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On November 04 2020 18:37 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:33 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 18:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:16 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 04 2020 18:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:03 IyMoon wrote:On November 04 2020 18:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What about North Carolina? Is it over there? Seems awfully close. I think the votes outstanding dont support a Biden win in NC Yes that makes sense. Geez this is soooo complicated compared to the french presidential election. Thanks for your answers guys, I was losing my mind. You are awesome. Well its an insanely big country and it has an insanly old, outdated voting system, so yeah.. The fact that it's technically 51 completely different elections with their own system that combine into one clusterfuck of nonsensical arithmetics doesn't help. It's like a super shitty election megatron. The US is more like the EU than any specific European country where they are mostly centralized provincial units not Federalized Republics (more akin to say Switzerlands Cantons). Stop comparing everything to you guys and saying shit like that. Is the EU out-dated? If the US is then the EU has to be. But the EU same rules for the European parlement elections in every country and all our state elections are not counted to elect one leader. Xtf are you talking about.
My point was that the US is more like 50 different countries (with how autonomous our states are at least in theory if not in practice) than say comparing to France where its more provincial with much less autonomy. It goes back to our Founding. Each colony was basically its own country when we declared independence and they joined in a loose Confederation to throw off the Crown. You can't compare that to France. It's bizarre.
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Nate Cohn says that Biden should actually be leading in every state right now sans NC. The absentee city ballots are really going to push Biden over the top.
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On November 04 2020 18:41 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:37 Diavlo wrote:On November 04 2020 18:33 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 18:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:16 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 04 2020 18:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:03 IyMoon wrote:On November 04 2020 18:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What about North Carolina? Is it over there? Seems awfully close. I think the votes outstanding dont support a Biden win in NC Yes that makes sense. Geez this is soooo complicated compared to the french presidential election. Thanks for your answers guys, I was losing my mind. You are awesome. Well its an insanely big country and it has an insanly old, outdated voting system, so yeah.. The fact that it's technically 51 completely different elections with their own system that combine into one clusterfuck of nonsensical arithmetics doesn't help. It's like a super shitty election megatron. The US is more like the EU than any specific European country where they are mostly centralized provincial units not Federalized Republics (more akin to say Switzerlands Cantons). Stop comparing everything to you guys and saying shit like that. Is the EU out-dated? If the US is then the EU has to be. But the EU same rules for the European parlement elections in every country and all our state elections are not counted to elect one leader. Xtf are you talking about. My point was that the US is more like 50 different countries (with how autonomous our states are at least in theory if not in practice) than say comparing to France where its more provincial with much less autonomy. It goes back to our Founding. Each colony was basically its own country when we declared independence and they joined in a loose Confederation to throw off the Crown. You can't compare that to France. It's bizarre.
We know, that the states in US are more independent than counties in france or in Germany.
But they are WAY WAY less independent than EU countries. So your comparison is even more bizarre
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On November 04 2020 18:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
Nate Cohn says that Biden should actually be leading in every state right now sans NC. The absentee city ballots are really going to push Biden over the top.
So much for you heading to bed soon, an hour ago lol
This Wisconsin flip was a relief worth staying up for.
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NYT already reporting on the same numbers. Biden ahead by 11k votes in WI according to them as well
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On November 04 2020 18:43 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:41 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 18:37 Diavlo wrote:On November 04 2020 18:33 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 18:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:16 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 04 2020 18:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:03 IyMoon wrote:On November 04 2020 18:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What about North Carolina? Is it over there? Seems awfully close. I think the votes outstanding dont support a Biden win in NC Yes that makes sense. Geez this is soooo complicated compared to the french presidential election. Thanks for your answers guys, I was losing my mind. You are awesome. Well its an insanely big country and it has an insanly old, outdated voting system, so yeah.. The fact that it's technically 51 completely different elections with their own system that combine into one clusterfuck of nonsensical arithmetics doesn't help. It's like a super shitty election megatron. The US is more like the EU than any specific European country where they are mostly centralized provincial units not Federalized Republics (more akin to say Switzerlands Cantons). Stop comparing everything to you guys and saying shit like that. Is the EU out-dated? If the US is then the EU has to be. But the EU same rules for the European parlement elections in every country and all our state elections are not counted to elect one leader. Xtf are you talking about. My point was that the US is more like 50 different countries (with how autonomous our states are at least in theory if not in practice) than say comparing to France where its more provincial with much less autonomy. It goes back to our Founding. Each colony was basically its own country when we declared independence and they joined in a loose Confederation to throw off the Crown. You can't compare that to France. It's bizarre. We know, that the states in US are more independent than counties in france or in Germany. But they are WAY WAY less independent than EU countries. So your comparison is even more bizarre
He's talking constitutional theory. The United States is, theoretically, exactly what the name implies. Sovereign states cooperating for the common good on suprastate matters. It's not actually, of course, but Wegandi is a constitutionalist.
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On November 04 2020 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
Nate Cohn says that Biden should actually be leading in every state right now sans NC. The absentee city ballots are really going to push Biden over the top. So much for you heading to bed soon, an hour ago lol This Wisconsin flip was a relief worth staying up for.
