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On December 08 2024 01:15 Nebuchad wrote:
I'm sure you all noticed as well so in that sense my post is not necessary, but I feel like it's worth pointing out how many of the public people who are horrified at the reaction to the death of one ghoul CEO are also people who continue to support Israel's genocidal campaign.
How dare people punch up, that's so messed up. There should only be down-punching because it's more government-approved.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/02/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-bases-netzarim.html
A military base in gaza, planned since at the very least september.
In a sense, the israeli far right is a blessing to understand what's going and the israeli intent. While the so called centrists and progressive are always denying while keeping the black out, the far right is way more open about what they're doing. I forgot the name but it reminds me a documentary with a "progressive" israeli woman who was interviewing some colon in the west bank, one of the woman answered her that they had the same logic, the same approach, that she was trying to buy herself a respectability and damn she was right.
The veil of hypocrisy maintained by the biden administration which funded israel like no one before him will be shred in pieces by trump, of course, him and his crownies will never say they fund a genocide But at least, they won't pretend to be respectable and follow the rule of the law. Even better, they won't act as impartials like bill clinton and the centrists did at oslo, when the promise of palestinian state ended up with a collaborationnist failed one under the servile dictatorship of mahmoud abbas.
As for the palestinians, it won't change anything, they are condamned in the long run.
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The only thing that was in the way of a ceasefire was Netanyahu. Now that he accepted it, my assumption is that he gets something pretty big in return, for example the West Bank since that's in line with a campaign promise to Miriam Adelson; but we're early for this, and in the meantime a ceasefire is good and needed. Optically Biden will be the guy who greenlighted the ethnic cleansing and Trump will be the one who put an end to it, and Dems will 100% deserve those optics.
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Considering the previous info about Netanyahu blocking deals I see no reason to assume this time is any different.
Its kind of funny he is such a bad actor I trust a terrorist organisation over him.
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On January 17 2025 01:13 Gorsameth wrote:
Considering the previous info about Netanyahu blocking deals I see no reason to assume this time is any different.
Its kind of funny he is such a bad actor I trust a terrorist organisation over him.
There is 0 chance Netanyahu doesn't violate it on the off chance he stops blocking it.
Not to mention they're still negotiating with Hamas. That means whatever deal they come to necessarily is impossible to reconcile with Israel's reasons for slaughtering so many innocent people in the first place.
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What a suprise. Hamas cant comply with the deal and the ceasefire is off for now
Really wasnt expecting this /s
Edit: a list should have been sent now. Lets see if legit
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"Gaza is destroyed and disintegrated, uninhabitable, and it will remain that way. Do not be impressed by the forced joy of our enemies, this is an animal society that sanctifies death and dances on the ruins of its life. Very soon, we will erase their smile again and replace it with cries of grief and the wails of those who were left with nothing."
- Bezalel Smotrich, finance minister of israel
So many quotes like those, like this likud deputee who stated the children and grandchildren of a fellow arabic deputees will be exterminated.
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The ceasefire deal sounds promising. But important to note that this is just phase one. Phase two still has to be negotiated: a complete withdrawal that hinges on Hamas stepping down. That's a gigantic hurdle. Unfortunately phase two is absolutely fundamental for phase three, which includes the rebuilding of Gaza.
It's good to see that things are progressing, but I just don't think Hamas will ever agree to being removed. It's akin to Hamas demanding that Netanyahu and his entire cabinet steps down for good.
https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-ceasefire-what-does-the-agreement-say-and-how-many-hostages-will-be-released-13291798
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On January 20 2025 21:51 Magic Powers wrote:The ceasefire deal sounds promising. But important to note that this is just phase one. Phase two still has to be negotiated: a complete withdrawal that hinges on Hamas stepping down. That's a gigantic hurdle. Unfortunately phase two is absolutely fundamental for phase three, which includes the rebuilding of Gaza. It's good to see that things are progressing, but I just don't think Hamas will ever agree to being removed. It's akin to Hamas demanding that Netanyahu and his entire cabinet steps down for good. https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-ceasefire-what-does-the-agreement-say-and-how-many-hostages-will-be-released-13291798
Both things should happen, imho. Hamas out and Netanyahu (and all of Likud) out too. Boot all of them out of both countries to stand trial in the ICC, and start again with new people.
