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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 14 2022 00:40 GMT
#12001
On March 14 2022 09:11 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2022 07:41 Artisreal wrote:
On March 13 2022 04:58 Nick_54 wrote:
On March 12 2022 10:57 RKC wrote:
I'm all for more work flexibility. At the same time, I can understand why employers do not wish to set the bar too low for employees to 'get off sick' (whether to go on leave, miss important meetings, defer deadlines, etc). Yes, health is paramount. But too much leeway will result to abuse. Sure, some of us are honest hard-working drones. But there are others who will take advantage of every loophole and make a living hell for the rest of us at the workplace.


God forbid the employees get a small benefit if it's at the corporation's expense. Its not like a corporation would ever take a advantage of a loophole as far as their employees are concerned.

I mean, it's just talking points unless somehow substantiated.
To me, he's just venting his feelings, or fear, I don't know. Stating that as a fact without backing it up is where I simply won't follow the narrative and see no reason to engage further than asking for substantiation of said feelings.


It's called human nature. People here (before covid) were routinely caught buying medical licences to miss work. No oversight inevitably leads to some sort of abuse.

Wow, you're bringing another anecdote.
passive quaranstream fan
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12022 Posts
March 14 2022 08:50 GMT
#12002
On March 14 2022 09:40 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2022 09:11 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 13 2022 07:41 Artisreal wrote:
On March 13 2022 04:58 Nick_54 wrote:
On March 12 2022 10:57 RKC wrote:
I'm all for more work flexibility. At the same time, I can understand why employers do not wish to set the bar too low for employees to 'get off sick' (whether to go on leave, miss important meetings, defer deadlines, etc). Yes, health is paramount. But too much leeway will result to abuse. Sure, some of us are honest hard-working drones. But there are others who will take advantage of every loophole and make a living hell for the rest of us at the workplace.


God forbid the employees get a small benefit if it's at the corporation's expense. Its not like a corporation would ever take a advantage of a loophole as far as their employees are concerned.

I mean, it's just talking points unless somehow substantiated.
To me, he's just venting his feelings, or fear, I don't know. Stating that as a fact without backing it up is where I simply won't follow the narrative and see no reason to engage further than asking for substantiation of said feelings.


It's called human nature. People here (before covid) were routinely caught buying medical licences to miss work. No oversight inevitably leads to some sort of abuse.

Wow, you're bringing another anecdote.


Also, just to be sure, a lot of countries (in europe for example) already have rules in place where you can just call in sick.

I can currently call in sick when i am sick, and only need to bring a doctors certificate if i am sick for 3 or more days. And there is no bullshit like limited "sick days" in place here in Germany. When you are sick, then you are sick. And you are expected to stay at home when sick.

And somehow our country and our industry still works.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 14 2022 11:38 GMT
#12003
Nevermind that we get paid full wages up to 6 weeks when ill.

And nevermind that overtime hours are almost as high in 2020 as the years before, that is 1.7 billion hours and half of that unpaid. Without taking into account that many many people were on furlough. Around 3ish millions of a total workforce of 45 million.

Yes, abuse is going to be rampant. Bla bla.
passive quaranstream fan
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 15:54:39
March 14 2022 15:54 GMT
#12004
This was kind of what we saw with the stimulus checks or PPP loans in the United States, a lot of institutions were walking on egg shells at the beginning rather than getting the money out there.

And yeah, I'd rather some undeserving people get that support, rather than that support not being there for people who actually need it.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-14 16:02:51
March 14 2022 16:02 GMT
#12005
On March 14 2022 20:38 Artisreal wrote:
Nevermind that we get paid full wages up to 6 weeks when ill.

And nevermind that overtime hours are almost as high in 2020 as the years before, that is 1.7 billion hours and half of that unpaid. Without taking into account that many many people were on furlough. Around 3ish millions of a total workforce of 45 million.

Yes, abuse is going to be rampant. Bla bla.


I think the view that sick days get abused is pretty exclusive to the USA. I think I have 20 vacation, 2 floater, and 10 sick days. Previous company was unlimited sick days (with limits as to how long you could be out consecutively before requiring doctors notes/Short term disability etc).

It requires a culture of trust, but if you can trust employees to do their job independently, it empowers managers to manage people/careers, and enable productivity rather than micromanaging.
lasncf
Profile Joined March 2022
7 Posts
March 15 2022 08:53 GMT
#12006
I got isolated for a week because 1 case were found on my plane back 7days after the landing..
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-19 18:18:47
March 19 2022 14:41 GMT
#12007
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ZoeHansen
Profile Joined March 2022
United States5 Posts
March 24 2022 19:00 GMT
#12008
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-24 19:04:48
March 24 2022 19:04 GMT
#12009
Nah, didn't have it either. But the wife had - don't ask me how I didn't catch it from her lol -, mother in law, father in law, lots of friends, they all had it.

