroyed/disabled
28 Bradley IFVs destroyed/damaged

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

I don't really know where that number comes from, but it's probably in the right ballpark. USA losses were miniscule in comparison to what Russia is losing.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
October 05 2022 06:47 GMT
#5298
While this is true, or very close to being true, it is also misleading. The Gulf War and Russo-Ukrainian war are tottaly different types of conflict.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
October 05 2022 07:06 GMT
#5299
Just because they're different doesn't mean they can't be compared to get a sense of scale for certain things.

The whole point of making comparisons in the first place is to contextualize things that are different.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18490 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-05 07:14:03
October 05 2022 07:12 GMT
#5300
On October 05 2022 16:06 Mikau313 wrote:
Just because they're different doesn't mean they can't be compared to get a sense of scale for certain things.

The whole point of making comparisons in the first place is to contextualize things that are different.

While the Russians were maybe hoping for a Desert Storm style Blitz through Ukraine, it's been clear since April that was never going to work, and the last few weeks have made it clear that they may not even be able to hold onto the land they tried to claim in the east.

So making a comparison between tank losses in what was essentially an unopposed stroll through Kuwait, and a heavily contested slog in which Russia is being pushed back, doesn't really say much of anything. You can compare apples and oranges, but it's unlikely you'll conclude anything useful.
Prev 1 263 264 265 266 267 967 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
21:00
WardiTV Not-Summer Championshi
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
WardiTV732
TKL 187
Rex97
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 187
Rex 97
trigger 61
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 75002
Rain 2069
Horang2 1278
EffOrt 759
Zeus 597
Jaedong 561
BeSt 545
Stork 364
Mini 244
firebathero 217
[ Show more ]
Snow 143
Soulkey 138
Rush 125
Hyun 89
Pusan 88
ProTech87
Barracks 82
Sharp 56
Mong 54
JYJ 46
ToSsGirL 37
Shinee 34
HiyA 31
Killer 30
sSak 26
scan(afreeca) 23
Aegong 20
Movie 19
Noble 18
Classic 16
ZergMaN 15
Shine 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
sOs 11
Hm[arnc] 10
sorry 10
Rock 9
Sacsri 9
Terrorterran 8
zelot 8
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Dendi1364
qojqva598
monkeys_forever177
420jenkins89
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1321
markeloff882
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes286
Other Games
singsing2074
B2W.Neo764
hiko365
XaKoH 274
syndereN195
Fuzer 185
Mew2King73
QueenE48
ArmadaUGS39
ViBE35
NeuroSwarm31
Railgan24
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL92
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1968
• WagamamaTV441
League of Legends
• Jankos2118
Upcoming Events
OSC
9h 22m
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
PiGosaur Cup
11h 22m
INu's Battles
22h 22m
ByuN vs Classic
3D!Clan Event
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 20h
KCM Race Survival
1d 20h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
Ultimate Battle
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
4 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.