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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 18:19:37
October 04 2022 18:00 GMT
#5281
@Sadist Yes, You are.
TNT is energy equivalent and while 1kT is certainly a lot more than 44T this energy is expended in different way. In nuclear bomb a lot of energy is converted into radiation, while in thermobaric almost everything is converted into blast. The conversion ratio is also much better. See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon#Fuel–air_explosive

1kT nuclear weapon has a blast radius of around 200 m.
44T Russian thermobaric bomb has claimed blast radius of 300 m.

The thermobaric weapon most likely won’t kill anyone outside out its blast radius, while the 1KT nuclear device will cause severe burns even 1 km away from the epicenter and severe radiation syndrome up to 1,2 km away.

So while nuclear bomb is certainly more deadly it is not 23 times more destructive (as simple energy comparison would suggest: 1000/44 = ~23).
Pathetic Greta hater.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1066 Posts
October 04 2022 18:27 GMT
#5282
On October 05 2022 02:38 Sadist wrote:
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On October 04 2022 23:53 r00ty wrote:
On October 04 2022 23:00 Velr wrote:
Does Russia actually not have the big ass conventional Bombs that Trump used to destroy a Mountain in Afghanistan?


I don't see that much of a diffrence to a "small" tactical nuke tbh but that would be an "inbetween"?

Russia has "conventional" bombs that are theoretically higher in yield than the smallest tactical nukes in their arsenal. Not a bunker buster, but this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs Footage of the test made international headlines and it was already used in Syria, according to the Russian armed forces.

Some people think it's a hoax and the device is not air droppable or only by cargo plane.



I have been wondering out this. I see on wiki it says 44 tons of TNT for the FOAB.

Hiroshima was 15kilotons of TNT. Ive heard that the tactical nukes are in the 1,3,5 etc kiloton range. That seems orders of magnitudes more powerful than FOAB. Am I misinterpretting the tons of TNT vs blast radius, effectivity, etc?



My problem is, defining "tactical nuke" as the next form of escalation is kind of hard. What is it? Smaller tactical nukes than 1kT exist (most extreme example: The shoulder fired Davy Crockett was 20t). Then there are nuclear weapons classified as tactical, which have multiple times the yield of a Hiroshima bomb...
I'm not an expert or want to extensively research small nuclear weapons. But, for reference: The Lebanon Fertilizer explosion was compared to a 1kT explosion, it was around 550tons of ammonium nitrate, so let's say 0.5kT. I don't think that's achievable with a bomber droppable aerosol bomb.
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They are a lot more destructive, because they create a giant cloud of an inflammable/exposive aerosol with stuff like alluminum dust mixed in between. The shockwave and heat generated have multiple times the power of a comparable TNT/equivalent bomb.

I may have fallen for Russian propaganda, it is advertised as an alternative to tactical nukes (a nuke you can drop without dropping a nuke). There'll be a reason the US haven't gone through with that tech.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 18:30:28
October 04 2022 18:30 GMT
#5283
Progress today was about half compared to yesterday, but still very significant. There are also unconfirmed areas (striped blue) which will likely be confirmed another time.

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If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 19:27:47
October 04 2022 19:12 GMT
#5284
Here is how RuAF treats it's wounded soldiers on the battlefield in the eastern front. Quite barbaric i would say, feels disgusted even though it's an enemy.

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TLDR: they are not getting evacuated, simply leaving injured behind to die.

And here is the evidence of warcrimes/torturing of civilians in Kharkiv region, note how many dentures collected in the plastic box

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If someone proposes Ukraine to go down diplomatic way, please, remember those tweets. We are literally dealing with the horde.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 19:29:56
October 04 2022 19:29 GMT
#5285
Another torture chamber has been discovered in recently liberated in Pisky - Kharkiv... beyond NSFW so won't be posting images.

It is believed that some of the dead in and around Lyman could be booby trapped. So volunteers are having to move them with Cables.




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17692 Posts
October 04 2022 19:35 GMT
#5286
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Leave it to Elon to make a fool of himself...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43673 Posts
October 04 2022 19:45 GMT
#5287
Elon has had a bad few days and is likely creating drama to draw attention from other bad news.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
October 04 2022 20:23 GMT
#5288
Didn't he just announce he is still buying Twitter, most likely after his lawyers carefully explained to him that he can't get out of the contract he signed without paying more then the takeover would cost.

So yeah he is probably expressing his frustration by inducing drama for drama's sake.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2022 20:52 GMT
#5289
Since Putin announced partial mobilization about 700k have left the country.

In less than two weeks after the partial mobilisation was announced, about 700,000 people left Russia.

According to one source, almost 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the mobilisation. The second source, in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, reports that between 600,000 and 700,000 Russians have left the country. The magazine’s source emphasised that it is not yet clear what percentage of people left the country as tourists.

