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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control. It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you. Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly. This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here. Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On August 01 2022 01:57 Gorsameth wrote: I might just be entirely out of the loop, but is there even a booster mandate anywhere? Is any government saying "you must get a booster every X months or else"? Yes several states according to google. Haven’t looked at other countries. Honestly think there is more justification for mandates than include boosters than just the 2 shot series because very few people have any protection left from the 2 shots vs omicron so at least a booster mandate might do a bit in the area of “protecting others” | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45051 Posts
On August 01 2022 06:31 JimmiC wrote: Mind being a gentleman and posting your source so others do not have to and perhaps not find the same ones? I was able to find a list of seven states that mandated boosters only for healthcare workers: https://leadingage.org/workforce/vaccine-mandates-state-who-who-isnt-and-how That list was created back in January; perhaps BlackJack found more states, or more groups of people / types of workers who have to follow state mandates of boosters? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
We're at almost 25 000 cases and still no signs of slowing down. https://gizmodo.com/first-monkeypox-deaths-spain-brazil-india-1849355111 | ||
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Zambrah
United States7384 Posts
I hope monkeypox isn’t particularly contagious or I imagine it’ll spread through schools like god damned wildfire. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On August 01 2022 02:08 JimmiC wrote: So far the evil democracies are just offering it free of charge for those who want more protection. Me and nettles have a large ban bet that australia wont force multiple boosters by the end of the year, I guess we will see but im feeling pretty confident. They already mandated the third injection for 75% of occupations where I live.So depending on your meaning of force, sure you could say no but it would mean losing your job and thus house if you have a mortgage and not being able to find another job.I know plenty who didn’t want to take it but did in the end. https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/mark-mcgowan-press-conference-third-vaccine-dose-made-mandatory-for-wa-workers-hard-border-goes-up-c-5049845.amp More than a million WA workers will have to roll up for a third covid-19 jab to keep their jobs, Premier Mark McGowan has announced, under one of the world’s first booster mandate. All workers covered under existing jab mandates — Roughly 1.1 million people — will now be required to get a booster shot within a month of becoming eligible. This cohort makes up 75 per cent of WA’s workforce. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
They’ll try ramp up the fear for the rollout of the omicron specific jab over the next couple months to boost uptake but those tactics are becoming less and less effective.Masks are still mandated on public transport but compliance is well below 50%. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11632 Posts
On August 04 2022 17:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yes those policies covering 75% of all employees for third jab were in place from last December until June.Government has extended the state of emergency into next year so any restrictions could be brought back at any time but doubtful the public support is there anymore.More and more have had covid and realised for the vast majority of people it’s a nothingburger. They’ll try ramp up the fear for the rollout of the omicron specific jab over the next couple months to boost uptake but those tactics are becoming less and less effective.Masks are still mandated on public transport but compliance is well below 50%. What i never understand from your position is what the motivations of the actors in your world are. Why do "they" want to "ramp up fear" to get more people vaccinated? What do "they" get from that, except more people with better protection against a virus. Or, in your world, where the vaccinations don't really work, what do "they" gain there? And why does this giant conspiracy of "they" work together for that gain? And how do the "they" keep the conspirators under control so that none of "them" ever defects? | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Someone has to use them to justify this little expense... "good" that "they" also want to change rules from October onwards, that the "vaccinated status" is reduced to 3 months! | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On August 04 2022 17:57 Simberto wrote: What i never understand from your position is what the motivations of the actors in your world are. Why do "they" want to "ramp up fear" to get more people vaccinated? What do "they" get from that, except more people with better protection against a virus. Or, in your world, where the vaccinations don't really work, what do "they" gain there? And why does this giant conspiracy of "they" work together for that gain? And how do the "they" keep the conspirators under control so that none of "them" ever defects? Are you aware of the stock market? The easy money machine. As long as we will hear talk about vaccines of covid from the government we will have a soaring Pharma market. *cough* Pfizer *cough*. Once it stops it will crash hard but at that time the big guys already earned their money from fear. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11632 Posts
This has to be the most convoluted plan for that that i have ever heard off. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26041 Posts
On August 04 2022 19:38 Simberto wrote: Seriously? That is the best you can come up with? "Make some money on the stock market"? This has to be the most convoluted plan for that that i have ever heard off. Not to mention people you know, hold stocks in all sorts of other businesses. Crippling whole sectors of the economy with lockdown measures and travel restrictions, for the sake of a handful of pharmaceutical companies grossly underplays the influence of everybody else and overplays that of big pharma. That said, since when did theories have to make any kind of sense? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
2) Illness from Omicron is less severe and also significantly shorter than from Delta "According to the researchers, the difference was less prevalent among study participants who had received only two doses of vaccine (9.6 days vs. 8.3 days) and more prevalent among individuals who had received three doses of vaccine (7.7 days vs. 4.4 days)." Boosted individuals appear to recover several days faster. https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20220408/duration-of-symptoms-shorter-with-omicron-appbased-data-show Getting a booster only rarely results in even one day's worth of productivity lost, as opposed to infection in unboosted individuals which often costs several additional days. The data is very clearly in favor of boosters. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On August 04 2022 19:24 Geisterkarle wrote: Well, here in Germany government invested over 800 million EUR in an order for new vaccines! Someone has to use them to justify this little expense... "good" that "they" also want to change rules from October onwards, that the "vaccinated status" is reduced to 3 months! How dare a gov stockpiles on vaccines as yet another wave washes over us Stop watching b movies and use whats left of your brain before it ends up completly rotten Theyre all in on it, have been for the past 2years, and yet nothing leaked (except the shitty yt link that you probably have). Theyre so powerful, control everything and yet little old you figured it out. Congrats | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
There are a _lot_ of people out there that are not "in" there, but "using" it! And I actually don't mean to control anyone or something. But for personal gain! Yes, also on government level! for example: here in Germany quite a few politicians made "deals" to get masks (completely overpriced of course) and got "compensated" for their help. > https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/maskendeals-sauter-und-nuesslein-duerfen-hohe-provisionen-behalten,TBNHpmv (German) Here an example of two politicians that basically showed how flawed our laws are, because the may keep the money for "their help". We are talking 1,2 million and 600k here! Always good to get the dirty money in a crisis, right? Or on lower level > https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/massenhaft-falsche-rechnungen-in-testzentren-justiz-prueft-untreue-verdacht-gegen-den-vorstand-der-berliner-kassenaerzte/28442366.html (German) A "classic" here. A lot of test-centers (to do antigen-tests) are "illegal" or not putting up the real numbers of test they do; because the get comensated by number. In this article 400 lawsuits are mentioned and that maybe 25%(!) of all test centers in Berlin probably sent "wrong" numbers! (they extrapolate it to Germany and estimate 10 billion in criminal hands!) Yeah, the vax doses are "legal"; but imho it is basically thrown out money! Next to Covid we have a war on our doorsteps and infaltion and economy and energy crisis. But "we" are paying for it; no problem. So you have to justify such a massive investment. And seriously: If we would not have those rules upcoming, it would be even less people getting their shot. But even with them: Call me in a year, I will show you the article that mentioned that we threw away at least 10mio dosages, because nobody is using them! Would have been the easiest money to save ever! | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
Like we know you were educated on fascist propaganda yet you're regurgitating the simple "they're super coordinated and powerful" like they're keeping everything a super secret with this vast conspiracy but also "they're super weak and dumb" with the fact that there is no evidence of a conspiracy and logic would show for you if you thought for a second that they would make a lot more money if they didn't go through with a giant plague hurting the economy. I shouldn't have to explain fascism to a German. | ||
zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
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