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{CC}StealthBlue
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JimmiC
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stilt
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After a "bullet" unfortunatly killed hindi, a "stampede" killed a few dozen starving gazaans. Astonishing media portrayal | ||
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Cerebrate1
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Not to mention, until relatively recently, all the aid was coming through Egypt anyways, so theoretically, slowing the rate of aid coming through Israel shouldn't be the end of the world. The real problem is, that trucks that go into the strip get attacked and looted by armed Hamas groups or mobs. So Egyptian truck drivers have (reasonably) become quite resistant to let their trucks go into Gaza and get damaged. That's limiting the aid that can come in through Egypt. Even buying a bunch of trucks doesn't really solve the problem if those will also get damaged/destroyed, so we're left with air drops. Edit: I just saw a post about an Egyptian driver being shot to death by looters as he drove aid to Central Gaza. This will likely exacerbate the problems we are seeing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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There have been some protesters trying to block aid from entering Gaza via Israel (their logic being, it is delaying the release of the hostages to keep providing supplies to Hamas), but Israeli police have been cracking down on those protesters with water cannons, arrests, etc to let the aid through. About that...Young Israelis block aid to Gaza while IDF soldiers stand and watch | ||
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JimmiC
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stilt
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On March 01 2024 00:52 Cerebrate1 wrote: Ya, the problem is not really Israel the government preventing aid from getting in. There have been some protesters trying to block aid from entering Gaza via Israel (their logic being, it is delaying the release of the hostages to keep providing supplies to Hamas), but Israeli police have been cracking down on those protesters with water cannons, arrests, etc to let the aid through. Not to mention, until relatively recently, all the aid was coming through Egypt anyways, so theoretically, slowing the rate of aid coming through Israel shouldn't be the end of the world. The real problem is, that trucks that go into the strip get attacked and looted by armed Hamas groups or mobs. So Egyptian truck drivers have (reasonably) become quite resistant to let their trucks go into Gaza and get damaged. That's limiting the aid that can come in through Egypt. Even buying a bunch of trucks doesn't really solve the problem if those will also get damaged/destroyed, so we're left with air drops. Edit: I just saw a post about an Egyptian driver being shot to death by looters as he drove aid to Central Gaza. This will likely exacerbate the problems we are seeing. This article begs to differ https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231222-gaza-bound-aid-trucks-endure-grueling-wait-at-border Israel has still a hand of this corridor and egyptian bureaucratie is not helping either. According to the UN, 500 trucks are needed per day for the whole population while the guardian state 5 times less have crosses the border, the narrative Hamas is stealing everything is sadly working but the truth is there is not enough food and these conditions ineluctably create both a black market and a speculation in which every major actors strangle the populations. There are quite a lot of money to gain actually as a lot of donations are sent to gaza by paiement on internet, the big winners of it are obviously not hamas or any palestinians but some egyptians and israelis who can enrich themselves with it just like a few germans officiers became super rich with the black market during the german occupation of France. This one is pretty damning too. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/amp/why-isn-t-desperately-needed-aid-reaching-palestinians-in-gaza-/7499319.html Finding sources about how north gaza is out of reach isn't hard tbh. Same for sources about convoys being bombed which are plausibles, when ambulance and 6 yo kids are shots I don't know why aids convoy would suddently escape the onslaught. But yes, this dangerous situation for the drivers might be partially caused by the palestinians themselves not that it deflects israel responsability on the matter. The egyptian drivers becoming quite resistant doesn't fit neither the articles and news, maybe some are but the overall trend from what I hear from the people I know out there and the news is the population has never been as pro palestinians as today while their dictator has never been as pro israeli, I mean, that's pretty obvious, al sissi power comes from their biggest ally and brother-country the us while hamas matrice is its arch enemy, the muslim brotherhood. The armed mob seem more like starving people ready to do anything to survive (according to some testimonies they were children around), every armed palestinians is obviously shot as hamas militants so they can't self regulate themselves while the famine is progressing. Finding articles in the early stage of this so-called war isn't very hard, not that ir was particulary hard to predict. It's even very likely as this point Hamas cohesion as a organization has disappeared and most act as independant little groups and militias. As chaos is rising this is more bound to happen. Anyway, the collapse of social cohesion and law and order under starvation and bombing on a clouded place of 2 millions people makes it indeed dangerous for the trucks to pass on but you choose to forget who is causing it in the first place and yes, the slowing of trucks is the end of the world, less than 100 trucks when you already need 500 to sustain the population is the end of the world. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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FriedrichNietzsche
