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United States41569 Posts
On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me
It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew.
It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad.
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On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad.
Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there.
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On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there.
Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread.
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United States41569 Posts
On November 23 2024 04:08 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there. Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread.
That's still not the devastating attack that you think it is.
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On November 23 2024 05:04 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 04:08 stilt wrote:On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there. Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread. That's still not the devastating attack that you think it is.
I would argue exactly the same thing about the ICC arrest warrant tbh.
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On November 23 2024 05:15 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 05:04 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 04:08 stilt wrote:On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there. Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread. That's still not the devastating attack that you think it is. I would argue exactly the same thing about the ICC arrest warrant tbh. No one is expecting Netanyahu will ever appear before the ICC, its symbolic. Sometimes that is the most you can have for.
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On November 23 2024 05:04 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 04:08 stilt wrote:On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there. Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread. That's still not the devastating attack that you think it is.
Where is the attack ?
The fact your posts are baseless ?
Or the fact you are a negationnist of genocide ? While using 10/07 to justify it ?
Or the fact you're absolutly clueless about middle east ?
So many question for more baseless answers by our expert !
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Northern Ireland23017 Posts
On November 23 2024 05:52 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2024 05:04 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 04:08 stilt wrote:On November 23 2024 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 23 2024 03:50 KwarK wrote:On November 23 2024 01:32 WombaT wrote:
Why are vast swathes of the US quite so pro-Israel anyway?
Certain demographics I understand but the centre ground seems far more pro-Israel than basically every comparable nation as well, and that part somewhat confuses me It doesn't help that by far the most politically recognizable governments of Israel's enemies are openly evil. Murdering women/gays, suicide bombings, attacks on civilians etc. and when asked what their most important political issue is they'll happily say it's the death of every Jew. It's a complicated scenario but how to feel about Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS/Iran/Syria isn't so complicated. And when one side is so obviously baddies it makes it easy for people to assume the other side must not be as bad. Now that the ICC and a bunch of western world leaders are acknowledging that Israel is run by war criminals that should deal with this incorrect perception that it must not be as bad based on who it's fighting, perhaps we'll have progress there. Another 10/10 analysis by kwark the negationnist, biggest mena specialist of the thread. That's still not the devastating attack that you think it is. Where is the attack ? The fact your posts are baseless ? Or the fact you are a negationnist of genocide ? While using 10/07 to justify it ? Or the fact you're absolutly clueless about middle east ? So many question for more baseless answers by our expert !
What was he wrong about here? :S
One doesn’t especially have to like the degree of support Israel gets, especially in the US to acknowledge it exists and postulate as to why
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I'm not entirely sure that the american public supports Israel more than the rest of the world. Well there's the evangelical doomsday club that we don't really have elsewhere and it's a large cohort of people so in that sense yeah, but in terms of the rest of the population I don't know that it's not comparable to elsewhere. The political sphere supports Israel more, but the political sphere of the US has never cared much what the population thinks.
I suspect it's a topic where you can find polls that say most things, but I just found this: "Today, Americans are more split on who they sympathize with. In a AP-NORC/Pearson Institute poll from Sept. 12-16, 25 percent leaned more toward Israelis, while 15 percent said they sympathized more with Palestinians, 31 percent answered both equally, and 26 percent said neither." This is a little higher than the european things I find that are more between 15 and 20% support, but it's not egregious. Also this is like 2 minutes of research, probably best disregard this lol.
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One additional reason is while many other countries openly hate the US and others will support some, Israel supports the US in everything and not just in the middle east (where the rest of the countries range from wanting to kill everyone to barely tolerating) . Now they have reason to but they are the US's ride or die country. A loyalty thing.
Some people want a friend who helps them be a better person. But it is pretty nice to have someone who no matter how dumb or bad your choices are they are there to do it with you.
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United States41569 Posts
Israel supports the US in very little. It wasn't in Afghanistan. It wasn't in Iraq. It didn't bomb Libya but it did attack a US navy ship. It won't support Ukraine. It openly contradicts US policy in the region. It squabbles with Turkey.
Are you high?
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