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On April 02 2022 02:50 BlackJack wrote:
Spent a week in London and Paris. London to the average person is as if COVID never existed. Maybe 5 percent of people still wearing masks. Even shoulder to shoulder in the tube there is no mask wearing. Paris was similar except in the subway everyone still work masks. I’d imagine this is pretty standard for most of the world now but in my bubble in San Francisco where the indoor mask mandates were just ending and you still needed your vaccine pass to go out it was a nice getaway.
I'm in SF too and it is quite great to no longer have to wear a mask.
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Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them.
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Northern Ireland27462 Posts
On April 03 2022 06:20 Sermokala wrote:
Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them.
‘Hey we maybe don’t need masks now after two years of an evolving situation. That means we were right!’
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On April 03 2022 08:08 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2022 06:20 Sermokala wrote:
Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them. ‘Hey we maybe don’t need masks now after two years of an evolving situation. That means we were right!’
COVID is still killing a lot of people, it's as infectious as ever, and masks still help with preventing the spread. Not sure why you think we don't need masks now...
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On April 03 2022 06:20 Sermokala wrote:
Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them.
I do generally trust the Democratic local governments to be following the science and so if the mask mandate is lifted, there's a reason. In SF the vaccination rate is over 90 or 95% iirc. Granted the NYT has presented evidence that covid restrictions are only being lifted because of political focus groups democrats conducted in advance of the midterms (as I've posted in this thread). But if they're to be taken at their word there's some science behind this.
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On April 03 2022 09:23 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2022 08:08 WombaT wrote:On April 03 2022 06:20 Sermokala wrote:
Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them. ‘Hey we maybe don’t need masks now after two years of an evolving situation. That means we were right!’ COVID is still killing a lot of people, it's as infectious as ever, and masks still help with preventing the spread. Not sure why you think we don't need masks now...
I think WombaT was sarcastically mimicking Slydie from the end of last page, although I could be mistaken.
I also figured Sermokala was calling out Slydie 
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On April 03 2022 00:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2022 22:34 Artisreal wrote:
@DPB did you see any studies regarding the myocarditis risk when getting COVID being vaccinated? (Or having had COVID already for that matter.)
Our most known epidemiologist, Mr Drosten, said that after triple vaccination and getting the rona three times, we can expect it to already be detected and fought when entering or mucosa.
Hence it'd be interesting to see how this works out with the risk (and long COVID as well). That would certainly be interesting! And no, I haven't.
Thanks, I'm keeping an eye out as well though honestly I struggle to properly understand medical papers on my own.
On April 03 2022 10:15 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2022 06:20 Sermokala wrote:
Its incredible to see people out themselves for never trying to figure out why we had the mandates after two years of having them.
I do generally trust the Democratic local governments to be following the science and so if the mask mandate is lifted, there's a reason. In SF the vaccination rate is over 90 or 95% iirc. Granted the NYT has presented evidence that covid restrictions are only being lifted because of political focus groups democrats conducted in advance of the midterms (as I've posted in this thread). But if they're to be taken at their word there's some science behind this.
oh boy let me tell you about this thing called climate change...
Though let's be real for a second. The governor of Florida has been democratically elected (though to be fair with the amount of gerrymandering even that's debatable) and has a proven track record of not following the science.
Your comment seems preposterously naive for you.
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On April 03 2022 22:56 BlackJack wrote:
Gerrymandering is a way to increase congressional seats by drawing district lines in a certain way. For example if you have 2 districts that are 60-40 for Democrat you could redraw the lines to create 1 heavily D district and 1 barely R district so each party gets a seat instead of 2 seats going to D. It doesn’t really apply in an election for Governor because district lines don’t matter since everyone in the state votes.
Thanks for the explanation, my mistake.
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Gerrymandering is a way to increase congressional seats by drawing district lines in a certain way. For example if you have 2 districts that are 60-40 for Democrat you could redraw the lines to create 1 heavily D district and 1 barely R district so each party gets a seat instead of 2 seats going to D. It doesn’t really apply in an election for Governor because district lines don’t matter since everyone in the state votes.
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I was actually referring to "Democratic" as in the US party.
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China seems to still be sticking with the zero covid policy, with Shanghai back in lockdown.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/03/covid-cases-rise-in-shanghai-as-millions-remain-in-lockdown
Covid-19 cases in China’s largest city of Shanghai have risen again as millions remain isolated at home under a sweeping lockdown.
Health officials on Sunday reported 438 confirmed cases detected over the previous 24 hours, along with 7,788 asymptomatic cases. Both figures were up slightly from the day before.
health workers wearing protective clothing in Shanghai
Shanghai begins locking down millions as China’s Covid cases surge
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While small by the standards of some countries, the daily case numbers are some of the largest since the virus was first detected in the central city of Wuhan in late 2019.
Shanghai with its 26 million people last week began a two-stage lockdown, with residents of the eastern Pudong section supposed to be allowed to leave their homes Friday, while their neighbours in the western Puxi section underwent their own four-day isolation period.
Despite that assurance, millions in Pudong continue to be confined to their homes amid complaints over food deliveries and the availability of medications and health services.
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On April 04 2022 02:38 Doc.Rivers wrote:
I was actually referring to "Democratic" as in the US party.
ha, my bad.
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On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again.
I don't know what you are doing with your mask but nobody I know had any of the problems you mentioned. The only exception beeing when you wear glasses and move from outdoor to indoor on a cold day...
