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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
In BC we've hit a tenuous herd immunity in Vancouver (dashboard link ). This is with public masking mandates, and vaccine passports for a number of activities. The threshold is around 95% of 12+ first dosed, 90% fully vaccinated. We're seeing a few cases, but they're slowly decreasing despite the metropolitan urban environment. Also, it's been pretty clear for the past few months (as visible from this page in the dashboard) https://public.tableau.com/shared/3P38SNMYS?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link If you're unvaccinated, you're ~9 more likely to be infected and ~50x more likely to wind up in the hospital. Being unvaccinated makes you a massive burden to society. | ||
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teeel141
93 Posts
How is that even possible? Is there some details missing? | ||
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RKC
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On November 19 2021 19:47 teeel141 wrote: Austria is making vaccination mandatory from february 1? www.euronews.com How is that even possible? Is there some details missing? What do you mean by "how?". Their government has the ability to do it (presumably it's not unconstitutional). What I'm curious about is what "mandatory" actually means, aka how will they enforce it. None of the news sources I saw touched on this. | ||
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teeel141
93 Posts
On November 19 2021 20:12 Sbrubbles wrote: What do you mean by "how?". Their government has the ability to do it (presumably it's not unconstitutional). What I'm curious about is what "mandatory" actually means, aka how will they enforce it. None of the news sources I saw touched on this. orf.at "Administrative penalties" Maybe it means a fine? | ||
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teeel141
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 19 2021 20:33 teeel141 wrote: This is honestly a disaster, mandating vaccines that wont even end the pandemic. Democracy is over if this is allowed to happen in europe. Mandating vaccines will end it regionally. Cases can and will be imported from both animals and from other countries. You need somewhere around 75-85% overall vaccinated on top of all the people catching Covid to fully reopen. So after all the people drag their feet and don't get dosed for one reason or another, and the pandemic has gone on for months and months longer than it should've, the government pulls out the stick. Democracy is the will of the people. Dunno about you, but here 90+% of people are tired of the small minority that has caused this to drag on for months longer than was really necessary. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4456 Posts
A fine, and jail time for those that don’t pay it.They may need a lot more prisoner facility space.Here in Australia they are building several quarantine facilities called ‘National Resilience Centres’ staffed by prison guards with dual barbed wire fencing, CCTV etc.Time will tell but considering fully vaccinated people can home quarantine and soon won’t need to at all and unvaccinated people can’t leave the country even the mainstream media is questioning why such capacity is needed. Don’t forget to take those continual mandatory boosters, or you’ll be classed as unvaxxed and fined/jailed. | ||
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teeel141
93 Posts
On November 19 2021 21:15 Amui wrote: Mandating vaccines will end it regionally. Cases can and will be imported from both animals and from other countries. You need somewhere around 75-85% overall vaccinated on top of all the people catching Covid to fully reopen. So after all the people drag their feet and don't get dosed for one reason or another, and the pandemic has gone on for months and months longer than it should've, the government pulls out the stick. Democracy is the will of the people. Dunno about you, but here 90+% of people are tired of the small minority that has caused this to drag on for months longer than was really necessary. This is not true at all. Herd immunity wouldnt happen even with 100% vaccination. | ||
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teeel141
93 Posts
On November 19 2021 21:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: A fine, and jail time for those that don’t pay it.They may need a lot more prisoner facility space.Here in Australia they are building several quarantine facilities called ‘National Resilience Centres’ staffed by prison guards with dual barbed wire fencing, CCTV etc.Time will tell but considering fully vaccinated people can home quarantine and soon won’t need to at all and unvaccinated people can’t leave the country even the mainstream media is questioning why such capacity is needed. Don’t forget to take those continual mandatory boosters, or you’ll be classed as unvaxxed and fined/jailed. And if you do pay the fine then what? Keep paying it? This video might be very relevant here and this part also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jSx4pRZqI&t=6534s | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
A full on mandate is certainly more then I would be entirely comfortable with but I get it tho. Netherlands tried to vaccinate the willing and then open up and we're fucked. Countries everywhere are trying to nudge the unvaccinated to get their shots because Delta is so bad that just counting on the willing isn't enough. There is something to be said for not wasting months and months with 'gently' applying pressure while everyone suffers through lockdowns and just going for a full mandate when that may well be what it will take in the end. And yes even at 100% vaccinated it won't be gone. But cases themselves is something we can deal with. The problem is healthcare overload. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On November 19 2021 22:50 BlackJack wrote: Probably something to do with the GIANT spike in deaths Florida had during the summer when everyone else sees a stark drop in deaths compared to last year.When you don't follow COVID news or this thread it's easy to forget that other places in the world are still dealing with being in and out of lockdowns and curfews and mandates. I just got back from Florida to see my parents. They just went through a big Delta wave in the Summer. Now they have the lowest transmission of COVID in the country. They also just posted record breaking tourism numbers for the 2nd straight quarter with more visitors than even in 2019. I'm surprised more people aren't a fan of their approach, especially since these other places still seem to be getting waves of cases anyway. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Not to mention that no one trusts Florida's numbers in the first place. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
No government should ever have the power to do this. This is a more important cause than ending the pandemic and saving lives in the present time. Recorded history shows why it's more important. There's a difference between mandating vaccines for healthcare professionals or for the general public. There's a difference between mandating masks for the general public or mandating vaccines for the general public. These things cannot be equated. Good intentions or not, this line should not be crossed. I'm appalled by the absolute incompetence of my government. THEY failed us, the people didn't fail us. THEY could've protected us from this virus, and THEY failed to do that. I've always said (and I still strongly believe this) that betting everything on lockdowns and vaccines is the wrong approach. There tends to be a link to the style of government, where "the more authoritarian the government, the more likely it is to have vaccination mandates". And it can't get more authoritarian than a general vaccine mandate. I will admit, I may well have been willfully blind. Maybe my government was always more authoritarian than I knew. But then I only find it all the more important to fight back against this mandate. I strictly do not wish to live under an authoritarian regime that has the power and the will to go this far. If you live in what you think is a free country (or has been up until now), you should fight back against this, regardless of your stance on the covid vaccines. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 19 2021 23:10 JimmiC wrote: This bold, any source on thid or your end of democracy comment? You do realize many democracies already have mandatory vaccines correct? I posted the state of flordias long list a while back and they have a "libretarian" in charge. Hes not considering changing that list. This is not just any vaccine mandate, it's a general vaccine mandate. It's for the general public. That kind of mandate is almost unheard of in a free country. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
I have no problem with vaccination mandares, so long as they don't involve: A) Force (aka, physically forcing people to vaccinate) B) Denial of public health services C) Denial of resources (food for homeless, for example) to the absolute poorest | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
And its super wild that people are saying that mandating a vaccine is the most authoritarian thing there is when we literally had china isolating a province through military force more than a year ago now. Some people just hate other humans and don't want to do the bare minimum to save them, Those other humans aren't happy with this and want to penalize the first people. this is completely allowed in democracy and is exactly what freedom looks like. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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