Coronavirus and You - Page 619

On August 19 2022 05:56 JimmiC wrote:

Congratulations, I did not think you could get be more of a jerk or more ignorant but you really outdid yourself with this post! Did it have any point other than to be a dick to people sharing their experiences and thoughts.

On August 19 2022 15:38 BlackJack wrote:


The story has been unchanged for over a year now. The problem is that you and a lot of people in this thread are simply incapable of differentiating between the two sentences "You should get a vaccine" and "You should have to get a vaccine." So whenever I challenge the second sentence you take it as a criticism of the first sentence.

The reason it probably seems like I am constantly criticizing the vaccines is because people like you post ridiculous claims like if we all got vaccinated COVID would be almost non-existent and the unvaccinated are to blame for all our problems yadda yadda. If you would stop spreading misinformation like this I would be able to stop posting the opposite, e.g. that the vaccines offer almost no protection against Omicron infection after only a few months.

Also like 3 people in this thread just said they are in no rush to get a 4th shot when it comes out so I think maybe you should show some consistency and call them out for not trusting the boosters.

On August 19 2022 16:37 Sermokala wrote:

See you keep doing it. Criticism of the second is criticism of the first. If you understand what a vaccine is you would understand why it needs to be required so people can be safer. But you keep arguing like you don't understand what a vaccine is. So it just makes us question why you would claim to have put something in your body you didn't decide to understand. Either the vaccine is good and it would make people safer or it's bad and making people get it is bad.

But if we all got vaccinated it wouldn't be an issue. That's what the numbers say not us. The unvaccinated are the ones getting sick enough to fill up hospitals that's not us saying it it's the basic facts and logic saying it.

Are they saying that they won't get a booster because they don't trust the boosters like you? You don't have consistency with what's being said not other people. You are the one that keeps trying to tell people the vaccine doesn't work and that people shouldn't get them.

On August 19 2022 16:34 Elroi wrote:

Well, you're systematically mean and snide to people you disagree with too. I also find it rich that you call people ignorant all the time, since you have fallen for so many overblown and obviously scaremongering theories about corona since day 1, for example:
- we need to cancel society for a month and this will all be over with
- just take the vaccine and the disease will disappear
- corona is dangerous to young and healthy people
- schools and kindergartens should be closed
- long covid is extremely dangerous, we don't know how dangerous so we need to cancel society.
etc.
- the only reason anyone would question this is that they are evil and hate science.

On August 19 2022 16:45 BlackJack wrote:


So your belief is that if someone doesn't agree with vaccine mandates it means they don't know what a vaccine is? Jesus, whatever lol.



If you can find a single quote where I said I won't get a booster because I don't trust the boosters or where I have said that the vaccine doesn't work and people shouldn't get it, I'll volunteer for a 3 month self-ban. Until then you can stop with the lies that you've invented in your head.

On August 19 2022 16:48 Sermokala wrote:

Yes. If they knew what a vaccine was they would understand the vaccine mandate. There isn't a moral or logical argument against them if they know and understand the facts.

Alright bet it was a few pages ago but I'll fire up my computer and quote you if you need it.

On August 19 2022 15:38 BlackJack wrote:

the vaccines offer almost no protection against Omicron infection after only a few months.

On July 30 2022 06:53 BlackJack wrote:

The fact that the COVID vaccines don’t even function as traditional vaccines do ie they don’t grant you immunity and don’t stop you from getting COVID and spreading it to others makes this analogy even more apt.

So that begs the question. Do you think we should coerce people to take Paxlovid if they are diagnosed with COVID? Maybe tell them they will be financially responsible for the excess burden they are placing on the system? You want to live in a world where people can tell you to open your mouth and swallow what they put in there?

I’m sure you’ll tell me this is totally different and not the same at all before you go on to compare the COVID vaccines to seatbelts

On July 30 2022 03:25 BlackJack wrote:



How much safer do you think you are with vaccine mandates? Most people happily got vaccinated voluntarily. Another group refuses the vaccine no matter what you threaten them with. Studies on the mandates show they boost a populations coverage by roughly 10%. That’s not 10% fewer people that will infect you because we know COVID is still spreading like wildfire in heavily vaccinated populations. So you might have some small fraction of that already small fraction less likely to give you COVID with your vaccine mandates. Those 10% are also not equally likely to give me COVID. Most people get COVID through close contact with friends and family. Almost everyone in my inner circle is triple vaccinated. I’m far more likely to get it from one of them than from an unvaxxed stranger.

So yeah as an already triple vaxxed healthy adult my odds of becoming severely ill or dying of COVID are already super rare. Maybe 1 in a million. The odds that I get COVID from one of the unvaxxed strangers that would have been swayed to get vaccinated due to mandates but also wouldn’t have been a breakthrough case anyway is beyond remote. At the end of the day I’m probably 0.00001% less likely to die thanks to vaccine mandates. Even if you’re 1,000 more likely to die of COVID than me it’s still pretty marginal. Most people here seem to understand this simple estimation which is why they have long moved on this “threat to others” argument towards “taxpayer money” or “strain on the system” arguments.

On July 27 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:

But it does mean that the places in the world that still require vaccine passports for a vaccine that does very little to stop you from catching and spreading COVID are completely devoid of rational thought.

