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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 17 2022 00:21 GMT
#2461
A manager thinking the problem is the people working under them, then micromanaging things into an even worse condition. Those of us in engineering have seen this before.
fakovski
Profile Joined May 2022
China50 Posts
May 17 2022 01:14 GMT
#2462
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union 31years ago, Russia become a weak country which is not likely to be a threat to any country, the Great Europe got a chance to be a heaven for the next 100years, however, peace is not favorable for some leading power.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11594 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-17 02:21:08
May 17 2022 02:20 GMT
#2463
Pretty much the opposite of Zelensky. I'm not sure if it was an interview linked here or if I read it elsewhere, but there was some reporter that embedded with Zelensky for a bit. In the piece, Zelensky states that he sees himself as the Speaker in Chief- while he continually receives updates on the war (and had personal and ongoing contact with an officer in Mariupol), he leaves the running of the war to his generals. His job is to rally the world around the Ukrainian cause. That seems wise. Know what you are good at. Hire competent people to run what they are good at- and then let them.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 17 2022 02:34 GMT
#2464
So what are the chances something happens to him?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 17 2022 02:58 GMT
#2465
On May 17 2022 11:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So what are the chances something happens to him?

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882


I felt so good watching this. This was deeply pleasurable. That woman reeeeee'ing in response made it all the better. Truly an excellent video.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11952 Posts
May 17 2022 03:47 GMT
#2466
On May 17 2022 11:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So what are the chances something happens to him?

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882


Looks like prime falling out of a window material.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 17 2022 05:15 GMT
#2467
On May 17 2022 11:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So what are the chances something happens to him?

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882

He's been consistent with his message and hasn't been afraid of criticizing Kremlin lines.

Translation of his article from way back in February:
https://russiandefpolicy.com/2022/02/07/mass-fire-strike-on-ukraine/
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 17 2022 12:22 GMT
#2468
3 more recruitment offices attacked in Russia.

Three Russian military recruitment offices were attacked over the weekend amid an uptick of violence against the facilities following Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

The first attack took place in the early hours of Friday morning, when a man dressed in black hurled a Molotov cocktail into an enlistment building in the town of Gukovo in southern Russia’s Rostov region, just five kilometers from the Ukrainian border, local news outlet 161.ru reported.

The resulting fire was extinguished by staff members, who reported no damage or injuries.

Police are still looking for the suspect, the donday.ru news outlet reported.

Similar incidents were reported in the Ryazan region southeast of Moscow, as well as in the Volgograd region in southern Russia.

In the Ryazan region town of Pronsk, images shared by Ryazpressa.ru showed a broken window and a partially-burnt entrance door after an attack early on Saturday.

Similarly, the Volgograd branch of Russia’s Emergencies Ministry reported a fire in the basement of a military enlistment office in the city’s Sovetskiy district the following day.

Russian Telegram channel Baza, which is believed to have links with Russia’s security agencies, reported a broken glass bottle was found inside the building.

More than a dozen military recruitment offices have been attacked across Russia since the invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 17 2022 15:17 GMT
#2469
On May 17 2022 11:20 Falling wrote:
Pretty much the opposite of Zelensky. I'm not sure if it was an interview linked here or if I read it elsewhere, but there was some reporter that embedded with Zelensky for a bit. In the piece, Zelensky states that he sees himself as the Speaker in Chief- while he continually receives updates on the war (and had personal and ongoing contact with an officer in Mariupol), he leaves the running of the war to his generals. His job is to rally the world around the Ukrainian cause. That seems wise. Know what you are good at. Hire competent people to run what they are good at- and then let them.


It was the excellent time.com interview.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 17 2022 19:44 GMT
#2470
Russia default watch #3... they will probably pay in Dollars, which they have repeatedly said they won't do.

The Biden administration is poised to fully block Russia’s ability to pay US bondholders after a deadline expires next week, a move that could bring Moscow closer to the brink of default.

The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control is expected to let a temporary exemption lapse once it expires on May 25, according to people familiar with the matter. The waiver, issued shortly after the US levied sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine in February, has given Moscow room to pay coupons, helping it avert default on its government debt.

The end of the carve-out could be the final straw in Russia’s debt saga after almost three months of war in Ukraine. It’s managed to make all its payments to creditors so far, weaving through the tangle of sanctions that closed off some avenues.

That includes an 11th-hour escape earlier this month, when blocked payments were eventually allowed through after Moscow tapped its domestic dollar reserves. But it’s unclear how it can sidestep the end of the US loophole.

Some Treasury officials had privately argued that allowing Russia to pay its debt would further drain its coffers and redirect resources that would otherwise be spent on weapons and military operations in Ukraine. But the administration has decided against extending the waiver as a way to maintain financial pressure on Moscow, the people said.

Another person familiar with the matter said that Treasury hasn’t made a final decision. Spokespeople at the White House and Treasury Department had no immediate comment.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 18 2022 01:41 GMT
#2471
Putin strategic game has done such wonders like Sweden, and Finland joining NATO. But now the Swiss are considering joining NATO military exercises.

With Finland and Sweden applying to join NATO in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, neutral Switzerland is also leaning closer to NATO, reviewing joint military exercises with NATO member countries.

According to Reuters, Paelvi Pulli, head of security policy at the Swiss defense ministry, said on Monday that the ministry is writing a report that includes discussions on joint military exercises with NATO countries and backfilling munitions, adding high-level meetings between Switzerland and NATO commanders on a regular basis are also on the table.

