EPTIs it anything in this? It seems like a lot of hot air about rigged elections and vote fraud coming from them so far, so I have serious doubts about how they stand up in court.
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Slydie
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Is it anything in this? It seems like a lot of hot air about rigged elections and vote fraud coming from them so far, so I have serious doubts about how they stand up in court. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:07 StasisField wrote: Yeah I think Trump easily wins 2020 if not for covid. Defeating an incumbent president is incredibly rare in the US. Biden had the perfect storm of events to help him win and he's still barely looking like he will. As cynical and depraved as it sounds, I agree that COVID was really good for Biden politically. It may have shifted just enough voters in the Rust Belt to save him. And yeah, you're right that toppling an incumbent in today's political environment is still an impressive achievement. The last one-termer was H.W. Bush for reference. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1090 Posts
Like, the democrats could do it in 2022 primaries if there's enough party pressure to do it. Get rid of those god awful caucuses and maybe get better candidates without worrying about electability. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:12 sharkie wrote: Whats with this myth that covid lost trump the election? Covid has been horrible all over the world. It's not just Trump who has failed against it and in Europe the ruling parties gained votes in elections during covid Trump's polling numbers tracked with COVID outbreaks decently well. While the polls were off, I'm not sure there's a reason to believe *trends* in the polls were off, and Michigan and Wisconsin are currently facing disastrous spreads of the disease with Trump providing no relief whatsoever. I cannot help but feel that could change the vote of ~10K people. On November 05 2020 06:12 Slydie wrote: A friend of mine is convinced that the inevitable legal steps the Trump campaign will take will be enough to overturn the result. Is it anything in this? It seems like a lot of hot air about rigged elections and vote fraud coming from them so far, so I have serious doubts about how they stand up in court. It seems extremely unlikely. The only strategy I could see having a chance is faithless electors. There just aren't large enough vote margins* for anything like Bush v Gore to happen in enough states to win him the day. By now he would have signaled about specific legal issues, it's not like his lawyers haven't been thinking about this. *pending AZ and NV results* | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:12 sharkie wrote: Whats with this myth that covid lost trump the election? Covid has been horrible all over the world. It's not just Trump who has failed against it and in Europe the ruling parties gained votes in elections during covid We're saying if covid didn't exist at all, Trump wins. I know that my family would've still voted for Trump, and many other families would have done the same in the swing states. And if his covid response was better, same thing would happen, many families would still want to support trump. COVID has been bad, but look at the countries that have done amazing like those eastern and south eastern asian countries, new zealand, australia. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:12 Slydie wrote: A friend of mine is convinced that the inevitable legal steps the Trump campaign will take will be enough to overturn the result. Is it anything in this? It seems like a lot of hot air about rigged elections and vote fraud coming from them so far, so I have serious doubts about how they stand up in court. I mean it shouldn't have any legal grounds in court. But that being said, we do have a 6-3 Court with really really partisan judges. I do expect Roberts to obvious rule against Trump, but we just need to see if Thomas, Alito will join him. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:15 Pr0wler wrote: Biden just declared victory prematurely... Someone outraged ? Theoretical victory not a confirmed victory. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45937 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:15 Pr0wler wrote: Biden just declared victory prematurely... Someone outraged ? It's not premature. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I wonder how mad it makes Trump that he's going to lose the popular vote by over 3 million votes. | ||
KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:15 Pr0wler wrote: Biden just declared victory prematurely... Someone outraged ? They counted the votes. Do you not see how it’s different to declare before vs after? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:15 FlaShFTW wrote: We're saying if covid didn't exist at all, Trump wins. I know that my family would've still voted for Trump, and many other families would have done the same in the swing states. And if his covid response was better, same thing would happen, many families would still want to support trump. COVID has been bad, but look at the countries that have done amazing like those eastern and south eastern asian countries, new zealand, australia. Because those countries have people who follow rules like you are supposed to. Europeans and US not so much. But covid isnt the topic of this thread so I will stop talking about it | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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THere will be second counting in WI, too. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:19 Pr0wler wrote: There are still NV, AZ, PA, NC, GA still not decided... You just can't stop building your narative, do you ? AP already called Arizona, Nevada only has blue votes left. Even if Biden loses PA, NC, GA, he has exactly 270. It's not a narrative. I personally don't think that Arizona can be called right now with the margin shrinking but it's not entirely premature when AP, a very conservative calling station, has called Arizona. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:19 Pr0wler wrote: There are still NV, AZ, PA, NC, GA still not decided... You just can't stop building your narative, do you ? THere will be second counting in WI, too. WI is locked. There's no way a recount there turns up 10K Trump votes. It would be the most impactful recount in the history of the United States by a factor of more than 10. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:19 Pr0wler wrote: THere will be second counting in WI, too. My guy there has never been a recount with over .5% difference that has ever made a difference. Trump only got 100 votes more in the 2016 Wisconsin recount. You think 20k votes are gonna get flipped? Jesus. Who's the narrative guy now? | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 05 2020 06:19 Pr0wler wrote: There are still NV, AZ, PA, NC, GA still not decided... You just can't stop building your narative, do you ? THere will be second counting in WI, too. And Biden leads in 2 of those states with only early and mail-in ballots to go for all of those states, and Biden's numbers are exceptional with early and mail-in ballot voters. If you really think a recount is going to change 21,000+ votes then I don't know what to say lol | ||
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Slydie
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On November 05 2020 06:19 sharkie wrote: Because those countries have people who follow rules like you are supposed to. Europeans and US not so much. But covid isnt the topic of this thread so I will stop talking about it This is not the Covid thread, but it is much more complex than that. Having worked for as free movement of people as possible in Europe for decades did not help, for example. Asians have more experience dealing with pandemics, and being an island makes it a lot easier | ||
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