On March 05 2022 05:22 BlackJack wrote:



Another bad idea that gets propagated in this thread is this eye-rolling false equivalency that we already mandate vaccines for school children so the COVID vaccine is no different. Yeah most of the stuff we vaccinate children for has a reasonable chance to kill them and the vaccines often offer a lifetime of immunity. We don't vaccinate healthy children against a disease that has a 0.00001% chance to kill them with a vaccine that offers them immunity for a handful of weeks. In fact it's quite obvious people are arguing in bad faith because if they wanted to use a more apt comparison they would just compare it to the flu vaccine but they obviously don't do that because, surprise, the flu-vaccine is not required to attend public school.

On March 04 2022 05:17 BlackJack wrote:


There are plenty of "cons." Vaccine-induced myocarditis, having to get poked with a needle, the time off off work for parents to take their children to get vaccinated, any other side effects from the vaccine, e.g. fever, body aches, sore arm, etc.

What do you think the cons are? Because based on your analogy you seem to be implying that you think there aren't any cons which would be pure delusion.

On August 19 2022 16:45 Sermokala wrote:

Those things were proven true tho...

We needed to cancel society so hospitals didn't collapse, they then didn't collapse.
If you got the vaccine you were told you were much more likely to survive it until the disease would effectively go away, for those that did get vaccinated its not a big deal anymore.
It was killing young and healthy people, it did kill young and healthy people.
Seeing how children are disease vectors they needed to be closed to dampen those vectors, covid ended up going back down.
Long covid is really scary and dangerous. Lots of things resulting from covid have been discovered and it's a swath of smell related issues from brain damage to warped organs leading to impotence or destroyed lungs.
You either understand the information given and you want more suffering for no reason or you don't understand it and you don't trust facts logic or science. There isn't really a justification for being anti vax that doesn't end up being evil

Although COVID-19 booster vaccinations in adults elicit high levels of neutralizing antibodies against the Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, antibody levels decrease substantially within 3 months, according to new clinical trial data.

No effect against the omicron variant was noted from 20 weeks after two ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 doses, whereas vaccine effectiveness after two BNT162b2 doses was 65.5% at 2 to 4 weeks, dropping to 8.8% at 25 or more weeks.

But protection waned to around 10% after only 4–6 months, meaning that the vaccines prevented only 10% of the cases that would have occurred if all of the individuals had been unvaccinated.

Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna (MRNA.O), efficacy against symptomatic infection from Omicron is only about 30%, down from about 87% versus Delta, they reported on Sunday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. Protection against symptomatic infection is "essentially eliminated" for individuals vaccinated more than four months earlier.

So yeah as an already triple vaxxed healthy adult my odds of becoming severely ill or dying of COVID are already super rare.

On August 19 2022 23:27 RKC wrote:
According to science, being vaccinated and boosted doesn't prevent a person from being infected by COVID and infecting others. Whilst the risk is lower, the risk may also increase if the vaccinated person don't follow other SOPs and freely frolic around society (and more mischievously, don't isolate properly when infected).

We may not have the exact numbers of COVID transmission between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. But surely at this point of time where the vaccinated far outnumber the unvaccinated (at least where I am), it's evident that the vaccinated is also a cause in spreading the virus.

This is not about blame or responsibility. This is about cause and effect. How much you apportion blame and responsibility on people's behaviour - that's a question of morality that probably differs across different society.

Point is, being pro-vax doesn't necessarily make you a saint or immunise you from criticism.

P.S. Also, being 'pro-vax' in the sense of being quick to take the vaccine and boosters doesn't make one pro-science either. A lot of pro-vax friends simply took the jab to get out of restrictions, pursue their carefree lives, and end up being one of the first to fall ill to the virus.

Together, these studies suggest that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta have potential to be less infectious than infected unvaccinated people. However, more data are needed to understand how viral shedding and transmission from fully vaccinated persons are affected by SARS-CoV-2 variants, time since vaccination, and other factors, particularly as transmission dynamics may vary based on the extent of exposure to the infected vaccinated person and the setting in which the exposure occurs. Additional data collection and studies are underway to understand the extent and duration of transmissibility of Delta variant SARS-CoV-2 in the United States and other countries.

The risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus. Early data suggest infections in fully vaccinated persons are more commonly observed with the Delta variant than with other SARS-CoV-2 variants. However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes. Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed.

On August 19 2022 06:28 BlackJack wrote:


It's amazing how whenever I post on this forum no matter the time of day you are here to respond within 10 minutes of my posting. Even though I only respond to maybe 3% of your posts these days you still respond to 95%+ of my posts. I don't think anyone else responds to even 10% of my posts. I really thought you would have given up by now when you realized nobody even reads or replies to your posts directed at me. Maybe you just like talking to a wall even if nobody is reading your posts. Not sure why you're so desperate for me to engage with you. Hopefully you are getting something out of it, carry on.

On August 20 2022 01:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why are you saying bj is antiwax? His position, simplified, is 'the vaccines are so effective that vaccinated people don't have to fear covid, thus, now that everyone has had the option of getting vaccinated, we can live our lives just like we did precovid, and fuck the idiots who don't bother vaccinating'. You can maybe think this is heartless towards the immunocompromised or whatever but it's certainly not antivax. Then he also disregards the 'but what about spreading covid' argument because vaccinations offer very limited protection against being infected by omicron. That, again, is not antivax - it still offers good protection against severe illness.