EPTI'm a bit confused with all the wild theories.
I rather have vaxx mandates than a lockdown (if it is either / or) and I'm pretty sure the economic side of things would rather pay for a few doses of pfizer than close doors again
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Harris1st
Germany6995 Posts
I'm a bit confused with all the wild theories. I rather have vaxx mandates than a lockdown (if it is either / or) and I'm pretty sure the economic side of things would rather pay for a few doses of pfizer than close doors again | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On August 04 2022 19:24 Geisterkarle wrote: Well, here in Germany government invested over 800 million EUR in an order for new vaccines! Someone has to use them to justify this little expense... "good" that "they" also want to change rules from October onwards, that the "vaccinated status" is reduced to 3 months! A cynical person may suggest that with winter approaching and obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany over inflation, energy shortages and economic issues that the government could use restrictions and lockdowns to lessen the unrest. Worked well in Hong Kong for the CCP at the start of Covid. Or maybe Putin will switch the gas back on during winter.Lets hope so. What i never understand from your position is what the motivations of the actors in your world are. Why do "they" want to "ramp up fear" to get more people vaccinated? What do "they" get from that, except more people with better protection against a virus. Or, in your world, where the vaccinations don't really work, what do "they" gain there? And why does this giant conspiracy of "they" work together for that gain? And how do the "they" keep the conspirators under control so that none of "them" ever defects? I thought we went over this years ago? The pandemic and the crazy lockdowns accelerated the wealth transfer to the wealthiest individuals away from the middle and poorer class.Whilst mom & pop stores were forced to close due to lockdowns big box stores were deemed essential.Amazon did record business. Pfizer obviously made tens of billions from the jab rollout, Heck they’re still making money on the fifth shot (recommended for some now in this country) of the original formulation from over 18 months ago. What do they gain in a world where the vaccines don’t work? What do they gain if the first jab actually provided complete immunity and lifelong protection? Recommending or mandating boosters every 3 months hardly suggests a great vaccine, but it is great for profit. Every single outcome has been the one most beneficial for profit - No legal liability for damages.Initial dose increased from one to two jabs.Boosters announced, then duration between them reduced from 6 months to three.Mandatory vaccines to keep your job.Initial dose for babies under 5 increased from 2 doses to three doses.Continuing to use the same adult formulation for well over 18 months. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
Time for them to scrap this crazy rule that requires boosters every three months to be classed as fully vaccinated. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On August 05 2022 21:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: A cynical person may suggest that with winter approaching and obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany over inflation, energy shortages and economic issues that the government could use restrictions and lockdowns to lessen the unrest. Worked well in Hong Kong for the CCP at the start of Covid. Or maybe Putin will switch the gas back on during winter.Lets hope so. Obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany? Maybe someone like geisterkarle will riot but fortunately there are not THAT many people sharing his political stances. And they are complaining all the time anyways. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On August 05 2022 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: He is arguing under the assmption that Russia shutting off the gas would mean Germans will be freezing in their homes this winter, which is just strait bullshit. Germany will have no problem supplying civilian homes with gas, industry might suffer and have to deal with some shortages but homes will absolutely not.Obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany? Maybe someone like geisterkarle will riot but fortunately there are not THAT many people sharing his political stances. And they are complaining all the time anyways. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11632 Posts
On August 05 2022 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: Obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany? Maybe someone like geisterkarle will riot but fortunately there are not THAT many people sharing his political stances. And they are complaining all the time anyways. Yeah, i would also dissent here. There will be protests. There are always protests, and the last few years have shown that there is a significant amount of insane people who will protest against basically anything sensible (Querdenker), without a clear idea of what they actually want. There are also some amount of rightwing extremists who shmooze up with those generally dissatisfied people who will protests against anything. I wonder how the cash flow of those groups has evolved nowadays with Russia being busy and under sanctions. And yeah, there will be people who are angry about the prices for gasoline and natural gas. But large-scale riots? I doubt it. I hope that the majority of people are sensible enough to realize that standing up against an autocrats war of aggression is worth some slight inconveniences. