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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 14 2022 09:11 GoTuNk! wrote: It's called human nature. People here (before covid) were routinely caught buying medical licences to miss work. No oversight inevitably leads to some sort of abuse. Wow, you're bringing another anecdote. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11787 Posts
Also, just to be sure, a lot of countries (in europe for example) already have rules in place where you can just call in sick. I can currently call in sick when i am sick, and only need to bring a doctors certificate if i am sick for 3 or more days. And there is no bullshit like limited "sick days" in place here in Germany. When you are sick, then you are sick. And you are expected to stay at home when sick. And somehow our country and our industry still works. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
And nevermind that overtime hours are almost as high in 2020 as the years before, that is 1.7 billion hours and half of that unpaid. Without taking into account that many many people were on furlough. Around 3ish millions of a total workforce of 45 million. Yes, abuse is going to be rampant. Bla bla. | ||
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lestye
United States4206 Posts
And yeah, I'd rather some undeserving people get that support, rather than that support not being there for people who actually need it. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 14 2022 20:38 Artisreal wrote: Nevermind that we get paid full wages up to 6 weeks when ill. And nevermind that overtime hours are almost as high in 2020 as the years before, that is 1.7 billion hours and half of that unpaid. Without taking into account that many many people were on furlough. Around 3ish millions of a total workforce of 45 million. Yes, abuse is going to be rampant. Bla bla. I think the view that sick days get abused is pretty exclusive to the USA. I think I have 20 vacation, 2 floater, and 10 sick days. Previous company was unlimited sick days (with limits as to how long you could be out consecutively before requiring doctors notes/Short term disability etc). It requires a culture of trust, but if you can trust employees to do their job independently, it empowers managers to manage people/careers, and enable productivity rather than micromanaging. | ||
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lasncf
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ZoeHansen
United States5 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
E: wait, you're a bot | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Although minimum of a negative test is required, nobody checked on any flight. I think we got 5 high risk encounter warnings on the day of the return flight. One could infer that many people travel regardless of whether they're with COVID or not, though I have to say that hardly anyone was coughing on the plane, meaning many of them could have been asymptomatic. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
The "irresponsibility" is slowly gaining ground, finally! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45430 Posts
 The following two things are already well-documented, but there have recently been even more evidence showing that (1) ivermectin isn't effective against covid, and (2) the risk of myocarditis and other heart conditions is higher from covid than from the covid vaccine. (1) https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089809588/ivermectin-covid-treatment-brazil-study (2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Our most known epidemiologist, Mr Drosten, said that after triple vaccination and getting the rona three times, we can expect it to already be detected and fought when entering or mucosa. Hence it'd be interesting to see how this works out with the risk (and long COVID as well). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45430 Posts
On April 02 2022 22:34 Artisreal wrote: @DPB did you see any studies regarding the myocarditis risk when getting COVID being vaccinated? (Or having had COVID already for that matter.) Our most known epidemiologist, Mr Drosten, said that after triple vaccination and getting the rona three times, we can expect it to already be detected and fought when entering or mucosa. Hence it'd be interesting to see how this works out with the risk (and long COVID as well). That would certainly be interesting! And no, I haven't. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45430 Posts
On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote: So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason. I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible. Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again. Wearing masks, especially N95s and KN95s, can significantly help reduce the spread of covid when in close quarters, which makes sense in schools, given how indoor social distancing (in classrooms, hallways, etc.) is impossible. There are tons of good data on this, and thankfully, most students who are wearing masks around me, are wearing the very effective ones and wearing them properly. I have no idea what you're talking about with your other assertions - can't hear people, eye problems, etc. I've never experienced any of those, and I have no problem hearing my students, and being heard by my students. Also, I'm not really sure how something that covers your nose and mouth will give you eye issues. Is there any data to support these assertions of yours? And, finally, *not* wearing masks was the beginning of the political problem surrounding masks. Wearing masks was medical advice; not wearing masks was anti-scientific, political advice. In the United States, Republicans made it a point to deny the presence of covid for as long as possible, from resisting mask-wearing to resisting social distancing and resisting becoming vaccinated. Wearing masks has been medically recommended in many situations since the start of covid (not to mention the decades of good research before covid even existed, explaining that wearing masks can help reduce the spread of infection and help keep things clean and safe, hence why sick people have always worn masks, and why doctors/surgeons wear them too). It's April 2022, so I'm pretty surprised that there are still people skeptical of the idea that masks can help prevent infection. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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