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Mike Morhaime founds new gaming company

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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 23 2020 12:44 GMT
#1
Mike Morhaime, together with a number of other ex-Blizzard people, have founded a new gaming company called Dreamhaven:



From Gamesindustry:

Former Blizzard president Mike Morhaime has partnered with a number of other Blizzard Entertainment veterans to form a new games company: Dreamhaven.

Dreamhaven will serve as a parent company providing publishing and other support services to its internal game development studios, beginning with two new ones founded alongside the company called Moonshot and Secret Door.

Moonshot is led by former Blizzard executive producer Jason Chayes, former StarCraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm game director Dustin Browder, and former Hearthstone creative director Ben Thompson.

Meanwhile, Secret Door is being led by former Hearthstone executive producer Chris Sigaty, former Hearthstone game director Eric Dodds, and former Blizzard technical director and game director Alan Dabiri.


Here's an interview with Morhaime.

Here's another interview with Morhaime.

The future is looking bright:

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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 23 2020 12:53 GMT
#2
A true whos who of "true" Blizzard. Super excited for their first game in 2055 in Blizzard fashion
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 12:57:57
September 23 2020 12:57 GMT
#3
"Proteans and Xarg" ahah when I first read that quote it seemed it was from MM but now I see its just a random tweet xD

Hope they get back the mojo Blizzard lost!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
September 23 2020 13:35 GMT
#4
That's gotta be the biggest middle finger to Bobby Kotick and Activision, love it! Well played Mike!
I've always had a suspicion he left Blizzard, because he couldn't stand how Activision slowly but surely squashed the love for great games, just to squeeze more profit out of the Blizzard gaming mill.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 13:42:31
September 23 2020 13:39 GMT
#5
On September 23 2020 22:35 thePunGun wrote:
That's gotta be the biggest middle finger to Bobby Kotick and Activision, love it! Well played Mike!
I've always had a suspicion he left Blizzard, because he couldn't stand how Activision slowly but surely squashed the love for great games, just to squeeze more profit out of the Blizzard gaming mill.


According to the language in this article, it really does seem like he's all but confirmed the rumors for why he left. https://venturebeat.com/2020/09/23/blizzard-cofounder-mike-morhaime-launches-new-gaming-endeavor-dreamhaven/

“We’re almost trying to create a haven for creators who want an environment that is development friendly, values product, and player experience over short-term financial pressures,” Morhaime said. “We believe in the power of gaming to bring people together and as an escape of the unpleasant things that reality can bring. In that sense, it’s a haven as well. We like the imagery of a lighthouse as a beacon, and that inspires us because we hope that Dreamhaven can be a beacon of hope to others in the industry who share our values and philosophies. There is a better way of approaching business and game creation that can work and be sustainable and be a lot of fun and yield positive results.”


That seems to me to be PRETTY specifically targetting what Activision has done to Blizzard, and then saying "we're not going to do that."
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4731 Posts
September 23 2020 13:43 GMT
#6
Sounds promising. Lets see what they will bring.
Pathetic Greta hater.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 23 2020 14:07 GMT
#7
Worth pointing out that Morhaime is not starting a new Blizzard, he's making a new Activision. The two studios are the new Blizzard(s).
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 23 2020 14:46 GMT
#8
Holy, so that's where parts of the former talent of Blizzard has gone to. Looking forward to see what they will release.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
September 23 2020 15:06 GMT
#9
Awesome, tempted to buy their games on principle alone haha
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16767 Posts
September 23 2020 15:19 GMT
#10
so much for all those crazy unsubstantiated theories that Blizzard hated the job Browder did on SC2. Browder got promoted to VP and Morhaime brought him into his new company. It is clear Morhaime thinks highly of Browder.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44598 Posts
September 23 2020 16:20 GMT
#11
Definitely gonna follow the games they end up creating!
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16767 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 16:31:26
September 23 2020 16:21 GMT
#12
On September 23 2020 22:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2020 22:35 thePunGun wrote:
That's gotta be the biggest middle finger to Bobby Kotick and Activision, love it! Well played Mike!
I've always had a suspicion he left Blizzard, because he couldn't stand how Activision slowly but surely squashed the love for great games, just to squeeze more profit out of the Blizzard gaming mill.