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On August 05 2022 22:41 JimmiC wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about? I never said "they" should do lockdowns, it would not make sense at current hospital levels. And "they" do not exist. It certainly does not make the stupid conspiracy shit above remotely intelligent. Hospital levels will increase when it is winter, that’s how it is.How it’s always been.Could even be worse this year with the energy crisis. It’s summer there now. Germany will have no problem supplying civilian homes with gas, industry might suffer and have to deal with some shortages but homes will absolutely not. And I previously posted in Ukraine thread that consumer gas prices in Germany may ‘at least triple’ due to reduction in supply.Many people will not be able to afford to heat homes over winter, this will obviously have an impact on deaths, illness and civil unrest. https://amp.dw.com/en/germany-consumers-can-expect-heating-bills-to-at-least-triple/a-62466158 "For those now receiving their heating bill, the payments are already doubling — and that is before taking into account the Ukraine war," Federal Network Agency chief Klaus Müller told Germany's RND news outlet. "From 2023, customers must prepare for bills to at least triple," he said, adding that market prices were increasing sevenfold in some cases | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On August 05 2022 22:58 Gorsameth wrote: He is arguing under the assmption that Russia shutting off the gas would mean Germans will be freezing in their homes this winter, which is just strait bullshit. Germany will have no problem supplying civilian homes with gas, industry might suffer and have to deal with some shortages but homes will absolutely not. I know. But as you said - it is bullshit. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On August 05 2022 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: Obvious riots and social unrest brewing in Germany? Maybe someone like geisterkarle will riot but fortunately there are not THAT many people sharing his political stances. And they are complaining all the time anyways. Thank you of knowing me .... _not_! I never said anything about riots! btw. old saying: in Germany will be no revolution, because you would have to step on the field with the "do not step on the grass" sign! ... I was just stating facts: Most people don't care about Covid anymore! They go to concerts, events, discos, ... without masks and distances and anything. There is no majority for mask mandats, vaccination status or even lockdowns. The world has other problems! Because you write about "my political stance". What political stance would be the newspaper "Der Spiegel"? Is it a hottub for rightwing idiots? Because here the entry when the new "winter rules" were released: > https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/corona-entwurf-fuer-infektionsschutzgesetz-sieht-maskenpflicht-in-innenraeumen-vor-a-3cd4fef8-3c7a-442c-a72e-c22745d0418a on the bottom, click on "Diskutieren sie mit" and look at the comments. Try to find someone, that supports the restrictions ... and not getting downvoted! And because "winter": This is a very discussed topic. "Is covid seasonal?" Scott Alexander is looking at it here > https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/diseasonality (and maybe check this out for "winter deaths": https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/chilling-effects) Conclusion: "Don't know... maybe?" For my money, it is not. Or someone explain to me, why the last big spike for (example) Argentina was in January? > https://www.dkriesel.com/_media/coronaplot-argentina.png (Argentina is southern hemisphere; so that was the top of summer for them!) I think it is a "new strain seasonal" disease. Is there a strain going around that seems to replace the current Omikron-BA5? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
And I followed UK politics. You are stating feelings. And that's fine. Feelings are important. But you're far from somehow substantiating your anecdotes to establish them as facts. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On August 09 2022 01:19 Artisreal wrote: Basing public policy on a commentary section is the most fucked up stupid idea I've heard all year. And I followed UK politics. You are stating feelings. And that's fine. Feelings are important. But you're far from somehow substantiating your anecdotes to establish them as facts. Indeed. A public commentary section on the internet is hardly representative of the whole population. They tend to act as a magnet for very special people while the majority pays 0 attention to them and does not actively post there. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
Go to the same website, search for an Covid article about a year ago and look at the comments: Back then "all" were in favor of masks, vaccinations, test etc. You would have loooooved those public comments and said "See, you stupid unvaxxed! The peple have spoken!" But if don't trust the internetz: Go outside! (you know, this crazy place with sun and other people!) Go to a concert, a festival see what is happening there! Wacken was this weekend; I'm not sure anyone of those 75000 masked up; aside from some kinks or costumes maybe  | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On August 09 2022 14:43 Geisterkarle wrote: Are you sure about that? Go to the same website, search for an Covid article about a year ago and look at the comments: Back then "all" were in favor of masks, vaccinations, test etc. You would have loooooved those public comments and said "See, you stupid unvaxxed! The peple have spoken!" But if don't trust the internetz: Go outside! (you know, this crazy place with sun and other people!) Go to a concert, a festival see what is happening there! Wacken was this weekend; I'm not sure anyone of those 75000 masked up; aside from some kinks or costumes maybe Your point being? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 09 2022 14:43 Geisterkarle wrote: Are you sure about that? Go to the same website, search for an Covid article about a year ago and look at the comments: Back then "all" were in favor of masks, vaccinations, test etc. You would have loooooved those public comments and said "See, you stupid unvaxxed! The peple have spoken!" But if don't trust the internetz: Go outside! (you know, this crazy place with sun and other people!) Go to a concert, a festival see what is happening there! Wacken was this weekend; I'm not sure anyone of those 75000 masked up; aside from some kinks or costumes maybe I don't know for certain, but I suspect you're projecting real hard here. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
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Symplectos
Luxembourg42 Posts
I'd prefer my body to adapt the same way it has for every other common illness. Other common illnesses, such as Hepatitis, Diphteria, Tetanus, Polio, Pneumos, Measles, Mumps or even Influenza? | ||
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