E: wait, you're a bot
passive quaranstream fan
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 01 2022 17:50 GMT
#12010
Spent a week in London and Paris. London to the average person is as if COVID never existed. Maybe 5 percent of people still wearing masks. Even shoulder to shoulder in the tube there is no mask wearing. Paris was similar except in the subway everyone still work masks. I’d imagine this is pretty standard for most of the world now but in my bubble in San Francisco where the indoor mask mandates were just ending and you still needed your vaccine pass to go out it was a nice getaway.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 01 2022 18:56 GMT
#12011
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 02 2022 04:40 GMT
#12012
Only the United States required a negative test to travel into. Despite getting my negative test not a single person asked to see it. Not the gate agents or immigration. Never took it out of my bag. 66 euros to follow the stupid rules that aren’t even being enforced.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 02 2022 08:59 GMT
#12013
I've had the same experience traveling in Europe.
Although minimum of a negative test is required, nobody checked on any flight. I think we got 5 high risk encounter warnings on the day of the return flight. One could infer that many people travel regardless of whether they're with COVID or not, though I have to say that hardly anyone was coughing on the plane, meaning many of them could have been asymptomatic.
passive quaranstream fan
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2013 Posts
April 02 2022 09:02 GMT
#12014
No more facemask requirements for most international flight by Norwegian airlines.

The "irresponsibility" is slowly gaining ground, finally!
Buff the siegetank
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
April 02 2022 10:51 GMT
#12015
My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them

The following two things are already well-documented, but there have recently been even more evidence showing that (1) ivermectin isn't effective against covid, and (2) the risk of myocarditis and other heart conditions is higher from covid than from the covid vaccine.

(1) https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089809588/ivermectin-covid-treatment-brazil-study

(2) https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 02 2022 13:34 GMT
#12016
@DPB did you see any studies regarding the myocarditis risk when getting COVID being vaccinated? (Or having had COVID already for that matter.)

Our most known epidemiologist, Mr Drosten, said that after triple vaccination and getting the rona three times, we can expect it to already be detected and fought when entering or mucosa.
Hence it'd be interesting to see how this works out with the risk (and long COVID as well).
passive quaranstream fan
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
April 02 2022 15:08 GMT
#12017
On April 02 2022 22:34 Artisreal wrote:
@DPB did you see any studies regarding the myocarditis risk when getting COVID being vaccinated? (Or having had COVID already for that matter.)

Our most known epidemiologist, Mr Drosten, said that after triple vaccination and getting the rona three times, we can expect it to already be detected and fought when entering or mucosa.
Hence it'd be interesting to see how this works out with the risk (and long COVID as well).


That would certainly be interesting! And no, I haven't.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2013 Posts
April 02 2022 15:41 GMT
#12018
My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them


So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason.

I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible.

Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again.
Buff the siegetank
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-02 16:30:39
April 02 2022 16:17 GMT
#12019
On April 03 2022 00:41 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
My school lifted its mask mandate last Monday, yet 95% of my students still voluntarily wear one, just to be safe. Really proud of them


So, how much safer does it really make them, and are they in danger in the first place? The Scandinavians have stopped wearing them completely for a reason.

I think we have painted ourselves into a corner with COVID measures. Let's face it, regardless of how effective masks really are, they are absolutely awful! Just a little background noise, and you have no chance of hearing what people say. No smiles. Almost no facial expressions. They itch. They case skin and eye problems. Wearing them properly with the required hand hygiene is practically impossible.

Too bad wearing masks became such a political tool, now many will never considered it safe to show their face indoors with strangers again.


Wearing masks, especially N95s and KN95s, can significantly help reduce the spread of covid when in close quarters, which makes sense in schools, given how indoor social distancing (in classrooms, hallways, etc.) is impossible. There are tons of good data on this, and thankfully, most students who are wearing masks around me, are wearing the very effective ones and wearing them properly.

I have no idea what you're talking about with your other assertions - can't hear people, eye problems, etc. I've never experienced any of those, and I have no problem hearing my students, and being heard by my students. Also, I'm not really sure how something that covers your nose and mouth will give you eye issues. Is there any data to support these assertions of yours?

And, finally, *not* wearing masks was the beginning of the political problem surrounding masks. Wearing masks was medical advice; not wearing masks was anti-scientific, political advice. In the United States, Republicans made it a point to deny the presence of covid for as long as possible, from resisting mask-wearing to resisting social distancing and resisting becoming vaccinated. Wearing masks has been medically recommended in many situations since the start of covid (not to mention the decades of good research before covid even existed, explaining that wearing masks can help reduce the spread of infection and help keep things clean and safe, hence why sick people have always worn masks, and why doctors/surgeons wear them too). It's April 2022, so I'm pretty surprised that there are still people skeptical of the idea that masks can help prevent infection.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 02 2022 16:50 GMT
#12020
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