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On March 01 2024 03:13 JimmiC wrote: It is interesting to watch you morality just do a complete 180. I almost can't believe you are writing how negative it is that the military is not removing protestors. !? | ||
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stilt
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On March 01 2024 07:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Again... Biden needs to summon the spirit of Eisenhower. https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1763239063547510928 Which implicit tells the death toll is superior to hamas'. The men, fighters or not have to be the main targets. Or I am still incredibly naive on the nature of this perpetrated horror. | ||
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JimmiC
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Godwrath
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Usual JimmiC logic. I don't really can understand how his brain is wired when he thinks he is doing a smart remark comparing activists for human or social rights to a bunch of israelis blocking humanitarian aid. | ||
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JimmiC
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FriedrichNietzsche
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On March 01 2024 08:25 JimmiC wrote: There are a lot of things that GH would like to protest that many people wouldn’t agree with. But if it’s not Israel he wouldn’t want the military to intervene and would wax poetic about the right to protest. The Black Lives Matter protests that lead to a lot of destruction come to mind. The Israelis are blocking the Aid because they believe it is all ending up with Hamas, who is then selling it to the people in need to run their terrorist efforts or in the case of fuel using it for that. They believe stopping the aid will pressure Hamas into surrender and releasing the hostages. We just had articles posted here that agree with them (not about the last sentence). Which is why many countries are doing or considering air drops. I get that hate has turned off your critical thinking limiting your ability to think of any other perspective, but your far from alone so I’ll ignore the insult. Can you shouw me sources that this is true/the case? If not I think it is absurd to not condemn these protests trying to block humanitarian aid. If such examples exist very unfrequently it is still completely unreasonable. It boggles the mind how someone with a somewhat sane ethical/moral compass does not see this. I am bewildered. | ||
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JimmiC
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Cricketer12
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On March 01 2024 08:25 JimmiC wrote: There are a lot of things that GH would like to protest that many people wouldn’t agree with. But if it’s not Israel he wouldn’t want the military to intervene and would wax poetic about the right to protest. The Black Lives Matter protests that lead to a lot of destruction come to mind. The Israelis are blocking the Aid because they believe it is all ending up with Hamas, who is then selling it to the people in need to run their terrorist efforts or in the case of fuel using it for that. They believe stopping the aid will pressure Hamas into surrender and releasing the hostages. We just had articles posted here that agree with them (not about the last sentence). Which is why many countries are doing or considering air drops. I get that hate has turned off your critical thinking limiting your ability to think of any other perspective, but your far from alone so I’ll ignore the insult. Can you confirm if you are specifically referring to a defense of the riots? Bit of a weird take to lump in the numerous peaceful protests with the more rancorous ones, or even those with good intentions marred by the minority committing crimes. | ||
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JimmiC
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Cerebrate1
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On March 01 2024 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote: About that...Young Israelis block aid to Gaza while IDF soldiers stand and watch I can't read your article because of a paywall, but I did say police were cracking down, I did not mention the IDF. The IDF did break up one protest, but there was a lot of stir about it, so they've probably made it a specific policy not to get involved with any more Israeli protests after that. It happens to be that in most countries, the army is for dealing with external forces, while the police deal with policing local citizens. That's generally the case in Israel as well. It's especially important for the morale of the IDF (that conscripts most Israelis at some point) that it's focus be defending Israeli lives from non-Israelis rather than in policing Israelis within Israel proper. | ||
Manifesto7
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GreenHorizons
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On March 01 2024 10:26 Cerebrate1 wrote: I can't read your article because of a paywall, but I did say police were cracking down, I did not mention the IDF. The IDF did break up one protest, but there was a lot of stir about it, so they've probably made it a specific policy not to get involved with any more Israeli protests after that. It happens to be that in most countries, the army is for dealing with external forces, while the police deal with policing local citizens. That's generally the case in Israel as well. It's especially important for the morale of the IDF (that conscripts most Israelis at some point) that it's focus be defending Israeli lives from non-Israelis rather than in policing Israelis within Israel proper. Well it's supposed to be "closed military zone" and those are typically maintained by the military. As we see in other reports For three days in a row one week, they managed to stop all trucks from crossing. When the Israeli government ordered the military to clear the roads, protesters moved north to the port of Ashdod, where they blockaded other trucks. They also know their actions are starving innocent children. "Should I have mercy on the children of today who will be the terrorists of tomorrow?" www.npr.org | ||
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