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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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wimpwimpwimp
171 Posts
On June 17 2020 23:46 warding wrote: Can anyone explain how Spain managed to bring down the 7-day average of cases down to something like 300 and deaths to 0? I mean it's quite unlike the other big western european countries like the UK, France, Germany and Italy. Are they just not reporting deaths anymore? It's hard to believe numbers suggesting daily deaths from the coronavirus in Spain jumped down from two- and three-digits throughout May to basically zero in June. I fear the reason may have to to with tourism, which accounts for more than twelve percent of GDP and employment. As many European nations are cautiously or not so cautiously opening themselves up for travellers from abroad, one would perhaps not want to present numbers that may scare away the tourists. (https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=estadistica_C&cid=1254736169169&menu=ultiDatos&idp=1254735576863) | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11944 Posts
On June 18 2020 18:16 zatic wrote: I doubt anyone from a meatpacking plant is in a Corona risk category. As long as they are identified, traced, and isolated this should not result in more deaths, certainly not in a "jump" in fatal cases. I wouldn't be that sure. At the point where the whole plant or large parts of it has been infected, as it seems to be the case here, a bunch of the people have already been home with their new infection and spread it further to their mothers and fathers, and other elderly people around. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On June 19 2020 00:13 Simberto wrote: I wouldn't be that sure. At the point where the whole plant or large parts of it has been infected, as it seems to be the case here, a bunch of the people have already been home with their new infection and spread it further to their mothers and fathers, and other elderly people around. Agreed. As with many places, it's not the workers, but those that they interact with that are at highest risk. Low skill, low pay jobs with higher infection risks also mean that they're more likely to be in multi-generation households which magnifies spread to vulnerable populations | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
... doesn't make it better! Living conditions are bad... Also, because I wrote that piece, I didn't mean a "jump" in deaths, but a jump in infection numbers! Because "everyone" wants to see them going down and some get crazy, if they go up again... | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
At the protests against racism here more and more people are starting to wear masks while at the first protests virtually noone did. It seems that it is slowly starting to be a sort of trendy,specially for younger people,to wear a mask even when it is not obligated. You are no longer the one "idiot" wearing a mask in a sea of people without masks. Which i guess is a good thing. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Freaky[x]
Canada995 Posts
On June 18 2020 20:28 wimpwimpwimp wrote: It's hard to believe numbers suggesting daily deaths from the coronavirus in Spain jumped down from two- and three-digits throughout May to basically zero in June. I fear the reason may have to to with tourism, which accounts for more than twelve percent of GDP and employment. As many European nations are cautiously or not so cautiously opening themselves up for travellers from abroad, one would perhaps not want to present numbers that may scare away the tourists. (https://www.ine.es/dyngs/INEbase/en/operacion.htm?c=estadistica_C&cid=1254736169169&menu=ultiDatos&idp=1254735576863) From what I understood, they changed the way they count the number of confirmed deaths from the virus. They are confirming death after a certain amount x (not sure how much). For example, if you look at the number of deaths yesterday and I don't know it say 10. Look at the same date 10 days after that, they will update the number of deaths. You should take a snapshot every day of the number of deaths for the last month and see the delta. I think the reason they did this was to reassure (falsely) the population. The UK adopted the same methodology and they got caught by their population for example. On June 21 2020 09:06 JimmiC wrote: I favor mask rules for the reason that you are speaking about. There is a ton of research on the process of social norming so once you hit the tipping point where it is more normal to wear than not wear you get the vast majority doing. When you make it a rule this process works faster, way way faster, than by trying to convince people in various ways. The other reason is that the cloth masks don't protect you from others but rather protect others from you. The people who care about others will make that choice but the people who make the "safe" choice are not rewarded for that behavior. And likely the people taking the most risks are also the most likely to not wear masks. I am really impressed with businesses requiring it because they are putting the safety of their staff over their short term profit as they may lose customers who are unwilling. I think they also gain customers depending on the social acceptance of the mask in the region ie a region that accepts masks more will be more happy to shop in that retailer versus one that doesn't. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
