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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 21:33:27
November 06 2020 21:31 GMT
#4661
On November 07 2020 06:30 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 06:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Election desks are probably dragging this out because it's ratings gold to keep people on tenterhooks and glued to the screen. I assume around 5-6 PM EST when people are finished with work and back to watching and PA is at or above a 35k vote lead for Biden, they'll call it and then transition to Biden's victory speech at 8.


I honestly don't think the networks will call PA with a 35K lead for Biden at this point. AP will have to do it first.

MSNBC has said they'll call it at 30k Biden lead. It's already super obvious that he'll hit that, so I dunno what they're doing.


By the time it happens they'll have an excuse not to. It's clear the numbers people aren't the one doing these calls anymore.

It's just in such poor judgment to have the AZ call out there for Fox and AP at this point and not PA.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8080 Posts
November 06 2020 21:33 GMT
#4662
The AZ call was a fuck up though, everyone agrees about that..
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 06 2020 21:35 GMT
#4663
On November 07 2020 06:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On November 07 2020 06:11 Nevuk wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:05 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's kind of weird that the election is not called already isn't it? I mean, how is Trump supposed to come back in PA?

It's been called by at least three outlets. Decision Desk, Vox, and Business Times have all called it for Biden. Not calling it is just journalistic malpractice by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, et al.

ABC has a long standing policy that they won't call an election that is <1% of the vote, which is the only reason I'm excluding them. The issue is that every second they delay calling it is one that lets these conspiracies get worse.

Yeah that makes sense. The NYT still hasn't called it either though. No idea what they are doing..


NYT doesn't have a decision desk that calls elections--they follow the calls made by AP and the big TV decision desks. They do review them, and may decline to follow a call if they're not convinced (such as in Arizona), but they won't call races themselves.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8080 Posts
November 06 2020 21:38 GMT
#4664
On November 07 2020 06:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 06:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:11 Nevuk wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:05 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's kind of weird that the election is not called already isn't it? I mean, how is Trump supposed to come back in PA?

It's been called by at least three outlets. Decision Desk, Vox, and Business Times have all called it for Biden. Not calling it is just journalistic malpractice by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, et al.

ABC has a long standing policy that they won't call an election that is <1% of the vote, which is the only reason I'm excluding them. The issue is that every second they delay calling it is one that lets these conspiracies get worse.

Yeah that makes sense. The NYT still hasn't called it either though. No idea what they are doing..


NYT doesn't have a decision desk that calls elections--they follow the calls made by AP and the big TV decision desks. They do review them, and may decline to follow a call if they're not convinced (such as in Arizona), but they won't call races themselves.

Oh! Interesting, I was actually wondering how it worked. Thanks man!
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 21:39:42
November 06 2020 21:38 GMT
#4665
Fun historical anecdote: McSally's back to back Senate runs in AZ appear to have turned both Senate seats from The Grand Canyon state blue for the first time since 1952. Great job! We need more Republicans like her.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 06 2020 21:46 GMT
#4666
McSally was such a gibbering buffoon during her debate with Kelly, I'm glad that seat is in sane hands
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
November 06 2020 21:47 GMT
#4667
On November 07 2020 05:53 Mohdoo wrote:
In case anyone is wondering how y'allqaeda is reacting to this, violence is openly thrown around

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I guarantee that mintscape is some white guy poser, what the literal fuck is he on about
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 06 2020 21:48 GMT
#4668
On November 07 2020 06:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:53 Mohdoo wrote:
In case anyone is wondering how y'allqaeda is reacting to this, violence is openly thrown around

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I guarantee that mintscape is some white guy poser, what the literal fuck is he on about

Yeah you see a lot of "former Muslim" and "former liberal" on those sites
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 06 2020 21:52 GMT
#4669
Politico still has AZ as a win for Biden hah
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 06 2020 21:54 GMT
#4670
On November 07 2020 05:08 IyMoon wrote:
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On November 07 2020 05:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On November 07 2020 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Looking at the results map, it seems Wyoming is by far the state with the highest % of Trump voters at 70.4%. Given that I know practically nothing about Wyoming (except that it looks like a amazingly beautiful place on an image search), why does this state lean particularly hard red?


Because there are probably more cattle than people in Wyoming.

It's so rural that the rural Trumper culture absolutely dominates. It's largest metro area is the size of a large suburb (i.e. a single city) in Minnesota, and Minnesota isn't even that populated.

It's hard for me to even comprehend an entire state that rural, and I grew up in a rural area.


The city I group in in CA has 1/5th the population of Wyomin. Its not a big city, its so small that nobody whos not from the south bay has ever heard of it


Was curious so I looked

31 cities in the USA have higher populations than Wyoming (578759).