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Very nice change to read some good news stories coming out of the area, lots of terrible still, but some good. Aid making it in, hostages getting returned to families, people returning to their home area (though these stories are usually lots sad as most of their homes destroyed).
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I just caught up on what people have been saying on this conflict and wanted to make some comments. I can't find my old account after all this time so I just made a new one.
Some important facts to consider:
-Potentially 50000-70000 Gazans killed directly and likely far more who have either not been accounted for or died due to deprivation (which could be hundreds of thousands) according to the Lancet:
-Over half of Gazan structures destroyed or damaged, including universities, hospitals, water treatment plants, cemeteries:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8x00mgjxmo
-Over 80% of aid being blocked, often arbitrarily:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-blocking-80-percent-food-gaza-aid_n_66ea02d9e4b0bcfae11a3364
-9-1 civilian-militant casualty ratio is a falsehood intended to desensitize people to the lack of proportion in Israel's response:
https://aoav.org.uk/2024/casualties-in-gaza-israels-claims-of-50-combatant-deaths-dont-add-up-at-least-74-of-the-dead-are-civilians/
So not only has Israel killed possibly 5-10% of the Gazan population either violently or by depriving them of basic necessities, but we also have regular accounts of IDF soldiers describing how they are allowed to kill and maim Gazans with impunity (including shooting little children in the head), especially any Gazan unknowingly entering any area where military activities are being conducted. There's several articles from Haaretz detailing this.
I don't think that many westerners seem to be able to fully grasp that a western democracy like Israel could allow such sadism, but that's no argument that the brutality we're seeing isn't the result of Israeli society being indifferent to, or even celebrating war crimes and horrific violence on Israel's part.
At any rate, people who are "betting" this is not genocidal, or it's simply not a genocide are advocating for a position that is becoming increasingly fringe and untenable, especially from an international standpoint. Most people are unimpressed by arguments suggesting that such destruction was necessary because Hamas uses human shields so often that everything in Gaza had to be carpet-bombed- it's become a bullshit argument that people who have already determined that they are sympathetic to Israel will use regardless of how the facts of this situation evolve.
Interview on CNN from renowned historian and expert on the Holocaust who thinks Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/19/Tv/video/amanpour-bartov-omer
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With settlers attacking and burning down houses in Westbank it is hard to see how this cease fire would last long. This should also highlight how hard it is for Palestinian Authority to gain support. They can't protect their people or seek justice for them. Everything depends on Israel cooperating which does not increase trust really. Their only hope is that others would put pressure on Israel, but they do not have billions to buy weapons and lobby politicians. It is easy to see them just becoming corrupt as competent governance would require them to risk open conflict with Israel.
Also it is hard see how long Israels government will stand with Ben-Gvir leaving it. I assume Netanyahu will do anything to stay in power. Provoking reaction from Hamas would make it really easy to justify annexation and expelling Palestinians which would pretty much guarantee Netanyahu staying in power.
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On January 20 2025 21:51 Magic Powers wrote:The ceasefire deal sounds promising. But important to note that this is just phase one. Phase two still has to be negotiated: a complete withdrawal that hinges on Hamas stepping down. That's a gigantic hurdle. Unfortunately phase two is absolutely fundamental for phase three, which includes the rebuilding of Gaza. It's good to see that things are progressing, but I just don't think Hamas will ever agree to being removed. It's akin to Hamas demanding that Netanyahu and his entire cabinet steps down for good. https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-ceasefire-what-does-the-agreement-say-and-how-many-hostages-will-be-released-13291798
We can't even be sure that phase one will run the full course.
Crucial negotiating points (like IDF occupation) have all been delayed just to get the process started.
Still, even if the talks break down there is a good chance that fighting intensity drops yet again.
All will depend on Trump's attitude to the Israelis, clearly something could have been done long ago if it wasn't for Biden.
