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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 04 2020 02:31 GMT
#801
On November 04 2020 11:30 AsariCommando wrote:
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On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic


If Trump loses, there is no way he will do the right thing on his way out. We'd have to wait until at least January-February for any stimulus at all. There's also a good chance that he'll try to burn everything down on his way out. Of course, if he wins, then he has no incentive to pass stimulus and we know he doesn't care about people.


Democrats need the Senate to get it passed and I'm not confident that's gonna happen. McConnell will let precisely nothing pass ever.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 02:32 GMT
#802
On November 04 2020 11:30 AsariCommando wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic


If Trump loses, there is no way he will do the right thing on his way out. We'd have to wait until at least January-February for any stimulus at all. There's also a good chance that he'll try to burn everything down on his way out. Of course, if he wins, then he has no incentive to pass stimulus and we know he doesn't care about people.


Trump has always been big on stimulus lol. He's not the impediment to stimulus.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24208 Posts
November 04 2020 02:32 GMT
#803
On November 04 2020 11:29 LegalLord wrote:
Reasonable chance that Pennsylvania will be deciding, which would mean we'll wait several days at least for results.

Biden would have to win something like Arizona at this point to win without PA. Or lose MI or WI to seal the deal for Trump.


Yeah Arizona isn't looking good if Biden's poor performance with Hispanic/Latinx communities continues. It appears they agree with his campaign that they aren't 'part of their path to victory,'
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 02:34:28
November 04 2020 02:32 GMT
#804
On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic

Maybe he'll actually get rid of payroll tax like he promised upon reelection!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
November 04 2020 02:32 GMT
#805
On November 04 2020 11:28 AsariCommando wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:03 Wegandi wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:00 Starlightsun wrote:
On November 04 2020 10:54 Wegandi wrote:
On November 04 2020 10:43 Starlightsun wrote:
On November 04 2020 10:38 Lmui wrote:
Pretty much, the world is looking at the USA and shaking their heads wondering why the fuck this is so close and nailbiting.

It was like this in 2016 too, I was with my coworkers and thinking that there was no way the USA would be dumb enough to elect Trump, but here we are.


In 2016 at least he was a political unknown. There was a chance he would at least surround himself with competent people and do a good job despite being a bad person. I truly can't understand how it is close this year though.


While people might not like Trump, they don't like what the Dems are offering even more. How is that hard to understand? By the way looks like I will be right about FL with Trump at +3%.


Doing nothing about covid except making it worse with massive rallies is better than what the Dems are offering?


A lot of people are against lockdowns and Dems backed lockdowns hard, plus COVID isn't the end all be all. Maybe the dems are better on COVID, but people are turned off by their economic proposals or foreign policy, etc. You're acting like people are one-issue and they don't calculate dynamically. Plus, we have no idea how people ordinally rank their preferences.


I think you're vastly overestimating the "backlash" against lockdowns. Most people want the government and for society to take smart preventative measures. Trump bombed the handling of this, encouraged anti-maskers, admitted to downplaying the virus, got the virus because of his own conspiracy theories, promoted fake drugs (and bleach of all things), and promoted fake doctors who think vaccines are made from alien semen. His closing message in the campaign is that he's going to fire the well respected Dr. Fauci and that the virus is over. I don't think anyone other than cult members, think he's doing well or that this will help him.

From my analysis the only state where this lockdown issue really matters is Nevada, since Vegas is a tourist town and the lockdowns hurt them a lot.Plus it was reasonably close in 2016.If the Hispanic issues hold up for Biden i would predict Trump winning NV, with the lockdown issues maybe giving him an extra couple percent on top.I did give NV to Biden before tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 04 2020 02:32 GMT
#806
Ohio is probably the most important state at the moment, even over PA.

Even with Trump's victory in Florida/Georgia/Texas, if he loses Ohio, it's less than 1% that he wins overall according to the 538 prediction tool.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/?cid=abcnews
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 04 2020 02:33 GMT
#807
On November 04 2020 11:32 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:30 AsariCommando wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic


If Trump loses, there is no way he will do the right thing on his way out. We'd have to wait until at least January-February for any stimulus at all. There's also a good chance that he'll try to burn everything down on his way out. Of course, if he wins, then he has no incentive to pass stimulus and we know he doesn't care about people.


Trump has always been big on stimulus lol. He's not the impediment to stimulus.


He explicitly refused to work on any stimulus for several weeks.

He flip-flopped on this multiple times this fall.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 04 2020 02:33 GMT
#808
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
November 04 2020 02:34 GMT
#809
On November 04 2020 11:32 Lmui wrote:
Ohio is probably the most important state at the moment, even over PA.

Even with Trump's victory in Florida/Georgia/Texas, if he loses Ohio, it's less than 1% that he wins overall according to the 538 prediction tool.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/?cid=abcnews

Trump was down 364K with 49% in and now he's down around 100K with 60% in, i don't see him losing OH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
November 04 2020 02:34 GMT
#810
On November 04 2020 11:31 KwarK wrote:
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On November 04 2020 11:28 Oukka wrote:
What's the NC consensus? I'm seeing it at 81% in, so about 500k votes left to count and Biden leads by 100k. Is the rest of it that strong for Trump?