I miss masks. Kinda afraid to go grocery shopping now and have the person behind me breath down my neck at the checkout again like it was before covid
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On April 04 2022 17:02 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote:My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again. I don't know what you are doing with your mask but nobody I know had any of the problems you mentioned. The only exception beeing when you wear glasses and move from outdoor to indoor on a cold day... I miss masks. Kinda afraid to go grocery shopping now and have the person behind me breath down my neck at the checkout again like it was before covid
I have worked busy retail since day one of covid and all he says is as true as what you believe. You probably haven't worked a real physical job with one on, it sucks.
All the lost social interaction is also depressing along with communication loss.
Yes let's all just live in our pods in the metaverse now and get delivered food from door dash for the rest of our lives while we live in fear inside our sanitized bubbles. I'm just glad things are winding down it seems finally. I even got vaccinated and they still made us wear masks for over a year. It really keeps the crazies at home which is kinda nice though. Maybe some other people want to live in this mask world of conformity but I am not one of them.
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You should try wearing an n95 100% of the time while at work if you think a regular face mask is that much of a burden
@Harris1st, I think there are probably a lot of people that would benefit from some kind of therapy or counselling from dealing with the traumas of the pandemic. I mean that in a completely non-patronizing way. Although I'm not sure if you're legitimately afraid to go grocery shopping because someone might breathe on you or if you were just making some off-the-cuff comment about mask wearing.
A few weeks ago I went on a hike with some friends and after we went for pizza. One of our friend's boyfriend missed the hike but joined us for pizza but was insisting we all needed to eat outside. Most of us wanted to eat inside because it was cold and wet and gloomy outside and the outdoor seating had no heaters. Our friend and her boyfriend went to the side and talked with each other and she comes back and says "Okay guys... XYZ is going to try eating inside..." This is someone in their mid-20s with no medical conditions and is triple vaccinated. They also don't live with any immunocompromised or elderly people/family. They would re-apply their triple masks with an n95 and double mask over the top between each bite. I think there are quite a few people like this and I think they need counseling. This is not normal behavior.
@DPB I didn't get the impression that WombaT was being sarcastic. Either way there are a lot of people like this (you see it a lot on Reddit) that say things like "The Science says we no longer have to wear masks." It's quite funny to me. As I said, the science hasn't really changed here - COVID is still killing thousands and masks help with prevention. "The Science" hasn't said we can stop wearing masks. Just the people they listen to have said we can stop wearing masks. Some of the same people that thought anti-maskers were selfish assholes that were killing people now think it's okay to go maskless because they have "permission." They think they are more ethical but in reality they are just morons and hypocrites.
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On April 04 2022 23:58 bertolo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2022 17:02 Harris1st wrote:On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote:My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again. I don't know what you are doing with your mask but nobody I know had any of the problems you mentioned. The only exception beeing when you wear glasses and move from outdoor to indoor on a cold day... I miss masks. Kinda afraid to go grocery shopping now and have the person behind me breath down my neck at the checkout again like it was before covid I have worked busy retail since day one of covid and all he says is as true as what you believe. You probably haven't worked a real physical job with one on, it sucks. All the lost social interaction is also depressing along with communication loss. Yes let's all just live in our pods in the metaverse now and get delivered food from door dash for the rest of our lives while we live in fear inside our sanitized bubbles. I'm just glad things are winding down it seems finally. I even got vaccinated and they still made us wear masks for over a year. It really keeps the crazies at home which is kinda nice though. Maybe some other people want to live in this mask world of conformity but I am not one of them.
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Yes, only you had to support the awful burden of wearing a mask for hours in a row. You are truly a titan amongst men for surviving that long. Or really whiny.
I also wore a mask almost everyday for 10+ hours a day so give me a break thanks.
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On April 05 2022 01:31 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2022 23:58 bertolo wrote:On April 04 2022 17:02 Harris1st wrote:On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote:My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again. I don't know what you are doing with your mask but nobody I know had any of the problems you mentioned. The only exception beeing when you wear glasses and move from outdoor to indoor on a cold day... I miss masks. Kinda afraid to go grocery shopping now and have the person behind me breath down my neck at the checkout again like it was before covid I have worked busy retail since day one of covid and all he says is as true as what you believe. You probably haven't worked a real physical job with one on, it sucks. All the lost social interaction is also depressing along with communication loss. Yes let's all just live in our pods in the metaverse now and get delivered food from door dash for the rest of our lives while we live in fear inside our sanitized bubbles. I'm just glad things are winding down it seems finally. I even got vaccinated and they still made us wear masks for over a year. It really keeps the crazies at home which is kinda nice though. Maybe some other people want to live in this mask world of conformity but I am not one of them. xd Yes, only you had to support the awful burden of wearing a mask for hours in a row. You are truly a titan amongst men for surviving that long. Or really whiny. I also wore a mask almost everyday for 10+ hours a day so give me a break thanks.
No need to measure dicks here, a lot of us had to wear masks at work. Some of us didn't mind, some of us hated every second of it. If you're doing a physical job then yes, a mask is probably going to be irritating, you'll probably have to wash your face if you sweat a lot, you'll probably enjoy the "fresh air" a lot more when you're able to take your mask off and breathe. These experiences shape how we as individuals feel when a mandate changes. Some people here seem relieved, and some people seem disgusted that people are relieved.
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If you find yourself crying about only having mild skin irritation during a pandemic that killed millions and left many more injured then yes, i have nothing but contempt for you.
What a traumatic experience it must have been...
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Norway28905 Posts
It's definitely the case that different people have different experiences wearing masks. Personally I'm very happy to be done with them. (Although also reasonably happy to put one on in the future if I need to be out in public while being symptomatic.)
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