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heythereguys
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
On March 31 2020 20:03 SC-Shield wrote: Yep, confirmed. He's withdrawn his order, so masks aren't mandatory anymore. What a clown. If WHO (World Health Organisation) says masks aren't necessary for healthy people, that has to mean something. Source: The Guardian They say it's necessary if you have contact with an infected person, but why make masks mandatory in all cases? It's insane. There have to be more specific conditions. How can you know you are in contact with an infected person, when the infected persons don't show symptoms for several days? Making it mandatory might be overkill, but I'd surely recommend wearing them. I can't understand the WHO on this topic. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria836 Posts
On March 31 2020 20:42 Laurens wrote: How can you know you are in contact with an infected person, when the infected persons don't show symptoms for several days? Making it mandatory might be overkill, but I'd surely recommend wearing them. I can't understand the WHO on this topic. Ok, but WHO is a serious organisation, probably international too. If they wanted to lie about masks, wouldn't they be caught immediately? Isn't it simpler to say "wear scarves" than to lie about masks in order to have enough for medical staff? | ||
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heythereguys
7 Posts
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18194 Posts
On March 31 2020 20:53 farvacola wrote: Don't click on any of that guy's spoilers, the mods are asleep at the wheel. Unless you want to see tubgirl. The shock value of that pic expired in the 90s. It's still disgusting, but well... not shocking anymore. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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SystemHydra
5 Posts
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Yurie
12006 Posts
On March 31 2020 16:51 deacon.frost wrote: Maybe I am retarded as well, but I thought the biggest issue of corona is 1) not enough testing capacities(aka you don't know you're sick) 2) you're spreading the infection BEFORE you have the symptoms it would be nice to explain this to stupid common people because right now this seems like a wrong decision. I believe there's a great scientific reason, but it's nowhere mentioned and to me this seems like a bad decision. My understanding was that it doesn't spread before symptoms. Only that symptoms are very mild (close to 0) for a lot of people, making them not realise they are in that phase. They also are spreading less of the virus than somebody with worse symptoms but less is enough in a lot of cases. So everybody spreading it goes through the infected, get worse, start spreading it (here cough, fevers and so on are common). Get worse (pneumonia or similar with up to 6 weeks until cured) or better (2-3 weeks) from the start and at some point end up in the non-infected group and no longer spread the disease. I am in the "Wait at least two days after getting well before you go back to work or school." phase currently. Due to limited testing it might have been the normal flu or something else. Can the virus be transmitted during the incubation period? Available data shows that the coronavirus spreads when patients are ill with symptoms and around the time of falling ill. From what we know now, transmission does not seem to occur during the incubation period, i.e. the time between contracting the virus and developing symptoms. Those that have been exposed to COVID-19 should pay attention to any early signs of illness. Our stance is based on the following: There are robust scientific studies from the coronavirus that cause the disease SARS, which spread around the world in 2003. Evaluations of that outbreak show that the SARS-coronavirus does not transmit at all during the incubation period. Among all currently known viral diseases, transmission during the incubation period is very uncommon. Many viruses spread around the time that a patient develops symptoms. There is reason to believe that this applies also to this new coronavirus. Many cases of the ongoing outbreak have been identified, but none of them have confirmed transmission during the incubation period. Our knowledge about the new coronavirus increases every day and we monitor the development closely. Our assessments are based on the latest available credible data, and any changes to our current advice will be communicated widely. The Public Health Agency of Sweden collaborates with the WHO on these issues. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On a different note, moving to a new residence hall was a shitshow as expected of an emergency procedure, but my new room that was originally for two people allowed me to mash the beds together! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545432246392324107/693703440391471114/IMG_20200329_010930.jpg) Just trying to find a bright side. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 31 2020 20:42 Laurens wrote: How can you know you are in contact with an infected person, when the infected persons don't show symptoms for several days? Making it mandatory might be overkill, but I'd surely recommend wearing them. I can't understand the WHO on this topic. From what I understand, WHO's arguments against masks for the uninfected are 1) the masks that most people have access to are not N95s, which are the masks that actually help you not get infected, 2) putting on and taking off a mask immediately after being in public means touching your face and the mask, which can potentially spread droplets, and 3) average citizens wearing N95s takes them out of circulation for healthcare providers in a time when they are literally having to invent new ways to sterilize N95s because they are in such short supply. It's different for the infected-if you have a hacking cough of course having even a scarf over your mouth will reduce the spread-but honestly I think there's a good chance of policies re: public masks giving a lot of people a very incorrect impression that wearing a normal surgical mask or homemade covering will actually do something to prevent you from becoming infected. While I'm normally big on leveraging the placebo effect for public health, this is one of those times where it won't do much of anything. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