According to the language in this article, it really does seem like he's all but confirmed the rumors for why he left. https://venturebeat.com/2020/09/23/blizzard-cofounder-mike-morhaime-launches-new-gaming-endeavor-dreamhaven/

Show nested quote +
“We’re almost trying to create a haven for creators who want an environment that is development friendly, values product, and player experience over short-term financial pressures,” Morhaime said. “We believe in the power of gaming to bring people together and as an escape of the unpleasant things that reality can bring. In that sense, it’s a haven as well. We like the imagery of a lighthouse as a beacon, and that inspires us because we hope that Dreamhaven can be a beacon of hope to others in the industry who share our values and philosophies. There is a better way of approaching business and game creation that can work and be sustainable and be a lot of fun and yield positive results.”


That seems to me to be PRETTY specifically targetting what Activision has done to Blizzard, and then saying "we're not going to do that."

this is just buying into the simplistic "good cop // bad cop" narrative that publishers want consumers to believe.

its not much different from a front line level employee who has an assistant manager who they have direct contact with every day. The front line employee and assistant manager also work together onthe front lines frequently every week while the assistant managers acts like the "good cop" and pretends to be on the employee's side. Meanwhile, the "owner" or "ceo" or "general manager" is the "bad cop". In private meetings away from the front lines ...the CEO and Assistant manager both work together for the good of the company ... not the employee. The whole "good cop // bad cop" routine.. is all BS.

Activision wants you to believe that the dev studio is the "try hard little guy" that is "on your side". It is BS.

Bobby Kotick wants to be seen as "the bad cop". He is quoted as saying he "wants to take the fun out of making video games". Kotick took a part in a major hollywood movie where he is the total prick owner limiting the creative vision of an artistic genius. Again, Kotick wants to be seen as teh "bad cop". Its all a bullshit act designed to push an oversimplified narrative.

Bungie left Activision and the price of Destiny2 expansions went up. So leaving Activision is not all sunshine and rainbows.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7340 Posts
September 23 2020 16:29 GMT
#13
We have as close to direct contact with modern Blizzard staff *cough Jay Allen Brack cough* and I think most people agree he says slimy corporate fuckstickery.

I have SO MUCH MORE faith in a company that Mike Morhaime is actually in control of to treat their employees better and to make better games than I do in a company like Activision that doesnt give a flying fuck about either aforementioned things.

Big companies are 100% bad cops, and we shouldn't ever pretend like they'll ever do more than pretend they have anything other than an interest in short term consumer milking at all costs.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16767 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 16:43:07
September 23 2020 16:33 GMT
#14
Morhaime being rid of ATVI does not guarantee the success of his new studio. It will add a whole bunch of headaches to his day that he was able to avoid under ATVI. Morhaime is an electrical engineer//computer science guy.. he is not an accounting//law//economics guy. ATVI took away all kinds of headaches and issues from Blizzard and Morhaime.

Kotick took Activision from nothing in 1991 to the acquisition of Blizzard in 2008. His business acumen should not be underestimated.

On September 24 2020 01:29 Zambrah wrote:
Big companies are 100% bad cops, and we shouldn't ever pretend like they'll ever do more than pretend they have anything other than an interest in short term consumer milking at all costs.

meh, Kotick wants to be seen as the "bad cop" so that the Dev Studios can be easily forgiven for their fuck ups.

This is a guy who wants you to hate him.


You're getting played man. Bobby Kotick is a master of image manipulation. You are only seeing what he wants you to see. Put in terms of playing poker: Kotick is brilliant at managing his "table image".
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7340 Posts
September 23 2020 16:44 GMT
#15
Dev teams wouldnt fuck up so much if they weren't made to work way too long hours to hit asinine deadlines.

Dev teams fuck up because the people above them are piss poor management jackasses.