According to Forbes, the media previously cited the figure of 194,000 Russians who left for Georgia, Kazakhstan and Finland in the week after the announcement of mobilisation. At the beginning of September, even before the announcement of partial mobilisation, the Federal State Statistics Service (Russia) stated that 419,000 people had left the Russian Federation in the first half of 2022 – twice as many as in the same period the previous year. There was a net migration outflow (- 96,000) in the first six months of 2022, as compared to a net inflow of 114,000 during the same period in 2021.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10856 Posts
October 04 2022 21:14 GMT
#5290
On October 05 2022 05:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Didn't he just announce he is still buying Twitter, most likely after his lawyers carefully explained to him that he can't get out of the contract he signed without paying more then the takeover would cost.

So yeah he is probably expressing his frustration by inducing drama for drama's sake.


He also reinvtented the subway by using his cars... so...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17692 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 22:07:30
October 04 2022 22:00 GMT
#5291
On October 05 2022 05:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Since Putin announced partial mobilization about 700k have left the country.

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In less than two weeks after the partial mobilisation was announced, about 700,000 people left Russia.

According to one source, almost 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the mobilisation. The second source, in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation, reports that between 600,000 and 700,000 Russians have left the country. The magazine’s source emphasised that it is not yet clear what percentage of people left the country as tourists.

According to Forbes, the media previously cited the figure of 194,000 Russians who left for Georgia, Kazakhstan and Finland in the week after the announcement of mobilisation. At the beginning of September, even before the announcement of partial mobilisation, the Federal State Statistics Service (Russia) stated that 419,000 people had left the Russian Federation in the first half of 2022 – twice as many as in the same period the previous year. There was a net migration outflow (- 96,000) in the first six months of 2022, as compared to a net inflow of 114,000 during the same period in 2021.


Source


So, 300k drafted, 700k left the country. 1 million less in the workforce while the country is undergoing an economic crisis. Doesn't sound particularly good for Russia.

Edit: Before any voices of "Russia is a big country, it's no big loss" start, let me remind you that the people leaving will mostly be ones with means to do so. I would assume young adults with skills (middle class) mostly. It's pretty heavy blow to lose 1 million skilled workers to any country.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2022 22:01 GMT
#5292
Four more HIMARS + ammo headed to Ukraine, separate from the 22(?) that were also promised but have yet to be built. Along with hundreds of thousands of ammunition. No Winter Uniforms so I guess Slovenia, Canada, Norway are responsible for that.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17692 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-04 22:27:02
October 04 2022 22:24 GMT
#5293


Russian lines to the northeast of Kherson are collapsing. Ukrainians take another massive swath of land by finally capturing Davydiv Brid (heavily fortified position) which made the Russian center of operations in the region in Novovoskresenske to abandon their position and fall back in fear of being surrounded. They now control some key locations and have more freedom of movement as they won't have to rely on pontoon bridges any more (at least they won't be as vulnerable since now they control both sides of the river).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 04 2022 22:28 GMT
#5294
--- Nuked ---
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-05 02:13:48
October 05 2022 02:13 GMT
#5295
One has to wonder if Russia is quietly building up a reserve but as of now it is hard not to see these losses as catastrophic. Never mind numbers needed to defend but offensive capability.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
October 05 2022 04:26 GMT
#5296
The Tristan Snell tweet.


@{CC}StealthBlue is that just a random post on twitter? or is that legit fact checked news? its extremely hard to tell
"We didnt listen"
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 05 2022 05:05 GMT
#5297
On October 05 2022 13:26 Taelshin wrote:
The Tristan Snell tweet.


@{CC}StealthBlue is that just a random post on twitter? or is that legit fact checked news? its extremely hard to tell


Hard to fact check the current situation, but
Coalition:
292 killed (147 killed by enemy action, 145 non-hostile deaths)
467 wounded in action
776 wounded[8]
31 tanks destroyed/disabled
28 Bradley IFVs destroyed/damaged

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

I don't really know where that number comes from, but it's probably in the right ballpark. USA losses were miniscule in comparison to what Russia is losing.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
October 05 2022 06:47 GMT
#5298
While this is true, or very close to being true, it is also misleading. The Gulf War and Russo-Ukrainian war are tottaly different types of conflict.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
October 05 2022 07:06 GMT
#5299
Just because they're different doesn't mean they can't be compared to get a sense of scale for certain things.

The whole point of making comparisons in the first place is to contextualize things that are different.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18232 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-05 07:14:03
October 05 2022 07:12 GMT
#5300
On October 05 2022 16:06 Mikau313 wrote:
Just because they're different doesn't mean they can't be compared to get a sense of scale for certain things.

The whole point of making comparisons in the first place is to contextualize things that are different.

While the Russians were maybe hoping for a Desert Storm style Blitz through Ukraine, it's been clear since April that was never going to work, and the last few weeks have made it clear that they may not even be able to hold onto the land they tried to claim in the east.

So making a comparison between tank losses in what was essentially an unopposed stroll through Kuwait, and a heavily contested slog in which Russia is being pushed back, doesn't really say much of anything. You can compare apples and oranges, but it's unlikely you'll conclude anything useful.
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