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New law in Israel, 5 years jail for questioning events of October 7th.Modelled after Holocaust laws.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-passes-law-banning-denial-of-october-7-massacre/
A law criminalizing the denial, minimization or celebration of the Hamas terror group’s October 7 attack on southern Israel passed its third and final reading 16-0 in the Knesset plenum on Tuesday.
The legislation, sponsored by Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer, is modeled after a 1986 law prohibiting Holocaust denial. “Anyone who says or writes things denying the October 7 massacre with the intention of defending the terrorist organization Hamas and its partners, expressing sympathy for them, or identifying with them, will be sentenced to five years in jail,” it states.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrn0nwn0eqo
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says the building was targeted because it was a Hezbollah "terrorist command centre" and it "eliminated" a Hezbollah commander. It added that "the overwhelming majority" of those killed in the strike were "confirmed to be terror operatives".
But a BBC Eye investigation verified the identity of 68 of the 73 people killed in the attack and uncovered evidence suggesting just six were linked to Hezbollah's military wing. None of those we identified appeared to hold a senior rank. The BBC's World Service also found that the other 62 were civilians - 23 of them children.
How can anyone believe a single word the Israelis say?
They blatantly, outright lie about every single civilian they kill.
Bloodthirsty, pathetic monsters, bullying everyone around them using their big brother's weapons.
Take the numbers that Israel lied about in this one single bombing, and extrapolate over the whole last year, and the conflict starts looking like a very different one to the conflict Israel would have you believe is happening.
Alternatively, people can just believe that the BBC is antisemitic.
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On January 24 2025 17:22 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrn0nwn0eqoShow nested quote +The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says the building was targeted because it was a Hezbollah "terrorist command centre" and it "eliminated" a Hezbollah commander. It added that "the overwhelming majority" of those killed in the strike were "confirmed to be terror operatives".
But a BBC Eye investigation verified the identity of 68 of the 73 people killed in the attack and uncovered evidence suggesting just six were linked to Hezbollah's military wing. None of those we identified appeared to hold a senior rank. The BBC's World Service also found that the other 62 were civilians - 23 of them children. How can anyone believe a single word the Israelis say? They blatantly, outright lie about every single civilian they kill. Bloodthirsty, pathetic monsters, bullying everyone around them using their big brother's weapons. Take the numbers that Israel lied about in this one single bombing, and extrapolate over the whole last year, and the conflict starts looking like a very different one to the conflict Israel would have you believe is happening. Alternatively, people can just believe that the BBC is antisemitic.
I've been saying for a long time that Israel's leadership is just as untrustworthy as Hamas. It's not a new revelation, but I want to thank you regardless for posting another strong piece of evidence. It's good to add up the information.
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On January 24 2025 22:43 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 17:22 Jockmcplop wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrn0nwn0eqoThe Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says the building was targeted because it was a Hezbollah "terrorist command centre" and it "eliminated" a Hezbollah commander. It added that "the overwhelming majority" of those killed in the strike were "confirmed to be terror operatives".
But a BBC Eye investigation verified the identity of 68 of the 73 people killed in the attack and uncovered evidence suggesting just six were linked to Hezbollah's military wing. None of those we identified appeared to hold a senior rank. The BBC's World Service also found that the other 62 were civilians - 23 of them children. How can anyone believe a single word the Israelis say? They blatantly, outright lie about every single civilian they kill. Bloodthirsty, pathetic monsters, bullying everyone around them using their big brother's weapons. Take the numbers that Israel lied about in this one single bombing, and extrapolate over the whole last year, and the conflict starts looking like a very different one to the conflict Israel would have you believe is happening. Alternatively, people can just believe that the BBC is antisemitic. I've been saying for a long time that Israel's leadership is just as untrustworthy as Hamas. It's not a new revelation, but I want to thank you regardless for posting another strong piece of evidence. It's good to add up the information.
Its really important to keep track of any confirmed cases like this because Israel's supporters will crank up the gaslighting whenever they can, and try to convince you that you're racist for thinking they lie.
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