And I dont think Kotick likes being seen as evil, he has specifically asked people to stop drawing devil horns on him because its fucking up his dating life (HA. https://kotaku.com/please-quit-photoshopping-horns-onto-bobby-kotick-its-5968843)

Business acumen means fuck all when it comes to games. The more "business acumen" you see in games the more shady awful monetization you see, the less quality games you see, "business acumen" doesn't mean anything when it comes to treating employees well and making quality products.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16767 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 17:19:47
September 23 2020 17:07 GMT
#16
On September 24 2020 01:44 Zambrah wrote:
Dev teams wouldnt fuck up so much if they weren't made to work way too long hours to hit asinine deadlines.

before ATVI , Blizzard had all kinds of crazy messed up deadlines and processes. Its part of what inspired the name "Blizzard" because the place was total chaos.

i seem to recall Bob Fitch getting locked in a room for 6 weeks to build the engine for SC1. Software projects go awry all the time. My best customer has a service called "Project Rescue". She sends me on these crazy assignments working on projects that have failed 3+ times and have been going on for 5+ years. That is the way the entire industry is. Its not like video games are some special case.



"we were no where near the home stretch". crunch lasted 8 months.

I love doing the hermit coder 24/7 thing. its a blast. its also clear Bob Fitch loved it as well. When the project is a success... you gain legend status.

In conclusion, Blizzard had all kinds of issues before ATVI took over. Bungie also jettisoned ATVI and kept their Destiny franchise. Has Destiny2 gotten much better without ATVI? I'd say its a little bit better. But its not some dramatic night-and-day improvement.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
September 23 2020 17:33 GMT
#17
Mike Morhaime is the man.

He is so passionate, and helped StarCraft 2 so much. Whatever he does I will follow closely. Would love to meet the man.


Blizzard was always a great company, with some clear flaws. But it seems to me that Titan killed Blizzard. After it's failure, even though they salvaged Overwatch, the company never recovered and it seems Kotick ended up pushing everyone out.

I look forward to the games they'll create.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 17:42:07
September 23 2020 17:40 GMT
#18
Lots of RTS talent in these studios and Mike Morhaime is a big fan of the genre. This could be the beginning of a new chapter for RTS! They're willing to take more risks, which could involve making RTS when it's not "in season" and being more experimental with the formula.

I hope they can set an industry example for putting quality games first. I'm super excited to see where this goes.
I think esports is pretty nice.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-23 18:40:45
September 23 2020 18:29 GMT
#19
On September 24 2020 01:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Morhaime being rid of ATVI does not guarantee the success of his new studio. It will add a whole bunch of headaches to his day that he was able to avoid under ATVI. Morhaime is an electrical engineer//computer science guy.. he is not an accounting//law//economics guy. ATVI took away all kinds of headaches and issues from Blizzard and Morhaime.

Kotick took Activision from nothing in 1991 to the acquisition of Blizzard in 2008. His business acumen should not be underestimated.

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You're getting played man. Bobby Kotick is a master of image manipulation. You are only seeing what he wants you to see. Put in terms of playing poker: Kotick is brilliant at managing his "table image".


Kotick is a cancer in this industry, this guy has done nothing for gaming as a whole for the last 15 years than leech the money out of the playerbase of ATVI's big gaming franchises.
How can you justify his 10 million slarary increase each year for the last 2 freakin years? This guy does NOT deserve a f****in salary of 40 million dollars. All the while you hear reports of Blizzard employees being underpaid and some can't even afford the coffee in the company cafeteria, let alone their own apartment.
I know I'm repeating myself here, but this guy is a fuckin leech he made 40 million and also fired 800+ people (who actually contributed to creating the games we once loved) the same year. That's a guy, who has no shame and no moral compass!
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
September 23 2020 18:31 GMT
#20
This is so weird for me i thought he was retiring from Blizzard? So i assume he was either forced out or he genuinely quit himself? Doesn't scream good news for Blizzard this, not from a competition point of view but more so due to if Mike bailed on Blzzard to set up a gaming company so quickly, he must hate the direction and underlying issues in Blizzard right now, ouch!
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