Pulli said neutrality itself was not the objective for Switzerland in deciding not to participate in World War I and II, but because it was beneficial to Swiss security, adding giving up neutrality may be helpful in promoting national interest depending on the situation. Pulli went on to emphasize that there could ultimately be changes in the way neutrality is interpreted. Swiss Defence Minister Viola Amherd, who visited Washington, D.C. earlier on May 13, also said Switzerland should work closely with the U.S.-led military alliance.

Switzerland became neutral as a result of the Treaty of Paris signed between France and European countries in early 19th century following France’s defeat in the Battle of Waterloo. After Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, however, Switzerland is imposing sanctions against Russia, allowing the export of Swiss-made ammunition to Ukraine and freezing the assets of Russian oligarchs.

Public opinion is favorable toward the move. In a recent poll, 56 percent of the respondents said they support expanding relations with NATO. Before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the number only stood at 35 percent.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
May 18 2022 17:52 GMT
#2472
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1998 Posts
May 18 2022 19:43 GMT
#2473
Maripol seems very close to falling, but it certainly took a while.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fears-mariupol-defenders-after-surrender-russia-2022-05-18/

It seems very difficult to know what really goes on in this war. The front line is also very long, so both sides can easily win and lose at the same time but in different areas.

Unfortunately, this might be a race for UE to kill as many Russian soldiers as quickly as possible. Bodybags coming home is something even Putin has to justify, and I believe there are limits to how long the population will continue to support this.
Buff the siegetank
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11952 Posts
May 18 2022 19:44 GMT
#2474
Ah, the Verdun strategy.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 18 2022 20:14 GMT
#2475
On May 19 2022 04:44 Simberto wrote:
Ah, the Verdun strategy.

When you don't/can't contest the air, you have a limited amount of options
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11952 Posts
May 18 2022 20:20 GMT
#2476
I think the point is more being unable to bring the war to the enemy, so the only choice you have left is killing their soldiers when they come to you.

I don't think Ukraine can threaten stuff in most of Russia, and even if they could, they probably don't want to.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22525 Posts
May 18 2022 20:29 GMT
#2477
On May 19 2022 05:20 Simberto wrote:
I think the point is more being unable to bring the war to the enemy, so the only choice you have left is killing their soldiers when they come to you.

I don't think Ukraine can threaten stuff in most of Russia, and even if they could, they probably don't want to.
I think especially the latter. A Ukrainian counter-invasion of Russia would give Putin the perfect excuse to rally the population, push for a full scale war and throw the kitchen sink at Ukraine.

But from what I understand Ukraine pushing Russia out of their country is an entirely realistic option. Russian advances are making little to not headway while Ukraine keeps retaking land and now threatening supply lines. And while Russia is still burning through material Ukraine keep receiving aid.
I feel like Russia will run out of vehicles and tanks long before they run out of bodies.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44245 Posts
May 18 2022 20:58 GMT
#2478
On May 19 2022 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2022 05:20 Simberto wrote:
I think the point is more being unable to bring the war to the enemy, so the only choice you have left is killing their soldiers when they come to you.

I don't think Ukraine can threaten stuff in most of Russia, and even if they could, they probably don't want to.
I think especially the latter. A Ukrainian counter-invasion of Russia would give Putin the perfect excuse to rally the population, push for a full scale war and throw the kitchen sink at Ukraine.

But from what I understand Ukraine pushing Russia out of their country is an entirely realistic option. Russian advances are making little to not headway while Ukraine keeps retaking land and now threatening supply lines. And while Russia is still burning through material Ukraine keep receiving aid.
I feel like Russia will run out of vehicles and tanks long before they run out of bodies.

Putin is a liar. If he wanted to announce that Ukraine had attacked Russia and that full mobilization was required he would do so today. He wouldn’t wait for the thing to actually happen.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany605 Posts
May 18 2022 21:08 GMT
#2479
Ukraine is not gonna invade russia for 2 reasons: it would hurt their international support because it can be argued that it would no longer be self defence. In addition to that, according to russian nuclear doctrine, use of nukes is permitted, when russias existence is threatened. I doubt ukraine wants to play chicken with either of those things.

In regards to russias nuclear deterrence, this interesting assessment is somewhat related https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-annexation-occupied-ukraine-putin’s-unacceptable-“-ramp”

very TLDR: russias current strategy could seek to grab as much territory as possible, integrate it into russia and then use the nuclear deterrence according to their doctrine to keep ukraine from trying to retake it.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 18 2022 22:19 GMT
#2480
On May 19 2022 06:08 Artesimo wrote:
Ukraine is not gonna invade russia for 2 reasons: it would hurt their international support because it can be argued that it would no longer be self defence. In addition to that, according to russian nuclear doctrine, use of nukes is permitted, when russias existence is threatened. I doubt ukraine wants to play chicken with either of those things.

In regards to russias nuclear deterrence, this interesting assessment is somewhat related https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-annexation-occupied-ukraine-putin’s-unacceptable-“-ramp”

very TLDR: russias current strategy could seek to grab as much territory as possible, integrate it into russia and then use the nuclear deterrence according to their doctrine to keep ukraine from trying to retake it.

Unless Ukraine would be on the way to take Moscow, that'd be quite the justification to try and make.
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