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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4438 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 12 2022 20:20 Symplectos wrote: Other common illnesses, such as Hepatitis, Diphteria, Tetanus, Polio, Pneumos, Measles, Mumps or even Influenza? we've been down that road a page or three ago. Facts don't matter to some people's feelings. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
On August 12 2022 21:54 Artisreal wrote: we've been down that road a page or three ago. Facts don't matter to some people's feelings. the "I don't associate with high-risk individuals" line was pretty wild too. I know for a fact that they had to have gotten a host of vaccines for those things to go to public school. Public school that they were supposed to be taught how probabilities work. I see a bunch of people who say that should be able to drive drunk and not wear seat belts so its just understandable that basic logic just isn't there for a lot of people. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:22 Sermokala wrote: the "I don't associate with high-risk individuals" line was pretty wild too. I know for a fact that they had to have gotten a host of vaccines for those things to go to public school. Public school that they were supposed to be taught how probabilities work. I see a bunch of people who say that should be able to drive drunk and not wear seat belts so its just understandable that basic logic just isn't there for a lot of people. 15ish years ago, when I was caught cycling over a red light at night without lights on and with in ear headphones, the cop, aghast, said I should think about the person who runs me over and has to live with that the rest of their life. That stuck with me hard. Seems a lot of people are in dire need of such an epiphany. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:22 Sermokala wrote: the "I don't associate with high-risk individuals" line was pretty wild too. I know for a fact that they had to have gotten a host of vaccines for those things to go to public school. Public school that they were supposed to be taught how probabilities work. I see a bunch of people who say that should be able to drive drunk and not wear seat belts so its just understandable that basic logic just isn't there for a lot of people. What is it about that line that sticks with you? The only person(s) I can identify as "high risk" (elderly, lung issues, cardiovascular issues, overweight, immunocompromised, etc.) I will either not be around, or use a mask if they would prefer. No problem by me. That's 2 or 3 people; I live in a town of about 1500 residents. Other common illnesses, such as Hepatitis, Diphteria, Tetanus, Polio, Pneumos, Measles, Mumps or even Influenza? You bring up a good point: I have already been vaccinated against these things, it isn't really my choice anymore, is it? It's almost like I'd rather just get the flu and deal with it [never taken a flu vaccine either, much before covid made an appearance.] There are quite a few decisions that were made at birth without my consent, such as cutting my foreskin off. I disagree with the practice but hey, it's over and done with, isn't it? Also, let us not assume that every vaccine is equal. If tens, hundreds, however many years have shown an effectiveness (and equally reported side effects) then I'm sure to believe in its ability to actually do something. I understand this is a very pro-vaccine forum but not everybody who is resistant to putting it in their body is just "fuck this it ain't even a real thing"-mode. Some people would rather have the freedom to make their own mistakes, if it turns out to be that. I will die in my home, don't worry about hospital overload  No need to be hateful, I'm not injuring you or your communities (nor mine,) I just happen to disagree with a lot of you. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Symplectos
Luxembourg42 Posts
I am a mathematician / scientist, and while I can understand the general idea behind the following quote, it is very tiring to keep hearing such, in my eyes, outdated views. If tens, hundreds, however many years have shown an effectiveness (and equally reported side effects) then I'm sure to believe in its ability to actually do something. Just as technology has made unbelievable progress in the last decades, mathematical theories and methodologies have been introduced into biology and medicine, enabling the analytic modelling of different scenarios without having to gather decades of data. There is no need to "believe". Also, just as a note, getting a vaccine as a child, versus cutting off foreskin, are two very different things. The former is a practice to save life, based on scientific principles, whereas the latter is, in most cases, a barbaric process based on religious beliefs. And yet, so many people put beliefs above scientific progress. I understand this is a very pro-vaccine forum [...] I just happen to disagree with a lot of you. What I am saying now is probably due to mathematical training, but sometimes there simply is no "disagreeing". For me, it is also not about being pro-vaccine, but the acceptance of the scientific method in general. Considering what is written in this thread, but also in the political threads, Sagan was probably right: We live in a "Demon-Haunted World". The above mentioned despair comes from the fact that currently a bad job is being done to overcome those demons. Some people would rather have the freedom to make their own mistakes, if it turns out to be that. I fully support that sentiment, it just irks the mathematician inside of me, and this is not directed at the quoted post directly, when the actions that lead to mistakes are defended with irrational arguments or unscientific methods. And just to be sure, I have made tons of mistakes, and tried to rationalize them. Knowing does not always help preventing mistakes, unfortunately. Experiencing something first-hand always seems to be a better lesson than reading something in a book, or an abstract reasoning. With my health, or my life, however, I personally prefer not to gamble. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