It is the only time I've actually wanted to have one of those N95 masks. I usually visit my parents in Florida once a year, and this seemed like better timing than earlier or later does (as a resurgence is likely). Not planning on doing anything outside of the house though. Basically , people in the us are just selfish assholes and I fully expect us to have a really bad rebound. I advise against travelling in the US. The airports were fine, airplane was not. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StalkerTL
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28875 Posts
So does the current increase in cases indicate that you're gonna go back to 2k+ deaths daily (from between 1000 and 350 for the past two weeks) or not? | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On June 21 2020 10:48 StalkerTL wrote: With America gaining like 33,000 cases, have we given up on containing the coronavirus? It seems like we’re going for herd immunity if Trump’s statements at his rally are anything to go by. More or less. The actual answer is that we never really tried, our government response was far too incompetent. The shutdown is a delaying strategy, not a containment strategy. All we did is slow down the spread through the population, there's no reason that it won't pick back up as people's behaviors and policies return back to normal. To "contain" a virus like this you need three things: 1) Sufficiently expansive testing to identify and predict where hot spots will occur before they get out of control. 2) A well developed contact-tracing and quarantining program to actively control local outbreaks. 3) Federal through local government policies that support future lockdowns in instances where testing and contact tracing fail to contain the spread. We maybe have part of 1, almost none of 2 and virtually no federal leadership on 3 going forwards. Therefore, if things keep going the way they are the virus will inevitably spread, and will only be slowed to the extent that people continue to social distance and protect themselves. I can tolerate a Trump supporter telling me that they don't really give a shit if 100s of thousands of people die, or if they argue that it doesn't matter to them. But I start bursting blood vessels any time a Trump supporter tries to pretend that he has in any way done a good job of managing this. It's fucking pathetic. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 21 2020 11:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: Did you stop counting deaths, or does the increase in new cases merely reflect increased testing? (I ask because cases was equally high for all of April, but the two week later stats for deaths is like 3x higher than it is now. ) So does the current increase in cases indicate that you're gonna go back to 2k+ deaths daily (from between 1000 and 350 for the past two weeks) or not? Overall testing has increased but the positive test rate has also been increasing over the past week which means that the cases are increasing faster than the testing in the us. Things are especially bad in Florida, Arizona, Texas, and California. Deaths from covid are still declining in the US for now, but given that deaths lag cases it's plausible that deaths might start trending upwards again. Most of the models seem to think that deaths will stay at the current rate, or slightly decline over the next few weeks though. The fatality rate is also lower now than it was earlier in the pandemic which likely means that it's mostly hitting younger people. So it's still a mixed bag of results, but the increase in cases over the past week has given a lot of reasons to be pessimistic for the future | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22492 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4434 Posts
On June 21 2020 10:48 StalkerTL wrote: With America gaining like 33,000 cases, have we given up on containing the coronavirus? It seems like we’re going for herd immunity if Trump’s statements at his rally are anything to go by. Best way to go, unless you want to cripple your economy by keeping borders shut until this thing is eliminated worldwide. Here in Australia they just announced no international travel until next year now.2021! Pretty huge. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11944 Posts
Also, opening your borders won't help you a lot if no one else wants to travel to your country or allow people from your country in because it is a diseased hellscape. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46247 Posts
On June 21 2020 10:48 StalkerTL wrote: With America gaining like 33,000 cases, have we given up on containing the coronavirus? It seems like we’re going for herd immunity if Trump’s statements at his rally are anything to go by. While "going for herd immunity" can be an intentional approach in general, in the US's case we definitely didn't/aren't going for that deliberate strategy. The increase in cases is due to the negligence of Trump's administration, some governors and mayors, and a sizable portion of the American public... Not because multiple waves and spikes and a high casualty count were all part of the ideal plan from the beginning. People still don't take it seriously enough. | ||
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