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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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m4ini
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Also, as seen in Spain, having more parties is so different it needs to be learned. Gridlocks which are unable to even form a government is pretty common, and giving huge concessions to small special interest parties is just a part of the game. That's what makes it work though. Not everyone gets everything that they want, but most get something they can agree with in a coalition. Sometimes you even get liberal/progressive outcomes with a conservative party (like the CDU/conservatives in germany allowing a free vote on same sex marriage). I'm not saying there are no flaws, there certainly are. But the benefits so far outweigh the flaws by magnitudes so far. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Introvert
United States5065 Posts
If Trump loses, it's all on him. The path forward for the party seems clear, even if it will be a delicate balance for keeping the rural areas blood red and the suburbs purplish. Happy that the worst predictions from both 2016 and 2020 appear to be untrue. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Brooks brothers riot ala 2000 vibes. Also if they stop counting now Biden wins. https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778 I don't think it's gonna get better from here on out either. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:37 m4ini wrote: That's what makes it work though. Not everyone gets everything that they want, but most get something they can agree with in a coalition. Sometimes you even get liberal/progressive outcomes with a conservative party (like the CDU/conservatives in germany allowing a free vote on same sex marriage). I'm not saying there are no flaws, there certainly are. But the benefits so far outweigh the flaws by magnitudes so far. This. Parties cannot become as hostile to each other and rhetorics won't get as inflammatory when you know that in the election cycle you may cooperate with whoever is on the other side of the opposition-government divide. FPTP and resulting two-party system removes all incentives to cooperation (but should theoretically push both parties to the centre, which I feel was more true in the pre-Trump US) | ||
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sharkie
Austria18764 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18764 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Brooks brothers riot ala 2000 vibes. Also if they stop counting now Biden wins. https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778 That is large...? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
-COVID wasn't as big of an issue as Democrats projected. Re-opening economy, social and moral issues like abortion, fears about social unrest and rioting, the strength of Trump support and the spectre of socialism on Democrats maybe surpassed concerns about the pandemic. -Democrats continue to face a critical rural vote problem. They need to make inroads outside of urban centres and suburban areas if they want safer victories. -Florida and Ohio don't appear to be promising swing states for Democrats anymore. They're getting distinctly Trumpier and I don't see that changing anytime soon. -The Sun Belt pivot from Democrats has to succeed because anointing a candidate who was sold on having the best bona fides with the Rust Belt just barely pulled it off it seems. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Brooks brothers riot ala 2000 vibes. Also if they stop counting now Biden wins. https://twitter.com/PattersonNBC/status/1324086177885003778 Election tampering or intimidation charges. Throw them all in jail. Fuck off. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:42 PhoenixVoid wrote: Some various thoughts I have about the election so far. These will probably will be wrong as more information comes in or smarter people correct me, but based on what I'm seeing... -COVID wasn't as big of an issue as Democrats projected. Re-opening economy, social and moral issues like abortion, fears about social unrest and rioting, the strength of Trump support and the spectre of socialism on Democrats maybe surpassed concerns about the pandemic. -Democrats continue to face a critical rural vote problem. They need to make inroads outside of urban centres and suburban areas if they want safer victories. -Florida and Ohio don't appear to be promising swing states for Democrats anymore. They're getting distinctly Trumpier and I don't see that changing anytime soon. -The Sun Belt pivot from Democrats has to succeed because anointing a candidate who was sold on having the best bona fides with the Rust Belt just barely pulled it off it seems. I dunno. I think COVID was huge. Without it I don't think Democrats carry Wisconsin or Michigan, and they're both virtual locks at this point (especially if Trump stops the Michigan count LOL). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46590 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So apparently the Trump camp is thinking if they declare victory in a state everything stops. Which is not how it works, and Biden is ahead in PA. Also GA is apparently in play. Source? I thought Biden still had to catch up? | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On November 05 2020 04:58 Shingi11 wrote: Progressives have shown they will bleed out on there own sword if they don't get what they want. Not to say it is all there fault. While they are still in the minority of the dems, moderates need to not just ignore them. They have enough of a voice that it needs to start being heard. I don't think this is a fair characterization of progressives this election. It looks like it may have been 120 years since our turnout was this high, and back then 18 year olds weren't even allowed to vote. People of all stripes showed up. I don't think the close election was because progressives didn't support Biden. It's because a whole lot of people, whose votes are given more weight due to the electoral college, are truly passionate about Trump. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Source? I thought Biden still had to catch up? I think it depends on how you define ahead. In raw vote counts, Trump is up, but the mail ballots currently being counted in PA appear to be more than enough for Biden to end up on top. This is reinforced by the numbers in counties that have finished counting both absentee/early votes and in-person votes. Basically, the impression I get from the stats people looking at PA is that Trump needs something to change to win the state, so in that sense he's behind. On November 05 2020 05:59 FlaShFTW wrote: Michigan just reported another % from Wayne county, Biden now up 60k votes with more Dem early votes to be counted. Michigan should be called at this point imo. It's honestly irresponsible not to call it unless an organization's guidelines forbid calling a state with <1% margins. There's just no chance the votes are there for Trump. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10584 Posts
On November 05 2020 05:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Source? I thought Biden still had to catch up? Yeah this is all theoretical, but based upon the math and the current voting, with all the EVs coming, Philadelphia county is expected to yield another 100-150k votes for Biden if not more, Monroe, Cumberland are both heavily in the Trump column but EVs should narrow that lead just like Kenosha in Wisconsin. That's another 30-50k votes that Biden will pick up. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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