And the thing is, you have to wash it every time after you wear it. And not infect yourself or other surfaces in the process. Or discard it in case of single use masks. Every time. Otherwise it's just a vector for covid. Every time. So, just stay home as much as you can. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 31 2020 22:29 TheTenthDoc wrote: From what I understand, WHO's arguments against masks for the uninfected are 1) the masks that most people have access to are not N95s, which are the masks that actually help you not get infected, 2) putting on and taking off a mask immediately after being in public means touching your face and the mask, which can potentially spread droplets, and 3) average citizens wearing N95s takes them out of circulation for healthcare providers in a time when they are literally having to invent new ways to sterilize N95s because they are in such short supply. It's different for the infected-if you have a hacking cough of course having even a scarf over your mouth will reduce the spread-but honestly I think there's a good chance of policies re: public masks giving a lot of people a very incorrect impression that wearing a normal surgical mask or homemade covering will actually do something to prevent you from becoming infected. While I'm normally big on leveraging the placebo effect for public health, this is one of those times where it won't do much of anything. Yeah, but they don't say "we're against against citizens using N95", they say "common folk shouldn't use any mask at all", the most ordinary masks don't protect the wearer from the virus, but protect everyone else from the person as it should stop roughly 80 % of the droplets, shouldn't it? At least that's what our government is saying - ordinary mask/materials don't protect you, they protect others from you in case you're infected and you don't know about it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16024 Posts
On March 31 2020 19:22 r00ty wrote: We have a dictatorship in the EU, because of the pandemic. Hungarian parliament abandondend the constitutional state for the time being. Orban is in total control. I'm quite sure the EU will change a lot, or might not survive this. I think a restart with less countries and new rules would be a good thing. First city in Germany (Jena) is making masks mandatory in public places in a couple of days. yeah no idea where I should get a mask from. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1661 Posts
On March 31 2020 20:40 stilt wrote: Macron who is speaking about unity and now national sovereignity, what a joke, all his policies since 2017 have reduced it and the massive penuries are not an excuse, there are the results of the relocation and externalisation. That is even more ridiculous taking in account that many others have been saying it for years. He knows he is fucked and can't continue to promote the same bullshit because if he does it's an open highway for Marine LePen presidency which shows how pathetic that man is. He is clearly not involved and has no conviction aside of being central bankers's whore. User was warned for this post. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On March 31 2020 22:39 Artisreal wrote: The RKI president said that a cover is better than no cover - IF you don't fiddle in your face a lot due to it. And IF it doesn't fully moisturise. But it's most effective in supressing the spread of infected, less so the protection of the healthy. And the thing is, you have to wash it every time after you wear it. And not infect yourself or other surfaces in the process. Or discard it in case of single use masks. Every time. Otherwise it's just a vector for covid. Every time. So, just stay home as much as you can. Honestly I can't listen to Mr. Wieler any longer. Incomplete numbers, dragging reports, almost as little expertise as every other so called "expert" out there and yet his institution seems to change it's opinion and forecasts on a daily basis. Doing nothing but giving the media even more food to spread insecurities and panic. Just lay off the gas pedal, at least a little. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 01 2020 00:37 Charoisaur wrote: yeah no idea where I should get a mask from. COnsidering there's no way to buy them and you have to wear them in the Czech Republic - have you ever seen Generation Kill?  You want logistics? Join the army, marines make do In other words - people are sowing their own masks. Does it have any protection from corona? most probably not. Does it offer some protection to others? probably yes.Here are some videos about making your own mask to satisfy the legislation: Again, nowhere is written they protect you. The videos are in Czech(obviously), but maybe you can get it from the pictures itself. https://www.irozhlas.cz/zivotni-styl/spolecnost/jak-si-usit-rousky-navod-na-rousky-rouska-z-tricka-cesko-siti-koronavirus_2003171316_dok FYI - these masks are sent even into hospitals, that's how much we need this shit(and medicin workers wear them as they have nothing else) + Show Spoiler + one of the examples: | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
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