On August 15 2022 07:52 NrG.Bamboo wrote: What is it about that line that sticks with you? The only person(s) I can identify as "high risk" (elderly, lung issues, cardiovascular issues, overweight, immunocompromised, etc.) I will either not be around, or use a mask if they would prefer. No problem by me. That's 2 or 3 people; I live in a town of about 1500 residents. You bring up a good point: I have already been vaccinated against these things, it isn't really my choice anymore, is it? It's almost like I'd rather just get the flu and deal with it [never taken a flu vaccine either, much before covid made an appearance.] There are quite a few decisions that were made at birth without my consent, such as cutting my foreskin off. I disagree with the practice but hey, it's over and done with, isn't it? Also, let us not assume that every vaccine is equal. If tens, hundreds, however many years have shown an effectiveness (and equally reported side effects) then I'm sure to believe in its ability to actually do something. I understand this is a very pro-vaccine forum but not everybody who is resistant to putting it in their body is just "fuck this it ain't even a real thing"-mode. Some people would rather have the freedom to make their own mistakes, if it turns out to be that. I will die in my home, don't worry about hospital overload No need to be hateful, I'm not injuring you or your communities (nor mine,) I just happen to disagree with a lot of you."I don't associate with x" is a line that should be giving you red flags. Saying now that you will associate with 2 or 3 people is different than saying you don't associate with them. You've got to admit that the very next question people are going to ask you is if you had the choice to take them now would you take those vaccines they mandated for you as a kid or would chose to have your child vaccinated for those diseases? Also its not just "freedom to make their own mistakes" when it effects the lives of people around them. We don't allow people to drive unsafe cares nor do we allow people to drive cars unsafe. We don't allow people to build unsafe houses or live in unsafe houses. We don't allow people to have the freedom to buy whatever food they want in whatever condition they want. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4438 Posts
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6552374 Quebec will offer 5th dose of COVID-19 vaccine to all adults as of Aug. 29 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands4015 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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[GS]PLACiD
Belgium33 Posts
Not sure if there’s an actual article in the open, I just happen to work for one of the big pharma and one of our researchers who knows way more than I ever will about stuff like this told us about the overreaction of the body being responsible for the vast majority of deaths. Personally I’m done with those boosters since the variants we face now are a farcry from what we were first exposed to. They suspect I had covid like the week before I went and got my booster and was stuck in bed for like a week after the shot. They always asked if you were ill the days before you take the shot and all I noticed was a very mild headache (over 90% of headaches come from dehydration) so I was like nope, because I didn’t think much of the headache. On a sidenote I’ve been walking around with severe headaches for the last 2 weeks, started getting really bad yesterday and vomiting and now I called the doc and he was like get to the emergency room like right now for a CT. On my way rn User was banned for this post. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
I figure I get a shot in October, regardless of what's available, but given that Health Canada's looking at the bivalent already, there's a fair chance that it'll be out, given that UK's already deploying it now. | ||
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[GS]PLACiD
Belgium33 Posts
On August 19 2022 01:35 Lmui wrote: I'm just waiting for the Omicron booster. I've had 3 shots, and covid after that point, so I'm not desperate for a fourth OG shot right now, even if it does boost protection a bit. I figure I get a shot in October, regardless of what's available, but given that Health Canada's looking at the bivalent already, there's a fair chance that it'll be out, given that UK's already deploying it now. In Belgium it should be around September. Just returned from the emergency room, scan was fine but they did find traces of covid so I should’ve had it recently without even noticing it and it COULD be that all my symptoms now could be because of the infection, which I honestly doubt. Especially when they advise you to keep your appointment with a neurologist. So basically they had no clue. Yay | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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