Wyoming has a senator for ~289k people. That is a smaller population than 67 cities in the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 06 2020 21:57 GMT
#4671
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
November 06 2020 21:59 GMT
#4672
https://twitter.com/nprinskeep/status/1324826512768512000?s=21

Some explanation of AP’s reticence to call PA. Don’t know everybody else’s excuses though.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
November 06 2020 22:01 GMT
#4673
On November 07 2020 05:53 Mohdoo wrote:
In case anyone is wondering how y'allqaeda is reacting to this, violence is openly thrown around

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



Tsss, those democrats.

They loved when Bush invaded Irak and they loved it more when it cost a trillion dollar and destabilized the region and created ISIS.

Those bastards, not even greatful enough to let the republicans get a little presidential election for free.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 22:06:59
November 06 2020 22:06 GMT
#4674
On November 07 2020 06:59 ChristianS wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprinskeep/status/1324826512768512000?s=21

Some explanation of AP’s reticence to call PA. Don’t know everybody else’s excuses though.


They're covering their ass. The idea that PA "will be - or is likely to become - in range of a recount" is a smokescreen; the state should end up +70K Biden at least.

Also, they better uncall AZ then! Because the chances that ends up in recount range is way higher than PA.
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
November 06 2020 22:06 GMT
#4675
On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.

Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.

Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment).


CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore.


0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it.


Dude I literally watched them talking just that the other night with Chris Cuomo lol. They were discussing how shocked they were the elections were this close.
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1781 Posts
November 06 2020 22:07 GMT
#4676
Biden up 4k now in Georgia.

Biden 2,455,426 49.42%
Trump 2,451,191 49.34%
Leee Jaee Doong
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 06 2020 22:08 GMT
#4677
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1936 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 22:10:41
November 06 2020 22:09 GMT
#4678
On November 07 2020 06:59 ChristianS wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprinskeep/status/1324826512768512000?s=21

Some explanation of AP’s reticence to call PA. Don’t know everybody else’s excuses though.


I just read AP's own:

The Democrat opened a lead of more than 13,500 votes Friday afternoon over Trump, of more than 6.5 million votes cast — a lead of about 0.21%. State law dictates that a recount must be held if the margin between the two candidates is less than 0.5%. There are tens of thousands of votes left to count.

Additionally, there are potentially tens of thousands of provisional ballots that remain to be tabulated, though an exact number remained unclear. Those ballots will be counted after officials verify their eligibility to be included.


But yes, the way the counting has been trending still makes this awkward. They should ask themselves how Trump can possibly reclaim the lead with a 30%-41% trend.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-explain-pennsylvania-election-results-78db7d8f08455c619fc59e30092283f2

Buff the siegetank
Zerothegreat
Profile Joined September 2010
United States787 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 22:12:59
November 06 2020 22:11 GMT
#4679
On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.

Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.

Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment).


CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore.


0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it.


Here it is in another segment I found:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/black-voters-2020-election-donald-trump-white-nationalism/index.html

And here is another segment of CNN attacking voters:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185625550001#sp=show-clips

It is bias as can be. And the fact you say it is mostly true means you should explain how you draw that conclusion? The leader of Proud Boys is not white. Trump made waves with more minority voters than any Republican in decades. So you need to provide evidence not wild accusations.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 06 2020 22:16 GMT
#4680
On November 07 2020 07:11 Zerothegreat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:21 Zerothegreat wrote:
On November 07 2020 06:10 pmh wrote:
I dont think objective journalism is dead but its harder to find.

Cnn i do like but i guess that is more based on the fact that i have been watching them for over 20 years now. I dont like the way they where in the past 4 years bar a small amount of exceptions like Blitzer and King.
Their constant bashing of Trump on any possible subject did annoy me a lot actually but looking back maybe they thought it was "needed" as a counterweight to Fox.
The media landscape in the usa is somewhat different from the media landscape in northern europe where we have things like BBC (uk),"vpro" (the netherlands) and "canvas" (belgium) (these i watch most but there is more) which have very nuanced vieuws and reporting.
ABC which i did discover during this election is quiet decent though.

Speaking about Fox. Going to watch "the loudest voice" which is on in a few minutes. For those who want to understand how some of the USA media is working on the inside this show is definitely worth watching (and its very good in general,also when vieuwed only for entertainment).


CNN lost me when they kept claiming "Facts First." While their hosts also called every Trump voter a racist without evidence. The word racist gets thrown in every argument left leaning media disagrees with. The word doesn't even mean anything anymore.


0% chance that CNN said every Trump voter is racist. It's mostly true, but they would never say it.


Here it is in another segment I found:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/black-voters-2020-election-donald-trump-white-nationalism/index.html

And here is another segment of CNN attacking voters:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185625550001#sp=show-clips

It is bias as can be. And the fact you say it is mostly true means you should explain how you draw that conclusion? The leader of Proud Boys is not white. Trump made waves with more minority voters than any Republican in decades. So you need to provide evidence not wild accusations.


The leader is white, the "current" leader is a poster boy for the hispanic communities.
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