80% and 5m counted = 1.25m more to count.


Shhh... It's 2:30am and it looks like Trump isn't being laughed out of the White House. Excuse my brain for not doing numbers good.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5224 Posts
November 04 2020 02:35 GMT
#811
On November 04 2020 11:28 Oukka wrote:
What's the NC consensus? I'm seeing it at 81% in, so about 500k votes left to count and Biden leads by 100k. Is the rest of it that strong for Trump?


NC is still counting mail in ballots until the 12th as long as they were postmarked by today (NC resident here). Going to be very close.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 02:35 GMT
#812
On November 04 2020 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:32 Wegandi wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:30 AsariCommando wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic


If Trump loses, there is no way he will do the right thing on his way out. We'd have to wait until at least January-February for any stimulus at all. There's also a good chance that he'll try to burn everything down on his way out. Of course, if he wins, then he has no incentive to pass stimulus and we know he doesn't care about people.


Trump has always been big on stimulus lol. He's not the impediment to stimulus.


He explicitly refused to work on any stimulus for several weeks.

He flip-flopped on this multiple times this fall.


Trump has always advocated for checks to the people. Even more than the 1200$ in the original and has always advocated increases there. He's even said he wanted 2T+. I think the only thing McConnel and Trump agree on with issue to next round of stimulus is no money to bail out the states, especially the badly managed D states (their words, though I tend to agree that the D run States have very bad budgets that shouldn't be bailed out by the Feds).
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 04 2020 02:35 GMT
#813
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AsariCommando
Profile Joined August 2017
United States18 Posts
November 04 2020 02:35 GMT
#814
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 02:37:07
November 04 2020 02:36 GMT
#815
On November 04 2020 11:34 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:32 Lmui wrote:
Ohio is probably the most important state at the moment, even over PA.

Even with Trump's victory in Florida/Georgia/Texas, if he loses Ohio, it's less than 1% that he wins overall according to the 538 prediction tool.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/?cid=abcnews

Trump was down 364K with 49% in and now he's down around 100K with 60% in, i don't see him losing OH.


A lot of the outstanding vote is in heavily urban areas, which may make a large difference.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 04 2020 02:37 GMT
#816
On November 04 2020 11:35 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:32 Wegandi wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:30 AsariCommando wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:25 Zambrah wrote:
God I'm excited to not have any stimulus for the rest of the pandemic


If Trump loses, there is no way he will do the right thing on his way out. We'd have to wait until at least January-February for any stimulus at all. There's also a good chance that he'll try to burn everything down on his way out. Of course, if he wins, then he has no incentive to pass stimulus and we know he doesn't care about people.


Trump has always been big on stimulus lol. He's not the impediment to stimulus.


He explicitly refused to work on any stimulus for several weeks.

He flip-flopped on this multiple times this fall.


Trump has always advocated for checks to the people. Even more than the 1200$ in the original and has always advocated increases there. He's even said he wanted 2T+. I think the only thing McConnel and Trump agree on with issue to next round of stimulus is no money to bail out the states, especially the badly managed D states (their words, though I tend to agree that the D run States have very bad budgets that shouldn't be bailed out by the Feds).

Well I mean we could have the red states bail out the red states, and the blue states bail out the blues. That would go wonderfully.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 04 2020 02:38 GMT
#817
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24208 Posts
November 04 2020 02:38 GMT
#818
On November 04 2020 11:35 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 11:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 04 2020 11:29 LegalLord wrote:
Reasonable chance that Pennsylvania will be deciding, which would mean we'll wait several days at least for results.

Biden would have to win something like Arizona at this point to win without PA. Or lose MI or WI to seal the deal for Trump.


Yeah Arizona isn't looking good if Biden's poor performance with Hispanic/Latinx communities continues. It appears they agree with his campaign that they aren't 'part of their path to victory,'

Has Biden done poorly with Hispanics in general or just the Cubans? I have only seen poor with Cubans.


On November 04 2020 10:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 10:28 LegalLord wrote:
On November 04 2020 10:18 Stratos_speAr wrote:
EDIT: I think people are taking FL as too much of an indicator of the entire nation. I think we need to see how Ohio, Georgia, and NC go before making real predictions (i.e. close race vs. comfortable).

Florida looks a lot less like an outlier and a lot more like a trend.


To that point Hispanic vote numbers in Ohio, Georgia, and Florida (not sure their proportions of the electorate in each though).


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 04 2020 02:38 GMT
#819
On November 04 2020 11:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Biden only leads by 19 in Hidalgo. That's absolutely wild considering that Clinton carried it by 40 in 2016. Looks like all the Dem campaigning in the Rio Grande Valley failed to pay off


people are set on their ways. cannot learn
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 04 2020 02:40 GMT
#820
Didn't Bidens campaign in March say that they didn't consider Hispanic voters a path to victory? I wonder if thatll bite them in the ass
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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