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On November 07 2020 06:30 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On November 07 2020 06:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Election desks are probably dragging this out because it's ratings gold to keep people on tenterhooks and glued to the screen. I assume around 5-6 PM EST when people are finished with work and back to watching and PA is at or above a 35k vote lead for Biden, they'll call it and then transition to Biden's victory speech at 8. I honestly don't think the networks will call PA with a 35K lead for Biden at this point. AP will have to do it first. MSNBC has said they'll call it at 30k Biden lead. It's already super obvious that he'll hit that, so I dunno what they're doing.
By the time it happens they'll have an excuse not to. It's clear the numbers people aren't the one doing these calls anymore.
It's just in such poor judgment to have the AZ call out there for Fox and AP at this point and not PA.
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The AZ call was a fuck up though, everyone agrees about that..
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On November 07 2020 06:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:11 Nevuk wrote:On November 07 2020 06:05 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's kind of weird that the election is not called already isn't it? I mean, how is Trump supposed to come back in PA? It's been called by at least three outlets. Decision Desk, Vox, and Business Times have all called it for Biden. Not calling it is just journalistic malpractice by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, et al. ABC has a long standing policy that they won't call an election that is <1% of the vote, which is the only reason I'm excluding them. The issue is that every second they delay calling it is one that lets these conspiracies get worse. Yeah that makes sense. The NYT still hasn't called it either though. No idea what they are doing..
NYT doesn't have a decision desk that calls elections--they follow the calls made by AP and the big TV decision desks. They do review them, and may decline to follow a call if they're not convinced (such as in Arizona), but they won't call races themselves.
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On November 07 2020 06:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 07 2020 06:11 Nevuk wrote:On November 07 2020 06:05 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's kind of weird that the election is not called already isn't it? I mean, how is Trump supposed to come back in PA? It's been called by at least three outlets. Decision Desk, Vox, and Business Times have all called it for Biden. Not calling it is just journalistic malpractice by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, et al. ABC has a long standing policy that they won't call an election that is <1% of the vote, which is the only reason I'm excluding them. The issue is that every second they delay calling it is one that lets these conspiracies get worse. Yeah that makes sense. The NYT still hasn't called it either though. No idea what they are doing.. NYT doesn't have a decision desk that calls elections--they follow the calls made by AP and the big TV decision desks. They do review them, and may decline to follow a call if they're not convinced (such as in Arizona), but they won't call races themselves.
Oh! Interesting, I was actually wondering how it worked. Thanks man!
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Fun historical anecdote: McSally's back to back Senate runs in AZ appear to have turned both Senate seats from The Grand Canyon state blue for the first time since 1952. Great job! We need more Republicans like her.
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McSally was such a gibbering buffoon during her debate with Kelly, I'm glad that seat is in sane hands
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On November 07 2020 05:53 Mohdoo wrote:In case anyone is wondering how y'allqaeda is reacting to this, violence is openly thrown around + Show Spoiler +
I guarantee that mintscape is some white guy poser, what the literal fuck is he on about
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On November 07 2020 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:I guarantee that mintscape is some white guy poser, what the literal fuck is he on about
Yeah you see a lot of "former Muslim" and "former liberal" on those sites
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Politico still has AZ as a win for Biden hah
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On November 07 2020 05:08 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 05:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 07 2020 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Looking at the results map, it seems Wyoming is by far the state with the highest % of Trump voters at 70.4%. Given that I know practically nothing about Wyoming (except that it looks like a amazingly beautiful place on an image search), why does this state lean particularly hard red? Because there are probably more cattle than people in Wyoming. It's so rural that the rural Trumper culture absolutely dominates. It's largest metro area is the size of a large suburb (i.e. a single city) in Minnesota, and Minnesota isn't even that populated. It's hard for me to even comprehend an entire state that rural, and I grew up in a rural area. The city I group in in CA has 1/5th the population of Wyomin. Its not a big city, its so small that nobody whos not from the south bay has ever heard of it
Was curious so I looked
31 cities in the USA have higher populations than Wyoming (578759).
Wyoming has a senator for ~289k people. That is a smaller population than 67 cities in the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
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On November 07 2020 05:53 Mohdoo wrote:In case anyone is wondering how y'allqaeda is reacting to this, violence is openly thrown around + Show Spoiler +
Tsss, those democrats.
They loved when Bush invaded Irak and they loved it more when it cost a trillion dollar and destabilized the region and created ISIS.
Those bastards, not even greatful enough to let the republicans get a little presidential election for free.
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They're covering their ass. The idea that PA "will be - or is likely to become - in range of a recount" is a smokescreen; the state should end up +70K Biden at least.
Also, they better uncall AZ then! Because the chances that ends up in recount range is way higher than PA.
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On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.
Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.
Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment). CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore. 0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it.
Dude I literally watched them talking just that the other night with Chris Cuomo lol. They were discussing how shocked they were the elections were this close.
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Biden up 4k now in Georgia.
Biden 2,455,426 49.42%
Trump 2,451,191 49.34%
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I just read AP's own:
The Democrat opened a lead of more than 13,500 votes Friday afternoon over Trump, of more than 6.5 million votes cast — a lead of about 0.21%. State law dictates that a recount must be held if the margin between the two candidates is less than 0.5%. There are tens of thousands of votes left to count.
Additionally, there are potentially tens of thousands of provisional ballots that remain to be tabulated, though an exact number remained unclear. Those ballots will be counted after officials verify their eligibility to be included.
But yes, the way the counting has been trending still makes this awkward. They should ask themselves how Trump can possibly reclaim the lead with a 30%-41% trend.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-explain-pennsylvania-election-results-78db7d8f08455c619fc59e30092283f2
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On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.
Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.
Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment). CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore. 0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it.
Here it is in another segment I found:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/black-voters-2020-election-donald-trump-white-nationalism/index.html
And here is another segment of CNN attacking voters:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185625550001#sp=show-clips
It is bias as can be. And the fact you say it is mostly true means you should explain how you draw that conclusion? The leader of Proud Boys is not white. Trump made waves with more minority voters than any Republican in decades. So you need to provide evidence not wild accusations.
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On November 07 2020 07:11 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.
Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.
Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment). CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore. 0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it. Here it is in another segment I found: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/black-voters-2020-election-donald-trump-white-nationalism/index.htmlAnd here is another segment of CNN attacking voters: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185625550001#sp=show-clipsIt is bias as can be. And the fact you say it is mostly true means you should explain how you draw that conclusion? The leader of Proud Boys is not white. Trump made waves with more minority voters than any Republican in decades. So you need to provide evidence not wild accusations.
The leader is white, the "current" leader is a poster boy for the hispanic communities.
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