I went to go play some games with friends to take my mind off things but yeah this is incredible. So much for sleep.
If this is what is gonna happen with PA and MI, it's really gonna be an awakening for Republicans tomorrow morning.
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On November 04 2020 17:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 16:46 KwarK wrote:Wisconsin looks promising So far, Biden appears to have flipped Sauk County. According to turnout estimates, around 360,000 votes remain in counties won by Hillary Clinton in 2016. Trump 2016 counties have around 240,000 votes left to report. Trump is up <120,000 votes. Show nested quote +So far, Biden appears to have flipped Sauk County. According to turnout estimates, around 320,000 votes remain in counties won by Hillary Clinton in 2016. Trump 2016 counties have around 110,000 votes left to report. 2m ago Trump up by <110,000 votes. Let's assume the 110k offset. That gives us 220k to overcome a 110k margin. That means we need a split of 160k 50k for a Biden win or 76%. It's not impossible.
So far, Biden appears to have flipped Sauk County. According to turnout estimates, around 150,000 votes remain in counties won by Hillary Clinton in 2016. Trump 2016 counties have around 90,000 votes left to report. 3m ago
Biden up by 11k votes
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So what's the consensus? Biden squeaks through but doesn't get the senate?
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Whatever the eventual outcome, it's clear the battle for the soul of the nation has been lost.
It is beyond belief that things are still this close four years later.
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On November 04 2020 18:47 EnDeR_ wrote:
So what's the consensus? Biden squeaks through but doesn't get the senate?
Still too close to call. Georgia stopped counting for the night. They'll let us know in the morning. NYT is projecting that Atlanta is going to flip the state but Trump is currently ahead.
If Georgia flips and Wisconsin holds the line then Biden wins.
If Georgia doesn't flip then Biden needs to pick up either MI or PA.
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On November 04 2020 18:48 Belisarius wrote:
Whatever the eventual outcome, it's clear the battle for the soul of the nation has been lost.
It is beyond belief that things are still this close four years later.
Yup. It s sad.
How after 4 years of US shitshow half of them think Trump is a viable option is mind blowing.
I get it, that Biden isn t the strongest candidate, but that it s so close is just sad.
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Can Biden win GA and NC?
Also, if Biden wins it all, are we looking at armed conflicts?
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On November 04 2020 18:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:47 EnDeR_ wrote:
So what's the consensus? Biden squeaks through but doesn't get the senate? Still too close to call. Georgia stopped counting for the night. They'll let us know in the morning. NYT is projecting that Atlanta is going to flip the state but Trump is currently ahead. If Georgia flips and Wisconsin holds the line then Biden wins. If Georgia doesn't flip then Biden needs to pick up either MI or PA.
So Biden needs 2 out of those 4?
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Frankly, what I care most right now is not to see Trump's ugly face and hear his awful voice every time I open the news because of the dreadful things he has done and said in the last six hours every day for the next four years. The ocean toxicity he spread is something the world can do without.
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I wonder which outlet has the most accurate Wisconsin results. NPR has Biden's lead at around 8k-9k. CNN has it around 10k-11k. Tweets about Decision Desk's numbers put it at maybe 20k or 30k.
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WI is still super close even with Biden ahead by 11k. With Milwaukee basicly being reported now the areas who aren't done reporting are all Republican leaning. Smaller by population for sure and if it's still mail-in votes they're probably leaning more towards Biden even there but 11k is not a lot:
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(the votes missing in Brown county are "early votes", whatever that means)
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On November 04 2020 18:33 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:16 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 04 2020 18:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 04 2020 18:03 IyMoon wrote:On November 04 2020 18:02 Biff The Understudy wrote:
What about North Carolina? Is it over there? Seems awfully close. I think the votes outstanding dont support a Biden win in NC Yes that makes sense. Geez this is soooo complicated compared to the french presidential election. Thanks for your answers guys, I was losing my mind. You are awesome. Well its an insanely big country and it has an insanly old, outdated voting system, so yeah.. The fact that it's technically 51 completely different elections with their own system that combine into one clusterfuck of nonsensical arithmetics doesn't help. It's like a super shitty election megatron. The US is more like the EU than any specific European country where they are mostly centralized provincial units not Federalized Republics (more akin to say Switzerlands Cantons). Stop comparing everything to you guys and saying shit like that. Is the EU out-dated? If the US is then the EU has to be.
This is completely untrue tho. EU doesn't have a president who directly impacts our lives by forcefully implementing good or bad changes. Every country in the EU is completely their own, unlike states who are just kinda their own-but not really. Trying to pretend US isn't a country, but works more like a combination of countries, is disingenuous.
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On November 04 2020 18:51 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 18:50 KwarK wrote:On November 04 2020 18:47 EnDeR_ wrote:
So what's the consensus? Biden squeaks through but doesn't get the senate? Still too close to call. Georgia stopped counting for the night. They'll let us know in the morning. NYT is projecting that Atlanta is going to flip the state but Trump is currently ahead. If Georgia flips and Wisconsin holds the line then Biden wins. If Georgia doesn't flip then Biden needs to pick up either MI or PA. So Biden needs 2 out of those 4?
Yes, plus NV and AZ which I assumed he'd have.
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